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Post by 68 on Nov 7, 2021 13:52:06 GMT
This is why Rovers have never achieved much in their history, we've always struggled to sign forwards, and have only ever achieved brief success when we've managed it, until they've decided to move on 😕 Over the years we have had loads (and loads) of excellent srikers. Keeping them has been the issue.
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Post by 68 on Nov 7, 2021 13:30:19 GMT
How hard can it really be? I bet the statos can say the goals per game ratio for Collins, James and Nichols, but with the execption of JCH who has scored constantly for us since Taylor? There must be players like Jak who could do a job at this level. We just seemed to have resorted to young inexperienced youngsters like Daly or players past their prime like Clarke and Pitman. We won't be doing much until this issue is addressed. Feel sorry for Thomas, Sammy and Evans as they are our goal threat apart from set pieces. Those, so say, working alongside Paul Tisdale found it impossible...
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Post by 68 on Sept 19, 2021 18:55:07 GMT
Wasted time from minute 1 to minute 90. Until the authorities change the goal kick rule back to its former status, keepers will continue to waste time by taking goal kicks from the opposite side to where the ball went out. Also why the feck do they all make routine catches/saves and then fall to the floor. It bloody P?!ses me off. Because they are soooooo special.
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Post by 68 on Jul 27, 2021 17:05:17 GMT
As I said on the other thread I don't think it goes far enough in that it only refers to the (completely unnecessary to include, imho) victimless part of the statement as something that has been misinterpreted by us the great unwashed, rather than a mistake on their part. We have to break with Barton - guilty or not in this case, trouble and bad press follow him around Wael has provided an explanation and apology. For me, whether we break with Barton or not depends if he is innocent or guilty. You cannot just sack someone based on an allegation. You can if he has breached his contract by not advising them of the pending situation.
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Post by 68 on Jul 27, 2021 15:54:42 GMT
How come? "unreservedly apologize" What else could be said? I'm not saying that it is world beating but what more could be said? Just seems to be talking about all the good work the CT does, and the partnerships with HerGameToo and working with domestic abuse charities etc. I understand he’s basically said if found guilty then he’s gone and respect that but he should be coming out and saying until a verdict is reached then Joey Barton has been suspended. “ it is really important to confirm that as a club we stand firmly against any form of violence” but then we go ahead and hire a guy with a horrible track record of violence and a pending court case. Agree with all of that. I'd also go slightly further and say that if, by not telling the Club of the impending issue (which appears to be the case according to the satement), he has breached his contract with the Club they should be able to push him out the door. His not advising them is nothing to do with the incident or the case itself?
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Post by 68 on Jul 27, 2021 8:35:19 GMT
Well done Wael whilst I may agree or disagree with the content it has at least shook up a fair few on here who probably never wanted JB anyway. Perhaps now we can at least concentrate on FOOTBALL and hopefully JB back in charge on Saturday for the Oxford game. Nobody really knows exactly what happened and he is innocent until such time as guilt is found. The club have made the only decision they could have made based on two cases where there are no witneses present or likely to be present. The only reason these cases are taking place is possibly because JB is involved.Only time will tell what the final verdicts will be and whether Waels decision is correct. Steve This is so much more than FOOTBALL. I would suggest the wording of his contract is critical. Nothing connected to whether he is guilty or not of the offence.
If he did not tell the Club about the situation in early June, and the contract says (clearly not specifically) he should have, he should be out the door for breach of said contract (that is unless the Club have already found him not guilty, which they might seem to imply by the wording of the statement or want to support him? They have, pointedly, used part of a statement to imply something?). If he did, and the contract allows, he should be suspended (same comment as above refers). This is nothing different to any workplace situation.
If the contract allows neither, then based on his previous endevours before he joined, the Club (or their advisors) appear to have been pretty stupid.
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Post by 68 on Jul 26, 2021 20:29:19 GMT
What an awful statement. Club should announce they’ve suspended him until further notice at the bare minimum. Too true it is. They seem to be defending him by only quoting a small section from the prosecution statement.
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Post by 68 on Jul 25, 2021 10:52:15 GMT
Innocent until proven guilty. Don’t see what else we can do. But what an absolute clusterfuck. Perhaps (hopefully) if he didn't tell the Club at the beginning of June they have a reason to send him out of the door he never should have entered.
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Post by 68 on Apr 25, 2021 7:39:11 GMT
we need to back him 100% fans owner everyone We should have backed Tisdale in January.
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Post by 68 on Mar 3, 2021 9:09:15 GMT
I can't believe that matchday officials conspired to cheat us out of the game. Are officials inconsistent? Yes. Are some poor? Yes. Do they cheat teams? Not in my opinion. LM accumulated two yellow cards and was correctly sent off. If we are looking for scapegoats the fault is with the player not the referee. Neither can I but Barton needs to give officials a little more respect. His reputation goes before him.
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Post by 68 on Mar 3, 2021 9:00:48 GMT
Comment from Sam Frost not too long into the game last night; "Rovers getting nothing from the officials so far. Barton, right in front of the press area, tells the lino to "get your head out your a***"." I guess many thought it was funny; "good old Joey, you tell em".
As an official, how would you react? I'm sure they had a good chat at half time...
Are you suggesting the officials conspired to cheat us out of the game? Is that how you would react if you were an official; subconscious or otherwise? It's merely something to think about. Some officials would give Barton a yellow? Others might deal with it differently, particularly if it is pointed out, by another official, sometime after the incidents?
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Post by 68 on Mar 3, 2021 8:21:30 GMT
Players shouldn't give the ref an opportunity to book them, simples. But I think we all understand sometimes it's inevitable that will happen at some point. I don't think you can appeal, but maybe with video evidence, present a complaint. What I'm wondering, especially with a gobby manager appointment whom freely admits he's marmite to fans is: Is he marmite to refs too? Is this a classic case of (un)conscious bias? Comment from Sam Frost not too long into the game last night; "Rovers getting nothing from the officials so far. Barton, right in front of the press area, tells the lino to "get your head out your a***"." I guess many thought it was funny; "good old Joey, you tell em".
As an official, how would you react? I'm sure they had a good chat at half time...
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Post by 68 on Feb 27, 2021 14:49:13 GMT
That has really tipped me over the edge today, how can the incompetent Football league allow them three kits and they all clash. Me too. Hopefully we can use it as extra motivation to rub their noses in it. If you have a first kit of blue/yellow and second of white why would you have a third kit (purple) that clashes with either of those?
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Post by 68 on Feb 24, 2021 10:37:42 GMT
How many points is that to play for?
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Joey B
Feb 22, 2021 11:46:29 GMT
Post by 68 on Feb 22, 2021 11:46:29 GMT
People had doubts Garner and Tisdale -Time is now to forget all the negativity on this forum concerning Joey Barton and get behind him over the next eighteen games to show we are one. There will be defeats and no doubt the unblemished are just waiting to put the knife in but we I think this is a great appointment and cant wait to get back to the mem and get behind the manager and the team. UTG All Managers are difficult appointment as there will always be Supporters who disagree. Of course people had doubts about Garner and Tisdale. Tisdale, in particular you can argue, was right person wrong timing. But they were never going to divide Supporters like Barton will. He's just wrong for this Club.
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Post by 68 on Feb 19, 2021 14:09:28 GMT
I just want to point out that when Ched Evans was being discussed on this forum as a possible signing for us, there were so many people dead against it, even though he was found innocent in a retrial after already serving prison time for a crime which was proved that he did not commit. That was just one thing he was involved in and he ended up being found innocent. Yet so many on here still didn't want him near our club anyway. I wonder many of those on here who didn't want Ched Evans to come but are so desperate for Barton to come to us, even after knowing all the issues that Barton has been involved in as player and manager. I just don't get it. Innocent yes but should he have been in that position? Emphatically No.
I wouldn't want either.
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Post by 68 on Feb 19, 2021 13:01:27 GMT
That's the key to any Management position. You either bring in people who fit your criteria or you are able to motivate different personalities in the appropriate way for them (on the cricket front Brearley was the master of the latter). One of the reasons why Clough was never appointed as England Manager. Brilliant at kicking asses like Stuart Pearce (have you seen the reaction when he told Clough he was in the England squad?) but didn't have a Scooby at how to deal with a player who needed an arm round his shoulder. The best for England had various characters whereas the best at a Clough Managed Club had all the same type.
He may well be able to manage the various characters but there is guaranteed to be a fall out somewhere along the way in other areas. It's just his way.
I think you're taking the wrong lesson from that incident. Pearce himself said of that: "From there he settled my nerves, so I had someone to turn around and say 'I'll show you!'. "It was great psychology. Cloughie was a psychologist, a fantastic forerunner to psychology in football.” Exactly. And that was the Clough way. He had to use that type of tactic. He couldn't use the tactic of putting an arm around a players shoulder and, somewhat, pandering to him. They all had to be "his way".
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Post by 68 on Feb 19, 2021 12:29:52 GMT
Another misconception is that Barton would come in and tear strips off the players and kick backsides. Maybe when the time is right, but Barton is just as likely to come in and put an arm round the shoulder. He recently discussed his time as a player at Newcastle in the relegation scrap season when Shearer came in late on. He tried to install a disciplinarian approach when all that was needed with some of the players was some words of encouragement/direction and an arm around their shoulder. That's the key to any Management position. You either bring in people who fit your criteria or you are able to motivate different personalities in the appropriate way for them (on the cricket front Brearley was the master of the latter). One of the reasons why Clough was never appointed as England Manager. Brilliant at kicking asses like Stuart Pearce (have you seen the reaction when he told Clough he was in the England squad?) but didn't have a Scooby at how to deal with a player who needed an arm round his shoulder. The best for England had various characters whereas the best at a Clough Managed Club had all the same type.
He may well be able to manage the various characters but there is guaranteed to be a fall out somewhere along the way in other areas. It's just his way.
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Post by 68 on Feb 16, 2021 12:46:13 GMT
Looks like Barton is the clear favourite and is the obvious choice in my opinion. We haven't won in 10, losing 8, we need a manager that can make an immediate impact. None of the other potential candidates have recent fairly successful managerial experience in League 1 and would therefore know oppositions strengths and weaknesses. He'd also have some knowledge of our players from previous meetings with Fleetwood. Some would argue that the poll shows 58.97% don't want Barton but second in the poll is Cook and using that method 83.76% don't want him. Think you need a "who don't you want" poll to establish that.
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Post by 68 on Feb 13, 2021 13:34:59 GMT
Following the denial of any responsibility I think there is only one person who can see this out until the end of the season.
Perhaps Mansell can try to work alongside him?
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