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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 19:37:45 GMT
We were told it would have to be sorted by August (start or end ?)so until September arrives with no news I don't see the problem.
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Post by aghast on May 23, 2017 19:41:44 GMT
I have posted previously to say that I understand that a deal was agreed for freehold of the land approx a month ago and this is was agreed at a meeting between UWE, SH, WA and the club solicitor on a Friday at UWE. This is from someone who I have known for a long time and who has a reason to know this rather than someone just picking up on gossip. This is also someone who has told me other things in the past which have been 100% spot on...I cannot say any more as I don't want to abuse this persons trust or stop receiving info in the future. I was told that all that is left to do is for money to change hands to acquire the land. There does seem to be a delay on an announcement but hoping that is more to do with paperwork being exchanged etc rather than a problem with funds! The club have recently paid around £1.5m for the training ground and will need to pay somewhere in the region of £4m to build it. The land at UWE could be circa £1m an acre and the build cost is more likely £55m to £60m not the £35m originally planned for. I really hope that it's not sudfennly hitting home how much money is required to get all these things off the ground as well as providing DC with a competitive budget. I have been and am sceptical Dave, but I take what you say in good faith and I hope my gloom and doom will be proved wrong.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 23, 2017 19:42:26 GMT
We were told it would have to be sorted by August (start or end ?)so until September arrives with no news I don't see the problem. The rose tinters won't then they wake up and eventually smell the coffee , I can take no news until late June but will fear the worse if we've heard nothing when the UWE starts winding down for the summer hols in early July.
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Post by dave1883gas on May 23, 2017 19:45:10 GMT
gasincider, the "time to tell us if UWE is going to happen" is when the parties see fit, NOT when you and your gossips want to know. absolutely right Based on what I am looking at 5 11v11 pitches (grass), two 11v11 pitches (3G), 4 7v7 pitches, 2 5v5 pitches, 12,000 sq ft club house, 112 space car park (6 disabled) and one of the 11v11 pitches has a 175 seater stand. I believe those have been tweaked slightly.
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Post by dave1883gas on May 23, 2017 19:46:21 GMT
gasincider, the "time to tell us if UWE is going to happen" is when the parties see fit, NOT when you and your gossips want to know. absolutely right Based on what I am looking at 5 11v11 pitches (grass), two 11v11 pitches (3G), 4 7v7 pitches, 2 5v5 pitches, 12,000 sq ft club house, 112 space car park (6 disabled) and one of the 11v11 pitches has a 175 seater stand. I believe those have been tweaked slightly.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 19:49:20 GMT
Based on what I am looking at 5 11v11 pitches (grass), two 11v11 pitches (3G), 4 7v7 pitches, 2 5v5 pitches, 12,000 sq ft club house, 112 space car park (6 disabled) and one of the 11v11 pitches has a 175 seater stand. I believe those have been tweaked slightly. Any chance of a picture dude? A picture first would have been better btw..
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 19:49:59 GMT
Of the plans, not your penis.
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Post by dave1883gas on May 23, 2017 19:55:50 GMT
I am a new poster but have been viewing this forum for years and decided to register and explain what I knew to take away some of the negativity. I have only commented on the stadium because that was the only real purpose for registering as explained above and that's the only aspect I have been given any info on (and training ground). I have probably said too much and will no longer post based on some of the comments on here already and the general tone in which people act with suspicion ( which I do understand). It's easier to just watch as a guest and not get involved in posting. I cannot guarantee any of the info I have shared as ultimately it has not come to me direct from the club. I do believe the info passed to me to be correct and I really hope the deal has been agreed and an announcement is made soon. I know some on here know me and know I would not make anything up and post it if I find my believe it to be correct. Time will tell if the deal is concluded and all this has a happy ending!
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 19:59:10 GMT
I think everyone is in the same boat Dave. Who knows you on here then?
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Post by dave1883gas on May 23, 2017 20:03:28 GMT
I think everyone is in the same boat Dave. Who knows you on here then? Langford Gas and I believe Russ Gas also knows me!
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Post by womble on May 23, 2017 20:25:52 GMT
How convenient! Odd HG's SGlos contact hasn't apparently heard anything as surely our architects would speak to the SGlos planners before they submitted any plans? I have seen the plans with my own eyes so I wouldn't say it was convenient unless someone has gone to the trouble of mocking up some plans for the purposes of showing me to put on this forum. Thank you for sharing what you've seen Dave. South Glos planners will already be perfectly aware that the current permission is insufficient for our needs. Any necessary tweaks to the plans can be negotiated once they are submitted. Which shouldn't be long, then we can all admire them.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 23, 2017 20:44:36 GMT
I have seen the plans with my own eyes so I wouldn't say it was convenient unless someone has gone to the trouble of mocking up some plans for the purposes of showing me to put on this forum. Thank you for sharing what you've seen Dave. South Glos planners will already be perfectly aware that the current permission is insufficient for our needs. Any necessary tweaks to the plans can be negotiated once they are submitted. Which shouldn't be long, then we can all admire them. HG probably has far more knowledge than me on this subject but I understand the usual process is architects speak to the planning dept to get an understanding what is and what isn't likely to get approved before they submit their final plans, as it's pretty pointless submitting costly plans only for them to get kicked straight out. Dave seems to be in the know and if he knows Langford Gas then I can guess who is source of info could be, it would be nice now if the club could give a hint everything is progressing as hoped.
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Post by warehamgas on May 23, 2017 20:51:35 GMT
Here come the forensic dissector and financial experts who do nothing but speculate, assume and presume abd upon nothing. Sheesh, it's really quite painful how fickle the clubs fans, at least some forum users, have become. Luckily many don't use them and are reasonably happy I don't tend to comment on stadium posts as I simply do not have a clue, I will however like to say that I totally agree with what you just posted in regards to certain posters on here being financial experts who like to speculate on all things related to our dealings with UWE when in reality they are as much in the dark as everyone else! Brilliant kp !!!! Pretty much sums up the situation of most on here okebourne! Apart from 1 or 2 none of us know much at all! It's why I rarely post on these UWE threads. I know sod all. UTG!
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Post by clearblue on May 23, 2017 20:52:11 GMT
Yawn !!
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Post by gasincider on May 23, 2017 21:08:49 GMT
By the way dave1883gas, you omitted the sandpit. Yes that's right a sandpit. The pitches could be started now, the planning permission is for the permanent clubhouse/canteen that needs to be built.
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Post by spiess1 on May 23, 2017 21:22:43 GMT
So, Topper, you agree that they should tell us when they're ready. But you also want a hint. Push-me, pull-you, or what.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 23, 2017 21:36:46 GMT
So, Topper, you agree that they should tell us when they're ready. But you also want a hint. Push-me, pull-you, or what. Nope, I think they should get on and tell us something now, it's not as if they got Bristol Sport etc waiting on the sidelines to make a counter offer if ours falls through.
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Post by gasincider on May 23, 2017 21:37:12 GMT
With regard to Higgs and his involvement, remember it was UWE who approached Nick Higgs not the other way round. Also, under the NH arrangement we would have given UWE just about everything, whereas now we wouldn't.
The difference in the two scenarios is partly understandable. Under NH, the build monies didn't need to be repaid, but under Hani's scenario, the monies have to be repaid, hence the need for the additional infrastructure to generate the repayments.
As for funding, even based on a 25 year repayment schedule and at the aforementioned 5% return on say £50m funding, the stadium and infrastructure would need to generate a minimum of £4.5m per annum. But we need it to fund the overall running of the club. So we are looking at a minimum of £6-7m per annum. This is why the feasibility report was commissioned.
I just hope that the people funding the build were happy enough to want to proceed.
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Post by womble on May 23, 2017 21:55:32 GMT
Thank you for sharing what you've seen Dave. South Glos planners will already be perfectly aware that the current permission is insufficient for our needs. Any necessary tweaks to the plans can be negotiated once they are submitted. Which shouldn't be long, then we can all admire them. HG probably has far more knowledge than me on this subject but I understand the usual process is architects speak to the planning dept to get an understanding what is and what isn't likely to get approved before they submit their final plans, as it's pretty pointless submitting costly plans only for them to get kicked straight out. Dave seems to be in the know and if he knows Langford Gas then I can guess who is source of info could be, it would be nice now if the club could give a hint everything is progressing as hoped. Pre-planning enquiries are often made, but the recommendation of the planning officers, does not have to be followed by the councillors if it goes before a committee - so all the joys of the democratic process may still await us.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 22:54:12 GMT
With regard to Higgs and his involvement, remember it was UWE who approached Nick Higgs not the other way round. Also, under the NH arrangement we would have given UWE just about everything, whereas now we wouldn't. The difference in the two scenarios is partly understandable. Under NH, the build monies didn't need to be repaid, but under Hani's scenario, the monies have to be repaid, hence the need for the additional infrastructure to generate the repayments. As for funding, even based on a 25 year repayment schedule and at the aforementioned 5% return on say £50m funding, the stadium and infrastructure would need to generate a minimum of £4.5m per annum. But we need it to fund the overall running of the club. So we are looking at a minimum of £6-7m per annum. This is why the feasibility report was commissioned. I just hope that the people funding the build were happy enough to want to proceed. That how I see it unless the family are putting up a large chunk of the cash for no return. KP will probably have a go at you along with a few others for putting up some numbers.
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