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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 9:18:30 GMT
All these clever people with sound experience coming on here - nicking our jobs! I don't wanna job, I just want fake news and fabricated stories.You need to go to PornHub.
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Post by Severncider on May 25, 2017 9:24:34 GMT
I love laughing at people who get all indignant and try to police threads they don't even need to read Just excerising my right to moan like everyone else. I am sure some people find it boring also😃 I just dont get that we have been told August is the deadline, yet everyday someone wants to know something, or wants to tell us they know something but doesnt know why we havent been told. A couple of months people. Hold tight and then you can let rip if needs be. Off to the beach with my baby and to enjoy the sunshine now. Stay away from Weston-Super-Mare with your negative views.
I have stayed out of commenting on the current UWE, it is great fun watching those who think they know something but really know FA.
I know who I believe on this forum, even if their info is not always 100% correct. It's usually 90+% correct and where they are wrong, I understand how that has happened.
Onward for another 50+ pages.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 25, 2017 10:26:40 GMT
Then again it may not, we just seem to be trapped in an ever revolving circle on Gaschat, a poster like GI will say he's got concerns, other posters will come up with every reason they can think of why he might be wrong, meanwhile, there's zero info coming out of the club. The only positive recently (in terms of big expenditure) is the purchasing of the The Colony but nearly 6 months later there's still no sign of the plans being submitted to S Glos, it also seems odd we're now spending £100K on the Mem pitch for just 2 or 3 seasons use if we're just weeks away from agreeing a deal with the UEWWhy does it? If it was a house you wouldn't pay £5K for a new kitchen if you expected moving out in a year or two, it just seems odd timing to spend it this summer, and not last summer, when we've only got 6 months to go until work as to start on the UWE. It's not like the pitch was in a terrible state at any point last season. Let's face facts there's zero evidence of anything happening with the UWE or The Colony projects at present bar SH apparently waving some fantastic plans about for the latter.
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Post by Gasshole on May 25, 2017 10:35:06 GMT
All these clever people with sound experience coming on here - nicking our jobs! I don't wanna job, I just want fake news and fabricated stories. I took my dog to the Vets today, as he has just started sh1tting on the living room carpet. He told me to move to Bedminster and put two shopping trolleys in the front garden. Anyone got a picture of Elvis I could hang up in the lounge.
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Post by garystash on May 25, 2017 10:35:34 GMT
If it was a house you wouldn't pay £5K for a new kitchen if you expected moving out in a year or two, it just seems odd timing to spend it this summer, and not last summer, when we've only got 6 months to go until work as to start on the UWE. It's not like the pitch was in a terrible state at any point last season. Let's face facts there's zero evidence of anything happening with the UWE or The Colony projects at present bar SH apparently waving some fantastic plans about for the latter. DC has stated he's been pretty unhappy with the state of the pitch, and in one post-match interview said there should be "no excuses" for it. Maybe it's more about keeping him happy and at the club than it is about UWE.
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Post by daniel300380 on May 25, 2017 10:40:12 GMT
If it was a house you wouldn't pay £5K for a new kitchen if you expected moving out in a year or two, it just seems odd timing to spend it this summer, and not last summer, when we've only got 6 months to go until work as to start on the UWE. It's not like the pitch was in a terrible state at any point last season. Let's face facts there's zero evidence of anything happening with the UWE or The Colony projects at present bar SH apparently waving some fantastic plans about for the latter. It's not a house though! We need a pitch and if it needed working on then we have to do the work regardless. Plus you normally get funding for that kind of work anyway. If your kitchen was not good enough and someone else was going to help fund a new one, I'm sure you would have a new one, even if you were only staying for a few months.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 10:40:15 GMT
It's not going to happen
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Post by newmarketgas on May 25, 2017 10:47:08 GMT
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Post by 84gas on May 25, 2017 10:47:58 GMT
Too much positivity on here for my liking!
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 25, 2017 10:56:12 GMT
We all like to have a good moan because its good for the soul You've got a soul? only on the left boot, the right one i sold to the devil
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Post by Gasshole on May 25, 2017 10:57:47 GMT
I find double glazing helps.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 10:59:25 GMT
If it was a house you wouldn't pay £5K for a new kitchen if you expected moving out in a year or two, it just seems odd timing to spend it this summer, and not last summer, when we've only got 6 months to go until work as to start on the UWE. It's not like the pitch was in a terrible state at any point last season. Let's face facts there's zero evidence of anything happening with the UWE or The Colony projects at present bar SH apparently waving some fantastic plans about for the latter. If it was a house... So your kitchen isn't up to scratch and you plan to move in 18 months? Do you spend 5k on the kitchen of your house which is worth X? Or Continue with your malfunctioning kitchen for 18 MONTHS then sell your house with the ragbag kitchen which will devalue the property? 100k is probably not much in the scheme of things and considering this UWE thing will take a while to build 30k a year to keep the manager happy isn't asking much.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 11:13:16 GMT
5K to keep She Who Casts No Shadow happy for two years ! I'd happily pay that as in reality in costs me far more !
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Post by Kingswood Polak on May 25, 2017 11:15:38 GMT
I am a new poster but have been viewing this forum for years and decided to register and explain what I knew to take away some of the negativity. I have only commented on the stadium because that was the only real purpose for registering as explained above and that's the only aspect I have been given any info on (and training ground). I have probably said too much and will no longer post based on some of the comments on here already and the general tone in which people act with suspicion ( which I do understand). It's easier to just watch as a guest and not get involved in posting. I cannot guarantee any of the info I have shared as ultimately it has not come to me direct from the club. I do believe the info passed to me to be correct and I really hope the deal has been agreed and an announcement is made soon. I know some on here know me and know I would not make anything up and post it if I find my believe it to be correct. Time will tell if the deal is concluded and all this has a happy ending! I TOTALLY get where you're coming from. Believe it or not, when I first joined what was the clubs official forum I was voted best newcomer but a forum can be both positive and hugely negative and personal attacks are the thing some live for. I certainly learned a great deal and felt I had no alternative but to come off of this one but I'll not bore with detail, something I would have been unable to do before learning a bit. Everyine has an opinion and I'm fine with that but when some just post disingenuous stuff, looking for bites and gossip, it can become very hard and especially when you have posted in good faith. Sometimes it's like placing a target on yourself but no knowing it I hope your experience is a good one. Just a word to the wise, tread carefully if the information you have may be covered by privacy laws. Most of us never know if that is the case but, saying that, the days of posters warning of possible litigation have died down since the AQ family and Steve Hamer have been here. That's a huge positive as I see it Good luck fella
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Post by Kingswood Polak on May 25, 2017 11:19:28 GMT
We were told it would have to be sorted by August (start or end ?)so until September arrives with no news I don't see the problem. Gasincider wants to know thats why Surely the poster named already knows ?
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Post by Kingswood Polak on May 25, 2017 11:44:35 GMT
I am building a house and refurbing the adjoining property for a mate of mine ironically enough in Eastville , now the quotation has been excepted and deal has been struck , we have also alerted the building inspector and had info/costings back from Bristol water, Wessex water , western power and Wales and west utilities regarding new services with a view to start in the very near future , we have been told that the money is available but is not yet in the coffers to begin , we have now been told that the plots have to be separated up from the new proposed plot and the adjoining existing plot before the bank will release the funds to enable the start , now this could delay things by 2/3 months I'm lead to believe, my point in all this is that although this is a much smaller project things still tend to slow the process down and if there are any issues in separating the plots i.e.: main sewers etc then this could delay the project even more , so if a small house build project can still have teething problems once the deal has been struck what's the likelihood hood of a multi-million stadium project encountering teething problems or more , basically until all the bits are in place surely it would be prudent to keep a lid on it? M Great post and illustrates very well how complex the process really is. I work in construction as well, I'm a design manager for a very large (global) building contractor. I've spent most of my career working on commercial building projects (hospitals, retail, offices etc.) ranging from £10m to £150m in value during both the preconstruction and construction phases. I can honestly say that the majority of time in the overall life of a project (from concept to completion) is spent in the preconstruction stage getting planning permission, finance / land deals agreed etc. It is also where the biggest risks are, hence why developers take a decent wedge from the deal as they are often funding the preconstruction stage speculatively until such time as planning is secured and the deals are signed etc. You would have thought that the construction stage would be most difficult, time consuming and risky wouldn't you? Although there are significant risks to be managed and challenges along the way during the build, in my experience, it is actually the easier part of the process because once the deals are done and the contracts signed there is more certainty. The project is more or less guaranteed to be finished one way or another even if it is finished late or costs more....which is unfortunately all too often the case! I am currently working on a high rise residential project that is worth about £75m, that project has been in the planning stage for 1.5 years already and we have not yet even submitted a planning application! Like the majority of my fellow gas heads I don't have any inside knowledge regarding UWE either and cannot be certain that it will go ahead. However the time it has taken for the new owners to work their way through the process since they took over BRFC and the UWE project does not surprise me in the least based on my own experience. I for one do not take the recent radio silence or delay in announcing a done deal as a negative thing, in fact I think it is positive because if it was a dead duck then I'm pretty sure it would have been declared by now. Keep the faith! UTG! "IF" we take it as the AQ family has openly told us as true, I do, that the stadium plans had ceded much of the income to the other party then Wael has said that it has taken a lot of negotiation to get a deal that's right for the club. I'm not experienced as you obviously are but your post makes complete sense. The owner works alongside a patriarchal system and it's the family that make the decisions, together. I guess most know how family disagreement can go let alone the inticasies of the deal with UWE. We have an owner who has delivered on his promises, to date plus additions of training facility and has openly admitted that buying the club is totally different to running the club. If you are one of those he follows then he is open in his replies, on twitter. I've never pushed him on this though as I don't think it right but each to their own. Imagine opening Toni's books to find whatever was in them ! From the little I do know ther was/is much that needs redressing. Can you take on board that maybe the family are also probably shocked at the speed of our comeback ? I can. I sometimes think that the team has surpassed the timescales they * may *'have had and trying to manage expectation must be a son of a bitch to deal wth. For the first time in my time of paying my own way into games, 1978, I feel we have not just competent owners but people who give a damn and don't use the club as some kind of status symbol where they can park their lovely new cars whilst keeping us, the real shareholders at distance & even having digs at us as the now infamous 50 internet warriors. We have seen banning orders overturned and even open handedness to those who truly loathed us, made them lifetime Vice Presidents and welcomed them. These are not the actions of people who don't have ours and the clubs interest at heart. Had I heard that DC had walked, after the budget meeting they I'd be more than suspicious but it's not been the case & I will, on this occasion, assume all worked out well there. I, for the first time, feel content that whatever the outcome that they will deliver even if elsewhere. I've not held back on my thoughts of UWE as I don't like the idea of another Reading type place, on the outskirts and nowhere else to have a drink plus much more but that is just my own opinion and preference. We now are not in a position where we are being held to a kind of ransom. The AW family have their own money and it's significantly more than Nick Higgs has. We have no "need" to give everything just to see a personal return. Tha ks for your post, you have the voice of reason. Nice to see and read
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Post by Kingswood Polak on May 25, 2017 11:49:12 GMT
Does it help to know that it's already approved. All that was supposedly at stake was what we could keep from the income streams. Nothing to do with hold ups as detailed above. In fact at the AGM SH was asked if there was an issue with guarantees on funding and he publically said no, it had gone beyond that. In other words he confirmed that everything was in place as he had already stated that it was only the guarantees that were outstanding previously. Therefore, why haven't we pushed ahead? There own statements confirm everything is in place. Therefore the only reason I can think of that prevents us going ahead is that old chestnut. PROOF OF FUNDS. And i am sure you know the difference between approved and signed off. A deal may have been agreed in prinicipal but any changes will need to be drawn up legally sent of, signed etc. No different to buying a house is it. It all takes a period of time, it doesnt simply appear. Depending on how the finance is sourced we are probably talking more than just 2 parties signing agreements Great point. That can be a kin nightmare. The better half had it take 3.5 YEARS on property in Cornwall and due to some bizarre stuff. One being rights to any valuable assets underground, duchee of Cornwall stuff.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 11:54:01 GMT
If it was a house you wouldn't pay £5K for a new kitchen if you expected moving out in a year or two, it just seems odd timing to spend it this summer, and not last summer, when we've only got 6 months to go until work as to start on the UWE. It's not like the pitch was in a terrible state at any point last season. Let's face facts there's zero evidence of anything happening with the UWE or The Colony projects at present bar SH apparently waving some fantastic plans about for the latter. If it was a house... So your kitchen isn't up to scratch and you plan to move in 18 months? Do you spend 5k on the kitchen of your house which is worth X? Or Continue with your malfunctioning kitchen for 18 MONTHS then sell your house with the ragbag kitchen which will devalue the property?100k is probably not much in the scheme of things and considering this UWE thing will take a while to build 30k a year to keep the manager happy isn't asking much.
A) If the ground was sold it is likely to be bulldozed so the state of the pitch/condition of the stadium wont matter. B) If the ground is 'malfunctioning' it certainly doesn't show with the results over the last few years.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on May 25, 2017 11:57:39 GMT
He has been told something, and then made assumptions, concerns in his own head and posted them here. An opinion is okay, but this is based in the I think I know something and its more f**king boring than those moaning that we dont hear anything We have been told August a decision is to be sorted by, so everyone just leave it fecking be til than and tben moan if needed We all like to have a good moan because its good for the soul It can be so if in the company of likeminded "souls" but can also be full of pitfalls and a good reputation can be ruined even if by the well intentioned sharing of information. We saw our own fans fighting one another over Campbell and that was entirely avoidable. I know I must be sounding very patronising but I've had to learn the hard way, a confidence aired, can ruin reputation and even long term friendships. It's an art form in knowing when to sometimes say nothing. One I'm still learning, sadly BUT better late than never as the old saying goes
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Post by gasincider on May 25, 2017 11:59:28 GMT
I love laughing at people who get all indignant and try to police threads they don't even need to read Just excerising my right to moan like everyone else. I am sure some people find it boring also😃 I just dont get that we have been told August is the deadline, yet everyday someone wants to know something, or wants to tell us they know something but doesnt know why we havent been told. A couple of months people. Hold tight and then you can let rip if needs be. Off to the beach with my baby and to enjoy the sunshine now. We were told we were coming in to land with the wheels down 6 months ago. Should we have stopped asking why and just let it run forever?
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