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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 24, 2017 9:13:47 GMT
Amounts of between £100m - £800m have been quoted as what some clubs are paying for training grounds. Surely £1m - £8m.
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Post by oldgas on Jun 24, 2017 11:11:39 GMT
When Higgs and the clowns left we owed about £10m. The new board paid it off on the basis that its repaid when we sell the mem simples. Just a shame they are stating Dwayne sports Are based on jersey as we lose the moral high ground some what with the red noncesTurd, it becomes apparent the Sh1!heads are totally obsessed with Rovers, several of the more intelligent swap It's not the same thing at all! The rosy cheeked Lady Garden, aka Saint Sir Steve, the Duke of Guernsey, deliberately moved his domicile to the Channel Islands with the express intent of avoiding paying as much UK income tax as possible. After all, the poor chap is only worth about £1 billion, we can't expect the poor dear to do the same as everyone else and pay his rightful dues, taxes are only for the poor, not the mega rich. As a result of his disgraceful tax dodging, he has limited access to the UK and can only spend so many days per year here. Dwane Sports is an entirely different entity, as are the AlQuadi family. They are Jordanian citizens and pay their taxes to the Jordanian government. They are therefore free to come and go in this country as they please, and no doubt have the necessary visas so to do. Dwain Sports is no doubt an entirely loss making enterprise, and would therefore incur no tax liabilities if based in the UK. Reading the mammoth Gas thread on One Turd it becomes apparent the Sh1!heads are totally obsessed with Rovers. Some of the swamp-dwellers are even stalking the Al Quadi family, carrying out Companies House checks on everything Rovers related. They really are showing signs of mental breakdown. They should chill and concent ate on their own club. And what's their continued obsession with Tampax? He's gone. He used you to progress to the next level. He's going to play in the Prem. YOU MEAN NOTHING TO HIM! PS. I seem to remember that one of the conditions set by UWE before they entered into a contract to build the stadium was that Rovers put the Mem up as collateral, to insure they wouldn't lose out if for some reason the project failed. Perhaps this charge has been laid to facilitate that. The records keep tumbling! my thread has been copied on its entirety onto the One Turd mammoth Gas thread. Some lame p1ss take about Sainsburys, and a comparison between Lambert and Tampax. It appears to have evaded them that Lambert was our player whereas Tampax was only ever going to spend one season with them. No doubt the all-pervading smell of sh1t every time he played at home had something to do with that. There is even a reference to the Shithead snake getting us out of the Conference. Well done, Shithead. He was actually our player at the time, recognise a theme here? He belongs to you now and you're welcome to the evil little sh1t. Rest assured, he'll crap on you when it suits him, it's only a matter of time. In the meantime, you suit each other down to the ground. The only question is, is there another club which is shittier, and has more unpleasant, odious fans than you to go to? I have to admit, that's got me stumped. Finally, there seems to be no comment regarding comparisons over the tax status of the rosy faced lady garden, and the Al Quadis and Dwain Sports. I wonder why? Perhaps even your average Shithead knows there's no argument to be made. Obsessed? Of course they're not.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 24, 2017 11:21:21 GMT
Does anybody understand what this means? Charge code 0450 1223 0020 Created 31 May 2017 Delivered 19 June 2017 Persons entitled Dwane Sports Limited Status Outstanding Brief description The memorial stadium, filton avenue, horfield, bristol, BS7… beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04501223/chargesThat makes for some very sobering reading. If you filter to debt outstanding then it's just to Dwane sports and against the mem. IF have read it right the rest goes to show how lackadaisical the previous board was. It certainly gives credence to the many who tried to warn us about the way the club was being run. Robbing Peter to pay Paul. I cant help but wonder why we would have an outstanding debt to Dwane sports though but then, maths and accountancy was never my strong point even though I managed to get a pass in "A" level economics with a C. I still don't know how I passed that exam
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Post by piratesquarters on Jun 24, 2017 11:25:46 GMT
When does the football start?
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Post by pirate on Jun 24, 2017 11:27:03 GMT
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 24, 2017 11:28:56 GMT
Money - Pink Floyd Money, get away Get a good job with more pay and you're O.K. Money, it's a gas Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash New car, caviar, four star daydream, Think I'll buy me a football team A very prescient album as was Animals. It's still as relevant today as it was when it first came out. I am a huge Pink Floyd and Roger Waters fan boy and can highly recommend the new Waters album, entitled is this the life we really want. Powerful and solid lyrics and produced by radioheads Nigel Goodrich. It's a grower for sure.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jun 24, 2017 11:33:12 GMT
I'm a Gashead not an accountant. I'm not ITK. The Al Qadi own BRFC they also own Dywanne Sport I understand. So the £10m loan against the mem is the left hand giving it to the right hand? My thoughts are as follows and many pessimists might like it and more optimists will think otherwise. The mem was set up as security against UWE failing during construction phase. If this £10 loan is not related to this then other arrangements may or may not have been agreed. It also suggests that if not related then perhaps in the medium to long term the mem is going nowhere. Unless of course plan B to rebuild it is on the cards. The £10m could be used to fund or part fund the following. Players, training ground or UWE. Highly unlikely to pay off any debts as debts don't incur tax whereas profits do. Amounts of between £100m - £800m have been quoted as what some clubs are paying for training grounds. Hamer is quoted as saying the training ground will be complete for preseason training next season (no mention of landing lights) the extent and quality within the above figures have yet to be disclosed. BRFC were looking at CAT 2 Academy status facilities not the Bristol Rugby 4 pitches and beer bar after match buildings. If I recall UWE as a total package was £80m at signing date. Must be £100m at any proposed construction date. (have I seen the figure somewhere else?) Where does the £10m fit into all this. Seems small money to me if all the things our dreams are made of come true. Mr Al Qadi some time ago on YouTube expressed disappointment at how long things took to come to fruition in the UK. As UWE came as a bolt out of the blue to most fans (thanks Mr Higgs, up yours Higgs haters) perhaps I can dream ever bigger and Mr Al Qadi has an even bigger better plan up his sleeve, hence the delays? Goodnight Irene i'll see you in my dreams. And when I wake up it will all be true UTG Who has quoted 100-800 million for a training ground?? Manchester City had one built with everything, the best of its kind and that cost £200,000 million. Most clubs spend no where near that.
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Post by pirate on Jun 24, 2017 11:42:09 GMT
It's unbelievable that 'poorblue' is praising Nick Higgs. The man who oversaw one of the worst moments in our history, relegation to non-league for the first time, and the the man who FAILED in his stadium attempts. The man was an unmitigated disaster.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jun 24, 2017 11:43:47 GMT
I'm a Gashead not an accountant. I'm not ITK. The Al Qadi own BRFC they also own Dywanne Sport I understand. So the £10m loan against the mem is the left hand giving it to the right hand? My thoughts are as follows and many pessimists might like it and more optimists will think otherwise. The mem was set up as security against UWE failing during construction phase. If this £10 loan is not related to this then other arrangements may or may not have been agreed. It also suggests that if not related then perhaps in the medium to long term the mem is going nowhere. Unless of course plan B to rebuild it is on the cards. The £10m could be used to fund or part fund the following. Players, training ground or UWE. Highly unlikely to pay off any debts as debts don't incur tax whereas profits do. Amounts of between £100m - £800m have been quoted as what some clubs are paying for training grounds. Hamer is quoted as saying the training ground will be complete for preseason training next season (no mention of landing lights) the extent and quality within the above figures have yet to be disclosed. BRFC were looking at CAT 2 Academy status facilities not the Bristol Rugby 4 pitches and beer bar after match buildings. If I recall UWE as a total package was £80m at signing date. Must be £100m at any proposed construction date. (have I seen the figure somewhere else?) Where does the £10m fit into all this. Seems small money to me if all the things our dreams are made of come true. Mr Al Qadi some time ago on YouTube expressed disappointment at how long things took to come to fruition in the UK. As UWE came as a bolt out of the blue to most fans (thanks Mr Higgs, up yours Higgs haters) perhaps I can dream ever bigger and Mr Al Qadi has an even bigger better plan up his sleeve, hence the delays? Goodnight Irene i'll see you in my dreams. And when I wake up it will all be true UTG Who has quoted 100-800 million for a training ground?? Manchester City had one built with everything, the best of its kind and that cost £200,000 million. Most clubs spend no where near that. . Liverpool's new planned facility will cost £50 million. Swansea state of the art facility cost about £10 million. Fleetwood's cost about £8 million and is supposed to be good. Bet no team has spent over £300 million let alone upto 800 million
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 24, 2017 11:47:26 GMT
Who has quoted 100-800 million for a training ground?? Manchester City had one built with everything, the best of its kind and that cost £200,000 million. Most clubs spend no where near that. £200 million, surely?
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Post by daniel300380 on Jun 24, 2017 11:56:47 GMT
Who has quoted 100-800 million for a training ground?? Manchester City had one built with everything, the best of ivts kind and that cost £200,000 million. Most clubs spend no where near that. £200 million, surely? Yes not sure why I added the extra 0's LOL
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 24, 2017 12:05:55 GMT
Yes not sure why I added the extra 0's LOL I'll send you a cheque for twenty quid if you send me one for a tenner.
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Post by axegas on Jun 24, 2017 12:08:56 GMT
Who has quoted 100-800 million for a training ground?? Manchester City had one built with everything, the best of its kind and that cost £200,000 million. Most clubs spend no where near that. . Liverpool's new planned facility will cost £50 million. Swansea state of the art facility cost about £10 million. Fleetwood's cost about £8 million and is supposed to be good. Bet no team has spent over £300 million let alone upto 800 million Fleetwood stadium is very good for the price and would be great if we could replicate something like that. It looks smart, gives the club a lot more revenue and has been the reason why they have been able to attract mcaleny and Rosler.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 24, 2017 14:07:57 GMT
. Liverpool's new planned facility will cost £50 million. Swansea state of the art facility cost about £10 million. Fleetwood's cost about £8 million and is supposed to be good. Bet no team has spent over £300 million let alone upto 800 million Fleetwood stadium is very good for the price and would be great if we could replicate something like that. It looks smart, gives the club a lot more revenue and has been the reason why they have been able to attract mcaleny and Rosler. Surely the reason they've attracted those two is the £'s they've been offered. Perhaps that's Weal's plan, he's going to offer £1m to each of the new signings we need this summer, as I haven't a clue as to why we now need to borrow up to £10m against the Mem, assuming DS intend financing the UWE and The Colony and not BRFC1883 then it can't be for either for those two developments.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 24, 2017 14:12:29 GMT
Fleetwood stadium is very good for the price and would be great if we could replicate something like that. It looks smart, gives the club a lot more revenue and has been the reason why they have been able to attract mcaleny and Rosler. Surely the reason they've attracted those two is the £'s they've been offered. Perhaps that's Weal's plan, he's going to offer £1m to each of the new signings we need this summer, as I haven't a clue as to why we now need to borrow up to £10m against the Mem, assuming DS intend financing the UWE and The Colony and not BRFC1883 then it can't be for either for those two developments. Harrison's new deal?
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Post by axegas on Jun 24, 2017 14:27:13 GMT
Fleetwood stadium is very good for the price and would be great if we could replicate something like that. It looks smart, gives the club a lot more revenue and has been the reason why they have been able to attract mcaleny and Rosler. Surely the reason they've attracted those two is the £'s they've been offered. Perhaps that's Weal's plan, he's going to offer £1m to each of the new signings we need this summer, as I haven't a clue as to why we now need to borrow up to £10m against the Mem, assuming DS intend financing the UWE and The Colony and not BRFC1883 then it can't be for either for those two developments. Partly the reason the have these £'s is because of the revenues they make from their training ground and new stand. Fleetwood would've been a much better proposition to them because of the facilities there, Mcaleny even said this in his interview. I doubt Wael will be spending millions of pounds on players this summer, there will be a reason behind borrowing the money but as we don't know it all we can do is really speculate much like the speculation around the UWE project. Since no Sainsbury's deal and the mem not being worth that much, I think it is pretty obvious the it will be DS funding any new infrastructure and not 1883 LTD. Sadly without having £m's worth of assets, we need to rely on external investment to deliver new stadiums and Training Grounds ect. Lets hope the al qadi's are the ones who will do this for us.
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Post by swissgas on Jun 24, 2017 15:03:28 GMT
Surely the reason they've attracted those two is the £'s they've been offered. Perhaps that's Weal's plan, he's going to offer £1m to each of the new signings we need this summer, as I haven't a clue as to why we now need to borrow up to £10m against the Mem, assuming DS intend financing the UWE and The Colony and not BRFC1883 then it can't be for either for those two developments. Partly the reason the have these £'s is because of the revenues they make from their training ground and new stand. Fleetwood would've been a much better proposition to them because of the facilities there, Mcaleny even said this in his interview. I doubt Wael will be spending millions of pounds on players this summer, there will be a reason behind borrowing the money but as we don't know it all we can do is really speculate much like the speculation around the UWE project. Since no Sainsbury's deal and the mem not being worth that much, I think it is pretty obvious the it will be DS funding any new infrastructure and not 1883 LTD. Sadly without having £m's worth of assets, we need to rely on external investment to deliver new stadiums and Training Grounds ect. Lets hope the al qadi's are the ones who will do this for us. The newly registered charge at Companies House doesn't relate to a new loan but to the credit line taken out in February 2016 which was used to repay the former shareholder, the MSP Capital loan and to finance ongoing trading losses. From the £10 million made available it's likely that about £9 million has already been spent.
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Post by pirate on Jun 24, 2017 15:16:00 GMT
Surely the reason they've attracted those two is the £'s they've been offered. Perhaps that's Weal's plan, he's going to offer £1m to each of the new signings we need this summer, as I haven't a clue as to why we now need to borrow up to £10m against the Mem, assuming DS intend financing the UWE and The Colony and not BRFC1883 then it can't be for either for those two developments. Partly the reason the have these £'s is because of the revenues they make from their training ground and new stand. Fleetwood would've been a much better proposition to them because of the facilities there, Mcaleny even said this in his interview. It's amazing to think Fleetwood were playing in the North West Counties League in the 04/05 season.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 24, 2017 15:29:16 GMT
Partly the reason the have these £'s is because of the revenues they make from their training ground and new stand. Fleetwood would've been a much better proposition to them because of the facilities there, Mcaleny even said this in his interview. I doubt Wael will be spending millions of pounds on players this summer, there will be a reason behind borrowing the money but as we don't know it all we can do is really speculate much like the speculation around the UWE project. Since no Sainsbury's deal and the mem not being worth that much, I think it is pretty obvious the it will be DS funding any new infrastructure and not 1883 LTD. Sadly without having £m's worth of assets, we need to rely on external investment to deliver new stadiums and Training Grounds ect. Lets hope the al qadi's are the ones who will do this for us. The newly registered charge at Companies House doesn't relate to a new loan but to the credit line taken out in February 2016 which was used to repay the former shareholder, the MSP Capital loan and to finance ongoing trading losses. From the £10 million made available it's likely that about £9 million has already been spent. So why the change now to secure the charge against the Mem, to help finance/guarantee the UWE development, or some other less obvious reason.
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Post by poorblue on Jun 24, 2017 15:47:13 GMT
I'm a Gashead not an accountant. I'm not ITK.
The Al Qadi own BRFC they also own Dywanne Sport I understand. So the £10m loan against the mem is the left hand giving it to the right hand?
My thoughts are as follows and many pessimists might like it and more optimists will think otherwise.
The mem was set up as security against UWE failing during construction phase. If this £10 loan is not related to this then other arrangements may or may not have been agreed. It also suggests that if not related then perhaps in the medium to long term the mem is going nowhere. Unless of course plan B to rebuild it is on the cards.
The £10m could be used to fund or part fund the following. Players, training ground or UWE. Highly unlikely to pay off any debts as debts don't incur tax whereas profits do.
Amounts of between £100m - £800m have been quoted as what some clubs are paying for training grounds. Hamer is quoted as saying the training ground will be complete for preseason training next season (no mention of landing lights) the extent and quality within the above figures have yet to be disclosed. BRFC were looking at CAT 2 Academy status facilities not the Bristol Rugby 4 pitches and beer bar after match buildings.
If I recall UWE as a total package was £80m at signing date. Must be £100m at any proposed construction date. (have I seen the figure somewhere else?)
Where does the £10m fit into all this. Seems small money to me if all the things our dreams are made of come true.
Mr Al Qadi some time ago on YouTube expressed disappointment at how long things took to come to fruition in the UK.
As UWE came as a bolt out of the blue to most fans (thanks Mr Higgs, up yours Higgs haters) perhaps I can dream ever bigger and Mr Al Qadi has an even bigger better plan up his sleeve, hence the delays?
Goodnight Irene i'll see you in my dreams. And when I wake up it will all be true
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Who has quoted 100-800 million for a training ground?? Manchester City had one built with everything, the best of its kind and that cost £200,000 million. Most clubs spend no where near that.
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It's unbelievable that 'poorblue' is praising Nick Higgs. The man who oversaw one of the worst moments in our history, relegation to non-league for the first time, and the the man who FAILED in his stadium attempts. The man was an unmitigated disaster.
I find it "unbelievable" that some people who call themselves supporters have so much distain for what they say they support. As far as I recall the last Rovers board who owned its own property was way back in the 1930's. They put the club into debt to build the new North Stand at Eastville just before the WW2. (no not the wooden one that burnt down) Football was suspended for the duration of the war and no income was forthcoming. So they sold Eastville to the greyhound company and became tenants. Unable to develop what was not theirs the inevitable happened and they were forced out by the new owners. The Dunfords did the unthinkable and moved the club out of Bristol into Bath. The Dunfords weren't billionaires nor millionaires. As far as I recall no such people came forward to save Rovers, they would have folded into oblivion. The Dunfords survived hand to mouth during these days in exile getting us promoted and a first trip to Wembley. Happy memories beating OTIB to be champions. I recall several attempts by various Rovers boards to get a ground of their own. Hambrook, Severnside and Mangotsfield were all doomed to failure due to lack of money mainly I presume, not the will or desire of each board. The Dunfords got Rovers back into Bristol and later actually got their own ground (under mortgage) The first time in about 60 years that Rovers had its own ground. Not a mean feat for a milkman. Higgs is the only man who actual got planning permission for a new ground. Not once but twice. Not since 1897 has that been achieved. The first attempt was redeveloping the Mem. Planning was gained but work not carried out as a World Recession thwarted finance. Higgs was a millionaire but could not fund the scheme when a funding partner withdrew. Higgs surprised everyone when he pull a rabbit out of the hat and announced UWE. Again he did everything right but was fatally delayed by a Judicial Review (not a village green as others have experienced.) In the time taken to overcome this Review the recession again reared its ugly head and for the second time a financing partner in the shape of Sainsbury withdrew. Higgs was a millionaire but could not fund the scheme when a funding partner withdrew. Thwarted for the second time and not wanting UWE to fail again he pulled a rabbit out of the hat for the second time and sold the club to the Al Qadi's. Any Rovers supporter still alive has never experienced such a feel good factor since they took control. UWE is still alive with funding available. All made possible by the Dunfords and Higgs. They have my respect and thanks, they should have yours. They put their time effort and money into Rovers to keep my dreams alive. Did they make money I hope so as they were business people as well as Rovers fans. All I have ever done is turn up and pay to watch a game. 120 away grounds and counting. Only one club, Arsenal, has never been relegated. Man Utd one of the richest clubs in the world were relegated. I recall a certain nearby club pouring money at new players were also relegated and lost enough money to build a new stadium doing it. IMO Dunford and Higgs only crime was their lack of money. If you haven't got it you can't spend it. Those with it can easily throw it away
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