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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 16:40:37 GMT
Im not going to disect the game or make any emotive comments after a dissapointing result as these things are often unwelcome on here but where do you guys feel we go from here ?
Do we have enough in the squad to make a go of it ? Are the fans mostly still behind DC ?
Ive heard a few mutterings that DC was not a popular choice at board level other then with Higgs and John Ward and i wonder how much time he will be given to get us going this season ? I hope we either give him everything we can or if there is not confidence in him we do something bold.
Hopefully get a win Monday and start stringing a consistant run together. Very dissapointed with the result, i know we cant and wont win every week but i thought we had turned a corner. To be so low down the table is a real shock.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Sept 6, 2014 16:55:55 GMT
Of course we can't win every week but it's the performances both this season and the last 8 games of last that raise huge question marks over Clarke's ability as a manager.
He was quick to tell us how he thought Ward's ways were not his way but with Ward at least I could see organisation and pattern to our play no matter that it was too negative a lot of the time. With Clarke I honestly struggle a lot of the time to know what system we are playing or who is playing where. I think the players are struggling with it too!
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Post by malmersgas on Sept 6, 2014 16:57:22 GMT
I see no sense in changing manager for the first few months at least, so he has my support. Is the squad good enough? Only time will tell.
The one thing that has genuinely worried me, is the seeming lack of ability to land signings, and you have to wonder why that is.
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Post by 1883 on Sept 6, 2014 17:02:17 GMT
i dont see any point in constantly changing the manager, but after seeing todays performance I think;
DC isnt up to the task We will lose against Wrexham We will also lose away at Lincoln Then maybe a couple of OK results to paper over the cracks Higgs said he will review after 10 games, & I think DC will then have to go.
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Post by gastee on Sept 6, 2014 17:03:09 GMT
I have no idea where we go from here. Always a false dawn when we go a couple of matches unbeaten. We have an unambitious losing culture at this club which we just can't seem to shake off. It's going to get uglier yet still. This club has cancer.
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Post by Raj Gas on Sept 6, 2014 17:08:47 GMT
So far I have seen 3 games this season and the hoof from the back to a target man hasn't changed in my view, it slows us down completely and makes it easy to defend against.
It sounded as though Ellis coming on in games was introducing much needed pace, with players away on International duty we need good replacements otherwise this will really hinder us.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 17:09:17 GMT
True we can't win every week, but if we are going to get out of this god forsaken league we have to win nearly every week from now on. I would love to be proved wrong, but I do not think Darrell Clarke is the man to get us out of this league. If we could have had just one convincing win since he took over I might think differently, but even the ones we have won have been touch and go.
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Post by smudge1 on Sept 6, 2014 17:09:25 GMT
Just fed up to the back teeth of it! Why are we so poor? These are decent players at this level who would go to another club and do well! Just want to enjoy my Saturday's. A club like York unbeaten in 23 games, why cannot we do as well as clubs like this. Just need a tonic and to see the players and manager produce what they are paid for. I better not start on the board!! One p****d off gashead.
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Post by mjhgas on Sept 6, 2014 17:12:30 GMT
Mid table obscurity and crowds of 3,000.
This squad should be good enough to be in the top 7 - FGR, Halifax & Grimsby games prove that we can compete.
If the squad lacks motivation to play against part-timers or the will to win week in week out, then I'm blaming the bloke in charge whose job is to get the best out of them.
I would also say that Mansell & Monkhouse need to raise their games - senior pro's strolling through games isn't good enough.
Review complete - no-one at the top cares enough to change things.
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Post by beaver132 on Sept 6, 2014 17:13:47 GMT
I have absolutely no idea what we should do. This is so mind numbing. If this was the fa cup we would have been expected to slaughter these teams. That fact that we are loosing so easily is shocking. We were well beaten by Braintree. Let's say that again, Braintree. That is unacceptable. Lack of ideas that goes way back before Clarke. No hope of signings, no one wants to come, or want stupid terms, but other teams get players who produce. Mystifying. We are simply not good enough to survive. Sad.
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Post by CornishPasty_Gas on Sept 6, 2014 17:21:21 GMT
Simple answer to this question...
The Pub!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 17:23:59 GMT
My understanding is there was a huge row at board level after Mansfield mostly over the DC / JW decision. I was also told part of the boardroom fall out alongside funding issues pre season was whether to go for DC or not this year.
I believe he was for the chop if we didnt beat Telford and im not sure where DC stands tonight. A couple of wins and a draw but now this. I think he needs a very big 7 days now.
Its a tough call and very few calls seem to work for us. Over to you Chris Jelf, good luck you are going to need it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 17:42:17 GMT
John Still won 7 of his first 20 in charge of Luton, and yet he is perceived as the messiah. I have to say these things take time, the team have shown they have the ability in brief spells (1st half against Forest Green, last 10 against Halifax, 10 minutes or so against Telford) but it's all about mentality and consistency at this moment in time.
As long as we are comfortable and start picking up a few more results, I'm willing to give DC a fair bit of time to make mistakes - after all he is relatively inexperienced at this level and at least has the right intentions. Once promoted with Salisbury it took him 12 months to adapt to Conference South, maybe that is the case with the Conference.
Might be an unpopular view that, but when you've been in freefall since the turn of the decade I think it's maybe time to consider that we need to start building. Yes there will be errors along the way, and it may take time for the team to adapt to Conference life and playing sides like Braintree and Altrincham, but they will be better for it in the long run.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 17:55:10 GMT
John Still won 7 of his first 20 in charge of Luton, and yet he is perceived as the messiah. I have to say these things take time, the team have shown they have the ability in brief spells (1st half against Forest Green, last 10 against Halifax, 10 minutes or so against Telford) but it's all about mentality and consistency at this moment in time. As long as we are comfortable and start picking up a few more results, I'm willing to give DC a fair bit of time to make mistakes - after all he is relatively inexperienced at this level and at least has the right intentions. Once promoted with Salisbury it took him 12 months to adapt to Conference South, maybe that is the case with the Conference. Might be an unpopular view that, but when you've been in freefall since the turn of the decade I think it's maybe time to consider that we need to start building. Yes there will be errors along the way, and it may take time for the team to adapt to Conference life and playing sides like Braintree and Altrincham, but they will be better for it in the long run. John Still is an experienced and respected manager, whatever decision we make with DC will be a much bigge gamble then the one Luton took.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 18:20:22 GMT
John Still won 7 of his first 20 in charge of Luton, and yet he is perceived as the messiah. I have to say these things take time, the team have shown they have the ability in brief spells (1st half against Forest Green, last 10 against Halifax, 10 minutes or so against Telford) but it's all about mentality and consistency at this moment in time. As long as we are comfortable and start picking up a few more results, I'm willing to give DC a fair bit of time to make mistakes - after all he is relatively inexperienced at this level and at least has the right intentions. Once promoted with Salisbury it took him 12 months to adapt to Conference South, maybe that is the case with the Conference. Might be an unpopular view that, but when you've been in freefall since the turn of the decade I think it's maybe time to consider that we need to start building. Yes there will be errors along the way, and it may take time for the team to adapt to Conference life and playing sides like Braintree and Altrincham, but they will be better for it in the long run. John Still is an experienced and respected manager, whatever decision we make with DC will be a much bigge gamble then the one Luton took. Very true, but my main point is that despite Still being viewed as possessing some kind of divine status on here, he too struggled initially to turn around a club in relative turmoil. Unless somebody with experience of getting out of this league whilst not being a dinosaur becomes available (because I can't see us paying out for a manager), I'd like us to keep DC because otherwise we're just taking another risk. The only managers I could see becoming available in the near future - and they're massive long shots - is Paul Tisdale and Justin Edinburgh. Both still young, encourage good football and most importantly have won promotion from the Conference recently. If the club were willing to pay out, I'd take Garry Hill at Woking or Gary Mills at Gateshead (hilariously similar names, I know). With Mills being my first choice. That's it, no other realistic options exist for me.
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Post by gaseous on Sept 6, 2014 18:39:46 GMT
John Still won 7 of his first 20 in charge of Luton, and yet he is perceived as the messiah. I have to say these things take time, the team have shown they have the ability in brief spells (1st half against Forest Green, last 10 against Halifax, 10 minutes or so against Telford) but it's all about mentality and consistency at this moment in time. As long as we are comfortable and start picking up a few more results, I'm willing to give DC a fair bit of time to make mistakes - after all he is relatively inexperienced at this level and at least has the right intentions. Once promoted with Salisbury it took him 12 months to adapt to Conference South, maybe that is the case with the Conference. Might be an unpopular view that, but when you've been in freefall since the turn of the decade I think it's maybe time to consider that we need to start building. Yes there will be errors along the way, and it may take time for the team to adapt to Conference life and playing sides like Braintree and Altrincham, but they will be better for it in the long run. I agree, we just don't have a winning mentality within our club and haven't for a very long time. That will not come over night, I believe we have to be patient, it is very hard to say but very true, we can't expect to turn up and beat these teams, they might be part time but they do have a very good home record. It is a very sad decline.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 18:39:53 GMT
I think keeping or sacking DC is a massive gamble. So hard to know which way to go. Hopefully Chris Jelf is working on a back up plan.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 18:46:41 GMT
But why aren't we turning over teams like this? Not being funny and I get all the 'we have no divine right' stuff but come on. If they are training twice a week and we are training all week then we SHOULD be beating the likes of Braintree. There's no two ways about it.
Grimsby, Barnet don't have this issue.
Something isn't right. I have no idea what that is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 18:47:22 GMT
This is only a criticism of myself but i think i have struggled to get over my belief that DCs appointment as assistant manager was an accident not a brain wave and his appointment as manager an act of desperation that never worked. I fail to see how we could hire someone as manager without interview or competetive process especially as its not like we were succesfull when he was on the coaching staff so we could describe him as an exellent coach. His start as a manager last year was poor as was pre season and the start of this.
That aside sacking managers hasnt worked for us and we have not played many games this season. After the last 3 games i felt we had turned a corner and would start improving. This i a really really tough call to make. I think this month will make or break him. I wish him well as he is a nice bloke who really wants to do well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 19:09:05 GMT
How had we turned a corner? We weren't exactly great against Telford and Halifax can feel very hard done by not to have got at least a point.
DC has to go.
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