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Post by bluestone on Jul 27, 2021 11:19:05 GMT
im really quite angry with the club tbh. Anyone emailed tom gorringe? FFS! Absolutely fuming about this now, this is what I meant when I talked about reputational damage from backing JB but the club have gone even further than I had feared, not only have they backed the man but they've insulted any victim of domestic violence whether that be in the past or the future!😡
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Post by bluestone on Jul 27, 2021 11:07:13 GMT
Can't see it making the slightest bit of difference. Fans turn up to see the lads in the Quarters not the Manager. But if you turn up to support the lads in the quarters then you are effectively also supporting JB unless you wear a T shirt with "JB out!" written on it
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Post by bluestone on Jul 26, 2021 21:58:07 GMT
What a shambolic statement by the club!
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Post by bluestone on Jul 26, 2021 20:15:42 GMT
Sure, let's all have a whip round shall we? 🤣 I'm sure Wael didn't want to have to sack DC, BG and PT given the cost involved but he saw fit to in the pursuit of a better results. In my opinion maintaining the reputation and standing of our beloved football club is a more important reason to part ways with a manager. As I said previously, suspension is also an option but comes with it's own cost in that we'll be in limbo until December. Of course it's Waels decision at the end of the day as he owns and funds the football club but in my opinion sticking by JB and weathering the storm is the worst of all options as it's the most damaging to the club. More financially damaging is hiring a new manager and their entourage, wael ain't Abramovich and soon the cupboard will be bare, probably still paying off Garner and Tisdale. I'm not measuring the cost purely in pounds and pence but one things for sure this situation is damaging for the club whatever decision Wael makes going forward. UTG
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Post by bluestone on Jul 26, 2021 19:58:38 GMT
I'm no expert on the way football managers contracts work but it seems to me that football managers are sacked day in day out and I'm not sure whether legality even comes into it. Was DC, BG, or even Paul Tisdale sacked legally? If the club want to let the manager go and bring in a replacement then I'm sure they have the means to do that even though that may involve them having to pay something for the privilege. As I said, there's no good options here. For me we should get rid and stop this crazy merry go round with immediate effect, if not then suspend but that will leave us without a proper manager for at least half the season which is a terrible situation in itself I’m aware football managers get sacked all the time. If he is sacked on the grounds of gross misconduct etc relating to this court case I’m sure the club would be deemed to have acted unfairly and will be forced to pay his contractual entitlement. If he is found guilty then at that point the club can sack him with no further payment, in my experience that’s what tends to happen in other forms of employment - in the meantime I think the clubs only option (unless they want to pay him off in full now) would be to suspend him or support him until the case is concluded. Its in Wael’s hands as to how he wants manage the situation. If he believes in JB then he will probably let the justice system conclude before making any decision. After all the money he’s forked out in the past year so I can’t image he wants to spend hundreds of the thousands of pounds paying JB off. Perhaps the fans who want him out immediately could fund the pay off themselves? Sure, let's all have a whip round shall we? 🤣 I'm sure Wael didn't want to have to sack DC, BG and PT given the cost involved but he saw fit to in the pursuit of a better results. In my opinion maintaining the reputation and standing of our beloved football club is a more important reason to part ways with a manager. As I said previously, suspension is also an option but comes with it's own cost in that we'll be in limbo until December. Of course it's Waels decision at the end of the day as he owns and funds the football club but in my opinion sticking by JB and weathering the storm is the worst of all options as it's the most damaging to the club.
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Post by bluestone on Jul 26, 2021 15:28:18 GMT
100% agree with all of this but would add that the club needs to a) protect its reputation and b) show that it is not turning a blind eye to the allegations on the basis that is inconvenient to do take action. It seems to me there are 3 options: A) Club maintains its 'no comment' & no action position which most will see as them backing their man and they will have to accept any reputational damage that follows. B) Club suspend JB and we have a temporary manager until such time as the case is settled. C) Club sack JB (terminate his contract or whatever) and off we go again on the hunt for another manager! None of the above are desirable but it seems to me that A is the worst option, B is the next worst option and C is probably the least worst option. Only option C is decisive as with A & B we are in limbo land at least until December. Wherever you sit on the spectrum of JB in or out surely there is one thing that we can all agree on.... THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING POSITIVE FOR BRFC IN THIS SITUATION! Edit - sorry for shouting at the end there but I'm sick of all the negativity and constant drama happening at our club. UTG Would it be legal to sack him on the grounds of this court case before a court has had the opportunity to determine whether he is guilty or not? I suspect it isn’t. I know someone will say we can sack him for other reasons but it would be pretty obvious as to the true reason and leave the club open to legal action themselves. My guess is that the only option at the moment is to either support him until he is proven guilty or suspend him on full pay until the justice system has concluded his case. I'm no expert on the way football managers contracts work but it seems to me that football managers are sacked day in day out and I'm not sure whether legality even comes into it. Was DC, BG, or even Paul Tisdale sacked legally? If the club want to let the manager go and bring in a replacement then I'm sure they have the means to do that even though that may involve them having to pay something for the privilege. As I said, there's no good options here. For me we should get rid and stop this crazy merry go round with immediate effect, if not then suspend but that will leave us without a proper manager for at least half the season which is a terrible situation in itself
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Post by bluestone on Jul 26, 2021 14:37:40 GMT
The club have got to suspend Barton until the case is resolved. Of course the man is innocent until proven guilty, but the fact that he’s been charged shows that there’s evidence there of wrongdoing. I can’t for the life of me understand those making apologies for Joey or coming up with half-baked conspiracies. Imagine if this was your daughter or sister on the receiving end of this. Would you be so quick to defend his rights? As much as it would disrupt our season, the club cannot simply sit on their hands. The charge is far too serious. 100% agree with all of this but would add that the club needs to a) protect its reputation and b) show that it is not turning a blind eye to the allegations on the basis that is inconvenient to do take action. It seems to me there are 3 options: A) Club maintains its 'no comment' & no action position which most will see as them backing their man and they will have to accept any reputational damage that follows. B) Club suspend JB and we have a temporary manager until such time as the case is settled. C) Club sack JB (terminate his contract or whatever) and off we go again on the hunt for another manager! None of the above are desirable but it seems to me that A is the worst option, B is the next worst option and C is probably the least worst option. Only option C is decisive as with A & B we are in limbo land at least until December. Wherever you sit on the spectrum of JB in or out surely there is one thing that we can all agree on.... THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING POSITIVE FOR BRFC IN THIS SITUATION! Edit - sorry for shouting at the end there but I'm sick of all the negativity and constant drama happening at our club. UTG
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Post by bluestone on Jul 25, 2021 13:45:30 GMT
Putting the new criminal charge to one side for the minute, this whole saga is only doing us harm by bringing the reputation of Bristol Rovers football club into disrepute. I can only imagine those in our award winning community trust who have worked so very hard to get the accolades and respect they deserve must be pulling their hair out at the moment. Notwithstanding whether JB is found guilty or not the club should be cutting ties with him ASAP to salvage a modicum of respect from this situation imo. I'm not at all impressed with the club sitting on this for 7 days and now coming out with a holding statement of 'no comment'. Irrespective of the outcome of the court hearing tomorrow JB has already caused massive damage to the club and must be suspended at the very least. To be fair as the case is now legal and there is to be court action they are not allowed to comment further. Unless you are expecting them to say whether or not JB had been dismissed; suspended or agreed to mutually terminate his contract The latter, I'm not expecting the club to comment on the details of the case but at the very least say that he's been suspended pending further developments. For me, I think the damage done to the club's reputation is enough for us to part ways right now.
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Post by bluestone on Jul 25, 2021 12:41:43 GMT
Putting the new criminal charge to one side for the minute, this whole saga is only doing us harm by bringing the reputation of Bristol Rovers football club into disrepute.
I can only imagine those in our award winning community trust who have worked so very hard to get the accolades and respect they deserve must be pulling their hair out at the moment.
Notwithstanding whether JB is found guilty or not the club should be cutting ties with him ASAP to salvage a modicum of respect from this situation imo.
I'm not at all impressed with the club sitting on this for 7 days and now coming out with a holding statement of 'no comment'.
Irrespective of the outcome of the court hearing tomorrow JB has already caused massive damage to the club and must be suspended at the very least.
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Post by bluestone on Jul 25, 2021 7:40:51 GMT
I know you're innocent until proven guilty and all that but he's nothing but trouble and an embarrassment to the club. You can't help but think it's probably true. His poor wife! He needs to be sacked asap! Very very bad decisions have been made by the club since DC was sacked. He's been allowed complete control over everything and has now reshaped the team and backroom staff only for it all to have to start over again with another manager. What a waste! This is a very dark period for Bristol Rovers, when will it end??!??!
I'm just so fed up with all the drama at the club I love and want us to get back to some kind of normality again
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Post by bluestone on Jul 25, 2021 7:37:33 GMT
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Post by bluestone on Apr 24, 2021 8:25:49 GMT
Surely we know the script by now? 1. Start well and on the front foot. 2. Miss a good chance or two 3. Concede a sloppy goal against the run of play 4. Huff and puff for the remaining 70 mins with no end product 5. Concede a second on the break 6. Look completely knackered for the final 10 minutes 7. A few strange subs from JB (either really early or really late) 8. Some dreadful deliveries by Westbrooke 9. Both Lukes play well and run their hearts out, with Luke M blasting a couple of shots from 20 yards out over the bar. 10. Wigan and those around us win anyway. Oh, and Hanlan falls down a lot. Have I missed anything? Yes, sprinkle in dodgy decisions going against us from the officials throughout the game and finish up with JB throwing all manner of sh*t around in the post match interview and that's a wrap imo. UTG
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Post by bluestone on Apr 18, 2021 15:37:22 GMT
It's rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic isn't it?
We've played a lot of different formations with a lot of different team selections this season but the results have been consistently crap barring one or two fluke games here or there.
I'm finding it very difficult to come up with a line up I'd be happy with next season based on our current squad.
The sad thing is that we are probably going to lose the players we would want to keep the most (Leahy, Rodman, Jaak, Nicholson) and be stuck with BG's signings from last summer.
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Post by bluestone on Apr 10, 2021 17:08:13 GMT
Feels like a loss and 2 points gifted away to our relegation rivals by a combination of our own lack of football ability and an extremely poor referee who bought Northampton's play acting throughout the entire game. The stats say we committed 23 fouls, 23, really???! I will watch the replay back for the pen decision but my view of it during the game was that our player was shoved to the floor before their player was tripped which is surely not a pen. That said you have to question why one of our centre backs is so easily out muscled in that situation. Although it feels like we have been on the wrong end of a lot of officiating decisions yet again today I think some of our players just aren't tough or savvy enough to compete with the likes of Northampton's more streetwise squad. I'm not paying respect to the cheating bast*rds for that but imo it's that lack of experience in our very young squad that is making the difference and costing us points. Baldwin was Posh's captain at 19 and also played for Sunderland, unlike Harries, he's not just started playing senior football, he should know the game as well as most pros. Last week it was a silly slip costing us a goal, now this week he's muscled off the ball. Fair point re: Baldwin but my point still stands re: our team not being streetwise enough to compete with the likes of Northampton in terms of gamesmanship
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Post by bluestone on Apr 10, 2021 17:05:34 GMT
2 mens to blame for this and that's Garner and Widdrington getting players that are not league 1 standard Tisdale was in charge in January when he could have righted the summer wrongs. Although BG and TW were clearly working to Wael's/MS' "vision" anyway. JCH's goals look likely to take Posh to the Championship, our lack of spending likely to take us to L2. History sadly repeating itself at Rovers after we sell on top goal scorer and just bank the profits. Don't you mean reduce our losses rather than banking profits
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Post by bluestone on Apr 10, 2021 16:38:04 GMT
Feels like a loss and 2 points gifted away to our relegation rivals by a combination of our own lack of football ability and an extremely poor referee who bought Northampton's play acting throughout the entire game. The stats say we committed 23 fouls, 23, really???!
I will watch the replay back for the pen decision but my view of it during the game was that our player was shoved to the floor before their player was tripped which is surely not a pen. That said you have to question why one of our centre backs is so easily out muscled in that situation.
Although it feels like we have been on the wrong end of a lot of officiating decisions yet again today I think some of our players just aren't tough or savvy enough to compete with the likes of Northampton's more streetwise squad. I'm not paying respect to the cheating bast*rds for that but imo it's that lack of experience in our very young squad that is making the difference and costing us points.
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Post by bluestone on Apr 10, 2021 15:00:35 GMT
Am I the only one that would rather Westbrook wasn't in the team? We need him in the team for his creative play but his dead ball delivery is awful, I'd prefer it if McCormick could take some corners and free kicks
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Post by bluestone on Apr 10, 2021 9:25:56 GMT
It's a big birthday for me today so the least the boys can do is give me a present of three points. Mine too! (well, big one plus a bit) Here's hoping for a VERY Happy Birthday. Got the special 1990's Habitat crockery out for good luck. View AttachmentMy god....that crockery set is a thing of beauty! They should sell it in the club shop. It would be a perfect replacement for Jock's late great spotty plates (RIP)
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Post by bluestone on Apr 8, 2021 19:24:03 GMT
Been a bit on the fence about JB if I'm honest. When he first arrived I was not sure he was the right one for us, then he started convincing me as I liked the cut of his jib but then he started to turn me off with the whining about officials and calling out of Ehmer.
I'm hopeful that Saturday will prove to be our turning point but at the same time also afraid to get my hopes up after being disappointed so many times this season.
What I will say about JB is that I think he could be on to something with the way he appears to be trying to instill a positive winning mentality into the group. Perhaps that had to start with a recognition that everything was not ok which I think we would all agree was definitely the case!
Throughout the season I have wondered whether part of the problem has been the players lacking that self belief that you must have to be successful and win.
If JB can get this team on a winning run that results in us staying up then I will believe that he's the one for us.
UTG
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Post by bluestone on Apr 5, 2021 19:58:49 GMT
I've been saying the same for weeks, I like what Westbrook can do for the team in open play when in a forward role, he's got an eye for a great pass but his dead ball delivery is very poor most of the time. Apart from corners, free kicks outside the box must be something to work on this week. For sure, there's lots of room for improvement with dead ball routines, we're not very creative with them and they are usually predictable lofty slow balls that the opposition have no problem clearing
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