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Post by bluestone on May 24, 2017 14:06:50 GMT
I am building a house and refurbing the adjoining property for a mate of mine ironically enough in Eastville , now the quotation has been excepted and deal has been struck , we have also alerted the building inspector and had info/costings back from Bristol water, Wessex water , western power and Wales and west utilities regarding new services with a view to start in the very near future , we have been told that the money is available but is not yet in the coffers to begin , we have now been told that the plots have to be separated up from the new proposed plot and the adjoining existing plot before the bank will release the funds to enable the start , now this could delay things by 2/3 months I'm lead to believe, my point in all this is that although this is a much smaller project things still tend to slow the process down and if there are any issues in separating the plots i.e.: main sewers etc then this could delay the project even more , so if a small house build project can still have teething problems once the deal has been struck what's the likelihood hood of a multi-million stadium project encountering teething problems or more , basically until all the bits are in place surely it would be prudent to keep a lid on it? Great post and illustrates very well how complex the process really is. I work in construction as well, I'm a design manager for a very large (global) building contractor. I've spent most of my career working on commercial building projects (hospitals, retail, offices etc.) ranging from £10m to £150m in value during both the preconstruction and construction phases. I can honestly say that the majority of time in the overall life of a project (from concept to completion) is spent in the preconstruction stage getting planning permission, finance / land deals agreed etc. It is also where the biggest risks are, hence why developers take a decent wedge from the deal as they are often funding the preconstruction stage speculatively until such time as planning is secured and the deals are signed etc. You would have thought that the construction stage would be most difficult, time consuming and risky wouldn't you? Although there are significant risks to be managed and challenges along the way during the build, in my experience, it is actually the easier part of the process because once the deals are done and the contracts signed there is more certainty. The project is more or less guaranteed to be finished one way or another even if it is finished late or costs more....which is unfortunately all too often the case! I am currently working on a high rise residential project that is worth about £75m, that project has been in the planning stage for 1.5 years already and we have not yet even submitted a planning application! Like the majority of my fellow gas heads I don't have any inside knowledge regarding UWE either and cannot be certain that it will go ahead. However the time it has taken for the new owners to work their way through the process since they took over BRFC and the UWE project does not surprise me in the least based on my own experience. I for one do not take the recent radio silence or delay in announcing a done deal as a negative thing, in fact I think it is positive because if it was a dead duck then I'm pretty sure it would have been declared by now. Keep the faith! UTG!
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 14:11:04 GMT
I am building a house and refurbing the adjoining property for a mate of mine ironically enough in Eastville , now the quotation has been excepted and deal has been struck , we have also alerted the building inspector and had info/costings back from Bristol water, Wessex water , western power and Wales and west utilities regarding new services with a view to start in the very near future , we have been told that the money is available but is not yet in the coffers to begin , we have now been told that the plots have to be separated up from the new proposed plot and the adjoining existing plot before the bank will release the funds to enable the start , now this could delay things by 2/3 months I'm lead to believe, my point in all this is that although this is a much smaller project things still tend to slow the process down and if there are any issues in separating the plots i.e.: main sewers etc then this could delay the project even more , so if a small house build project can still have teething problems once the deal has been struck what's the likelihood hood of a multi-million stadium project encountering teething problems or more , basically until all the bits are in place surely it would be prudent to keep a lid on it? Great post and illustrates very well how complex the process really is. I work in construction as well, I'm a design manager for a very large (global) building contractor. I've spent most of my career working on commercial building projects (hospitals, retail, offices etc.) ranging from £10m to £150m in value during both the preconstruction and construction phases. I can honestly say that the majority of time in the overall life of a project (from concept to completion) is spent in the preconstruction stage getting planning permission, finance / land deals agreed etc. It is also where the biggest risks are, hence why developers take a decent wedge from the deal as they are often funding the preconstruction stage speculatively until such time as planning is secured and the deals are signed etc. You would have thought that the construction stage would be most difficult, time consuming and risky wouldn't you? Although there are significant risks to be managed and challenges along the way during the build, in my experience, it is actually the easier part of the process because once the deals are done and the contracts signed there is more certainty. The project is more or less guaranteed to be finished one way or another even if it is finished late or costs more....which is unfortunately all too often the case! I am currently working on a high rise residential project that is worth about £75m, that project has been in the planning stage for 1.5 years already and we have not yet even submitted a planning application! Like the majority of my fellow gas heads I don't have any inside knowledge regarding UWE either and cannot be certain that it will go ahead. However the time it has taken for the new owners to work their way through the process since they took over BRFC and the UWE project does not surprise me in the least based on my own experience. I for one do not take the recent radio silence or delay in announcing a done deal as a negative thing, in fact I think it is positive because if it was a dead duck then I'm pretty sure it would have been declared by now. Keep the faith! UTG! well said bluestone. Far too many so called construction experts talking rollox across these threads!
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Post by spiess1 on May 24, 2017 14:54:08 GMT
"so called construction experts talking rollox" Are they the same as the so called financial experts talking rollox, do you think?
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Post by gasincider on May 24, 2017 17:37:18 GMT
Does it help to know that it's already approved. All that was supposedly at stake was what we could keep from the income streams. Nothing to do with hold ups as detailed above. In fact at the AGM SH was asked if there was an issue with guarantees on funding and he publically said no, it had gone beyond that. In other words he confirmed that everything was in place as he had already stated that it was only the guarantees that were outstanding previously.
Therefore, why haven't we pushed ahead? There own statements confirm everything is in place. Therefore the only reason I can think of that prevents us going ahead is that old chestnut. PROOF OF FUNDS.
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Post by northsidegas on May 24, 2017 20:33:00 GMT
Didn't cunnah say if one thing he's learnt you got to stay in the planning for as long as possible to make sure the build goes smoothly..😎
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Post by Topper Gas on May 24, 2017 21:30:25 GMT
Didn't cunnah say if one thing he's learnt you got to stay in the planning for as long as possible to make sure the build goes smoothly..😎 I wouldn't take much notice of what he had to say, as he got kicked off the Wembley job and then didn't stay the distance with us.
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Post by Marshy on May 25, 2017 3:42:48 GMT
Didn't cunnah say if one thing he's learnt you got to stay in the planning for as long as possible to make sure the build goes smoothly..😎 Dont worry Baldrick, we have a Cunnah plan!
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Post by Gasshole on May 25, 2017 5:04:00 GMT
So is today the day ? Fkin hope not, I've got important business to take care of today. Attachment Deleted
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Post by peterparker on May 25, 2017 6:32:34 GMT
Does it help to know that it's already approved. All that was supposedly at stake was what we could keep from the income streams. Nothing to do with hold ups as detailed above. In fact at the AGM SH was asked if there was an issue with guarantees on funding and he publically said no, it had gone beyond that. In other words he confirmed that everything was in place as he had already stated that it was only the guarantees that were outstanding previously. Therefore, why haven't we pushed ahead? There own statements confirm everything is in place. Therefore the only reason I can think of that prevents us going ahead is that old chestnut. PROOF OF FUNDS. And i am sure you know the difference between approved and signed off. A deal may have been agreed in prinicipal but any changes will need to be drawn up legally sent of, signed etc. No different to buying a house is it. It all takes a period of time, it doesnt simply appear. Depending on how the finance is sourced we are probably talking more than just 2 parties signing agreements
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Post by Topper Gas on May 25, 2017 7:52:35 GMT
Does it help to know that it's already approved. All that was supposedly at stake was what we could keep from the income streams. Nothing to do with hold ups as detailed above. In fact at the AGM SH was asked if there was an issue with guarantees on funding and he publically said no, it had gone beyond that. In other words he confirmed that everything was in place as he had already stated that it was only the guarantees that were outstanding previously. Therefore, why haven't we pushed ahead? There own statements confirm everything is in place. Therefore the only reason I can think of that prevents us going ahead is that old chestnut. PROOF OF FUNDS. And i am sure you know the difference between approved and signed off. A deal may have been agreed in prinicipal but any changes will need to be drawn up legally sent of, signed etc. No different to buying a house is it. It all takes a period of time, it doesnt simply appear. Depending on how the finance is sourced we are probably talking more than just 2 parties signing agreements Then again it may not, we just seem to be trapped in an ever revolving circle on Gaschat, a poster like GI will say he's got concerns, other posters will come up with every reason they can think of why he might be wrong, meanwhile, there's zero info coming out of the club. The only positive recently (in terms of big expenditure) is the purchasing of the The Colony but nearly 6 months later there's still no sign of the plans being submitted to S Glos, it also seems odd we're now spending £100K on the Mem pitch for just 2 or 3 seasons use if we're just weeks away from agreeing a deal with the UEW
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 25, 2017 7:55:41 GMT
And i am sure you know the difference between approved and signed off. A deal may have been agreed in prinicipal but any changes will need to be drawn up legally sent of, signed etc. No different to buying a house is it. It all takes a period of time, it doesnt simply appear. Depending on how the finance is sourced we are probably talking more than just 2 parties signing agreements Then again it may not, we just seem to be trapped in an ever revolving circle on Gaschat, a poster like GI will say he's got concerns, other posters will come up with every reason they can think of why he might be wrong, meanwhile, there's zero info coming out of the club. The only positive recently (in terms of big expenditure) is the purchasing of the The Colony but nearly 6 months later there's still no sign of the plans being submitted to S Glos, it also seems odd we're now spending £100K on the Mem pitch for just 2 or 3 seasons use if we're just weeks away from agreeing a deal with the UEW What if the £100,000 is a grant from the EFL and we loose it if we don't use it ?
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Post by RD on May 25, 2017 8:06:43 GMT
Then again it may not, we just seem to be trapped in an ever revolving circle on Gaschat, a poster like GI will say he's got concerns, other posters will come up with every reason they can think of why he might be wrong, meanwhile, there's zero info coming out of the club. The only positive recently (in terms of big expenditure) is the purchasing of the The Colony but nearly 6 months later there's still no sign of the plans being submitted to S Glos, it also seems odd we're now spending £100K on the Mem pitch for just 2 or 3 seasons use if we're just weeks away from agreeing a deal with the UEW What if the £100,000 is a grant from the EFL and we loose it if we don't use it ? Henbury you are sh*t at this scaremongering lark.
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 25, 2017 8:10:59 GMT
What if the £100,000 is a grant from the EFL and we loose it if we don't use it ? Henbury you are sh*t at this scaremongering lark. but i do try very hard to get better at it Have they started doing the car park yet ?
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Post by peterparker on May 25, 2017 8:12:22 GMT
And i am sure you know the difference between approved and signed off. A deal may have been agreed in prinicipal but any changes will need to be drawn up legally sent of, signed etc. No different to buying a house is it. It all takes a period of time, it doesnt simply appear. Depending on how the finance is sourced we are probably talking more than just 2 parties signing agreements Then again it may not, we just seem to be trapped in an ever revolving circle on Gaschat, a poster like GI will say he's got concerns, other posters will come up with every reason they can think of why he might be wrong, meanwhile, there's zero info coming out of the club. The only positive recently (in terms of big expenditure) is the purchasing of the The Colony but nearly 6 months later there's still no sign of the plans being submitted to S Glos, it also seems odd we're now spending £100K on the Mem pitch for just 2 or 3 seasons use if we're just weeks away from agreeing a deal with the UEW He has been told something, and then made assumptions, concerns in his own head and posted them here. An opinion is okay, but this is based in the I think I know something and its more Dam boring than those moaning that we dont hear anything We have been told August a decision is to be sorted by, so everyone just leave it fecking be til than and tben moan if needed
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 25, 2017 8:20:24 GMT
Then again it may not, we just seem to be trapped in an ever revolving circle on Gaschat, a poster like GI will say he's got concerns, other posters will come up with every reason they can think of why he might be wrong, meanwhile, there's zero info coming out of the club. The only positive recently (in terms of big expenditure) is the purchasing of the The Colony but nearly 6 months later there's still no sign of the plans being submitted to S Glos, it also seems odd we're now spending £100K on the Mem pitch for just 2 or 3 seasons use if we're just weeks away from agreeing a deal with the UEW He has been told something, and then made assumptions, concerns in his own head and posted them here. An opinion is okay, but this is based in the I think I know something and its more f**king boring than those moaning that we dont hear anything We have been told August a decision is to be sorted by, so everyone just leave it fecking be til than and tben moan if needed We all like to have a good moan because its good for the soul
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 8:21:14 GMT
All these clever people with sound experience coming on here - nicking our jobs! I don't wanna job, I just want fake news and fabricated stories.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 8:24:02 GMT
And i am sure you know the difference between approved and signed off. A deal may have been agreed in prinicipal but any changes will need to be drawn up legally sent of, signed etc. No different to buying a house is it. It all takes a period of time, it doesnt simply appear. Depending on how the finance is sourced we are probably talking more than just 2 parties signing agreements Then again it may not, we just seem to be trapped in an ever revolving circle on Gaschat, a poster like GI will say he's got concerns, other posters will come up with every reason they can think of why he might be wrong, meanwhile, there's zero info coming out of the club. The only positive recently (in terms of big expenditure) is the purchasing of the The Colony but nearly 6 months later there's still no sign of the plans being submitted to S Glos, it also seems odd we're now spending £100K on the Mem pitch for just 2 or 3 seasons use if we're just weeks away from agreeing a deal with the UEWWhy does it?
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Post by countygroundhotel on May 25, 2017 8:29:26 GMT
Then again it may not, we just seem to be trapped in an ever revolving circle on Gaschat, a poster like GI will say he's got concerns, other posters will come up with every reason they can think of why he might be wrong, meanwhile, there's zero info coming out of the club. The only positive recently (in terms of big expenditure) is the purchasing of the The Colony but nearly 6 months later there's still no sign of the plans being submitted to S Glos, it also seems odd we're now spending £100K on the Mem pitch for just 2 or 3 seasons use if we're just weeks away from agreeing a deal with the UEW He has been told something, and then made assumptions, concerns in his own head and posted them here. An opinion is okay, but this is based in the I think I know something and its more f**king boring than those moaning that we dont hear anything We have been told August a decision is to be sorted by, so everyone just leave it fecking be til than and tben moan if needed I love laughing at people who get all indignant and try to police threads they don't even need to read
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Post by peterparker on May 25, 2017 8:37:36 GMT
He has been told something, and then made assumptions, concerns in his own head and posted them here. An opinion is okay, but this is based in the I think I know something and its more f**king boring than those moaning that we dont hear anything We have been told August a decision is to be sorted by, so everyone just leave it fecking be til than and tben moan if needed I love laughing at people who get all indignant and try to police threads they don't even need to read Just excerising my right to moan like everyone else. I am sure some people find it boring also😃 I just dont get that we have been told August is the deadline, yet everyday someone wants to know something, or wants to tell us they know something but doesnt know why we havent been told. A couple of months people. Hold tight and then you can let rip if needs be. Off to the beach with my baby and to enjoy the sunshine now.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 9:17:49 GMT
He has been told something, and then made assumptions, concerns in his own head and posted them here. An opinion is okay, but this is based in the I think I know something and its more f**king boring than those moaning that we dont hear anything We have been told August a decision is to be sorted by, so everyone just leave it fecking be til than and tben moan if needed We all like to have a good moan because its good for the soul You've got a soul?
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