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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 10:26:25 GMT
Dinsdale, you say get Higgs out and secure his loans against the stadium. Quite how does that stand up to the prerequisite from UWE that there must be NO debt attached to the stadium? They put that in as a red line that will not change. What we need is someone to come in and take over the whole thing with perhaps NH kept on board to see through the stadium project. Its no good asking people to inject a few hundred thousand here or there, coz we lose that and more every season. It needs a total revamp. Gasincider, we have already done that with Geoff Dunford since he left, the line has been crossed already. I would wager Geoff has put in as much or even more money then Higgs. Anyway its about the stadium not having debt not the club, the stadium company and the football business are two seperate entities.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 18:49:41 GMT
There are options but they carry risks I think Jelfs plan of Colin Williams as chairman, Mike Turl in for Watola would be good and let Higgs focus on the stadium. If Higgs wants to leave we can secure his loans against the stadium untill we can pay them off like we have just done with Geoff. Nick Higgs focuses on the stadium plans That glass is half full still. Of useless foam and throth, but still...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 21:36:07 GMT
Sorry but it's a complete joke and totally unacceptable we are a full time professional team losing against part time crap, Clarke out all management out board out start again before we totally dissappear, embarrassing embarrassing rubbish goodnight Irene every season full time conference teams sometimes lose to part time teams,every season part time teams beat league teams in the fa cup including rovers and city teams of the past,braintree were 6th last season?
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Post by swissgas on Sept 7, 2014 22:14:52 GMT
Sorry but it's a complete joke and totally unacceptable we are a full time professional team losing against part time crap, Clarke out all management out board out start again before we totally dissappear, embarrassing embarrassing rubbish goodnight Irene every season full time conference teams sometimes lose to part time teams,every season part time teams beat league teams in the fa cup including rovers and city teams of the past,braintree were 6th last season? When we were in League 1 we looked down on teams like Yeovil and MK Dons and made the excuse that "every dog has it's day" when they did better than us. When we were in League 2 we looked down on teams like Accrington and Morecambe and made the excuse that "every dog has it's day" when they did better than us. Now we are in the Conference Premier we look down on teams like Altrincham and Braintree and make the excuse that "every dog has it's day" when they beat us. Do you think it's possible that it's Bristol Rovers who are going to the dogs ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 22:26:26 GMT
every season full time conference teams sometimes lose to part time teams,every season part time teams beat league teams in the fa cup including rovers and city teams of the past,braintree were 6th last season? When we were in League 1 we looked down on teams like Yeovil and MK Dons and made the excuse that "every dog has it's day" when they did better than us. When we were in League 2 we looked down on teams like Accrington and Morecambe and made the excuse that "every dog has it's day" when they did better than us. Now we are in the Conference Premier we look down on teams like Altrincham and Braintree and make the excuse that "every dog has it's day" when they beat us. Do you think it's possible that it's Bristol Rovers who are going to the dogs ? maybe your right,we need to have a team in the promotion scrap and right now it dosnt look promising but if were in the pack to go up we will sometimes lose to part time teams,i bet luton did last season? its very hard to stay optimistic i agree,losing matches is a very bad habit and our present team and manager havnt been convincing but i havnt given up on them yet.
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Post by swissgas on Sept 7, 2014 22:55:57 GMT
When we were in League 1 we looked down on teams like Yeovil and MK Dons and made the excuse that "every dog has it's day" when they did better than us. When we were in League 2 we looked down on teams like Accrington and Morecambe and made the excuse that "every dog has it's day" when they did better than us. Now we are in the Conference Premier we look down on teams like Altrincham and Braintree and make the excuse that "every dog has it's day" when they beat us. Do you think it's possible that it's Bristol Rovers who are going to the dogs ? maybe your right,we need to have a team in the promotion scrap and right now it dosnt look promising but if were in the pack to go up we will sometimes lose to part time teams,i bet luton did last season? its very hard to stay optimistic i agree,losing matches is a very bad habit and our present team and manager havnt been convincing but i havnt given up on them yet. I can't get to matches 1973 so I'm at a disadvantage ( I think ) But it does seem very much like the last few seasons when a fortunate win or draw has covered up the cracks and fans have let out a sigh of relief that the "green shoots" had suddenly appeared only for the next game to be an absolute disaster. This is a pattern that has kept repeating itself and in it's way the fans reaction is natural because most want something good to happen and most will clutch at any straw they can find. The most relevant criticism IMO is that the players we have signed are players no one wanted and they were desperate to get fixed up with a club. They were not "in demand" players who were on an upward curve and whom we had to compete to sign but rather they were players with one or more question marks about their technical ability, mental attitude, fitness level or motivation for wanting to join us. Now we don't necessarily have to be defeatist about this situation but what we have to do is to overcome the deficiencies which other clubs have seen in these players and draw out the potential which we think they have. That is the challenge we face and that's why I was making the points last week about the quality of our coaching team. If we are working with low grade raw material we need higher grade coaches who are capable of using a bit of nous to get the best out of it. The topic title is Clarke out Board out and IMO the problem rests entirely with Nick Higgs and the board. Like most fans they are desperate for something good to happen, and they will clutch at any straw in the wind to find it, but the trouble is they are always after a quick fix. They have not put any thought into how they are going to achieve success with an inexperienced manager and coaching team combined with a team of cheap players with serious question marks against them. All they have done is take a hit and hope approach like they always do. The victims will be Darrell Clarke, Marcus Stewart, Steve Yates, players like Stuart Sinclair who will not fulfill their dream and of course, as always, the Rovers fans.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2014 8:49:29 GMT
maybe your right,we need to have a team in the promotion scrap and right now it dosnt look promising but if were in the pack to go up we will sometimes lose to part time teams,i bet luton did last season? its very hard to stay optimistic i agree,losing matches is a very bad habit and our present team and manager havnt been convincing but i havnt given up on them yet. I can't get to matches 1973 so I'm at a disadvantage ( I think ) But it does seem very much like the last few seasons when a fortunate win or draw has covered up the cracks and fans have let out a sigh of relief that the "green shoots" had suddenly appeared only for the next game to be an absolute disaster. This is a pattern that has kept repeating itself and in it's way the fans reaction is natural because most want something good to happen and most will clutch at any straw they can find. The most relevant criticism IMO is that the players we have signed are players no one wanted and they were desperate to get fixed up with a club. They were not "in demand" players who were on an upward curve and whom we had to compete to sign but rather they were players with one or more question marks about their technical ability, mental attitude, fitness level or motivation for wanting to join us. Now we don't necessarily have to be defeatist about this situation but what we have to do is to overcome the deficiencies which other clubs have seen in these players and draw out the potential which we think they have. That is the challenge we face and that's why I was making the points last week about the quality of our coaching team. If we are working with low grade raw material we need higher grade coaches who are capable of using a bit of nous to get the best out of it. The topic title is Clarke out Board out and IMO the problem rests entirely with Nick Higgs and the board. Like most fans they are desperate for something good to happen, and they will clutch at any straw in the wind to find it, but the trouble is they are always after a quick fix. They have not put any thought into how they are going to achieve success with an inexperienced manager and coaching team combined with a team of cheap players with serious question marks against them. All they have done is take a hit and hope approach like they always do. The victims will be Darrell Clarke, Marcus Stewart, Steve Yates, players like Stuart Sinclair who will not fulfill their dream and of course, as always, the Rovers fans. its hard to argue with all that,im not writing off the team yet but right now they are looking like a mid table or even bottom half team,,,,,,the old problem with the board is who is going to come in and buy them out? its clear we need investment but from where?
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Post by ganymede on Sept 8, 2014 14:32:57 GMT
Sorry but it's a complete joke and totally unacceptable we are a full time professional team losing against part time crap, Clarke out all management out board out start again before we totally dissappear, embarrassing embarrassing rubbish goodnight Irene My view on DC is changing (for the worse). In different threads Dinsdale has documented the chain of events for his appointment and if things had been done in an open and competitive way it is likely DC would not have been appointed. However, I cannot see a miracle cure. Also DC (to the best of my knowledge) has not "lost the dressing room". We are were we are. I intend to be there tomorrow night supporting Rovers as best as I can (including DC); if nothing else we should give him a fair crack of the whip which should be at least 10 games.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 4:55:22 GMT
DC was the perfect appointment for the BoD. If it goes belly up, he bears the brunt of the abuse from the fans, and the BoD will be commended for calling time on his reign. If it works out well, the BoD will tell us that they always knew he had the makings of a good manager.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 8:18:37 GMT
If we win tonight people will be saying what a bunch of lady gardens we are slaggin off DC and if we lose there will be venom.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 8:43:17 GMT
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Post by peterhooper57 on Sept 9, 2014 10:35:50 GMT
Dinsdale, you say get Higgs out and secure his loans against the stadium. Quite how does that stand up to the prerequisite from UWE that there must be NO debt attached to the stadium? They put that in as a red line that will not change. What we need is someone to come in and take over the whole thing with perhaps NH kept on board to see through the stadium project. Its no good asking people to inject a few hundred thousand here or there, coz we lose that and more every season. It needs a total revamp. Like your enthusiasm. However, we all know the UWE stadium is dead, just Higgs has not got the ********* to say so, as he knows he will be laughed out of town. The real deal is the state of the team, I have been to every game so far this season, and apart from FGR away, I have been so disappointed, especially at Barnet, Altricham and Braintree (a game during which clarke spent the whole game sat on the bench). Clarke must know he is out of his depth and is a dead man walking as manager of BRFC. And yes, I would like to see Colin Williams, Mr Roman Glass as our new Chairman. UTG
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Post by Centenary Gas on Sept 9, 2014 21:09:34 GMT
3 wins and a draw from the last 5. 10 points from the last 5 games. Thats win the league form after a difficult set of fixtures.
Can we wait more than 1-3 games before talking of sacking the manager?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 21:13:15 GMT
3 wins and a draw from the last 5. 10 points from the last 5 games. Thats win the league form after a difficult set of fixtures. Can we wait more than 1-3 games before talking of sacking the manager? People's emotions are quite heightened at the moment, which after the last few years is understandable. Whilst I'm not going to get carried away with the result tonight, the performance (last 10 minutes aside - again understandable) was promising. Should have had a few more goals really and killed the game off.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Sept 9, 2014 21:19:44 GMT
3 wins and a draw from the last 5. 10 points from the last 5 games. Thats win the league form after a difficult set of fixtures. Can we wait more than 1-3 games before talking of sacking the manager? People's emotions are quite heightened at the moment, which after the last few years is understandable. Whilst I'm not going to get carried away with the result tonight, the performance (last 10 minutes aside - again understandable) was promising. Should have had a few more goals really and killed the game off. True, it's very frustrating that we are beating the form teams at home and then losing to Altrincham (we were their only points until last week) away. Home: Win 3 drawn 1 Away Lost 3 drawn 1 If we can pick up a win at Lincoln somehow, with a home game to come we will have some good momentum.
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Post by markczgas on Sept 9, 2014 21:34:04 GMT
3 wins and a draw from the last 5. 10 points from the last 5 games. Thats win the league form after a difficult set of fixtures. Can we wait more than 1-3 games before talking of sacking the manager? the league doesn't work like that. we have played 8 and are 15th . We have scored 6 goals in 8 games. Our away form is the same as last season. I remember Steve Claridge commenting on Rovers last season and our dreadful away form. He said once you get well into a season and have lost most of your away games then the players go out there not expecting anything - and that's what happened. we couldn't buy a win and that cost us HUGELY. If we carry on as we are away from home we are in for another dreadful season. We are not going to threaten promotion over 46 games are we ? For me not threatening promotion will be a massive massive failure again. Ok celebrate a win but there is nothing at all to suggest that OUR club is on its way back.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Sept 9, 2014 21:39:37 GMT
3 wins and a draw from the last 5. 10 points from the last 5 games. Thats win the league form after a difficult set of fixtures. Can we wait more than 1-3 games before talking of sacking the manager? the league doesn't work like that. we have played 8 and are 15th . We have scored 6 goals in 8 games. Our away form is the same as last season. I remember Steve Claridge commenting on Rovers last season and our dreadful away form. He said once you get well into a season and have lost most of your away games then the players go out there not expecting anything - and that's what happened. we couldn't buy a win and that cost us HUGELY. If we carry on as we are away from home we are in for another dreadful season. We are not going to threaten promotion over 46 games are we ? For me not threatening promotion will be a massive massive failure again. Ok celebrate a win but there is nothing at all to suggest that OUR club is on its way back. Nothing to suggest we are improving? 10 points from the last 5 is exactly that, and certainly doesn't deserve any 'Clarke Out' BS.
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Post by markczgas on Sept 9, 2014 21:50:38 GMT
the league doesn't work like that. we have played 8 and are 15th . We have scored 6 goals in 8 games. Our away form is the same as last season. I remember Steve Claridge commenting on Rovers last season and our dreadful away form. He said once you get well into a season and have lost most of your away games then the players go out there not expecting anything - and that's what happened. we couldn't buy a win and that cost us HUGELY. If we carry on as we are away from home we are in for another dreadful season. We are not going to threaten promotion over 46 games are we ? For me not threatening promotion will be a massive massive failure again. Ok celebrate a win but there is nothing at all to suggest that OUR club is on its way back. Nothing to suggest we are improving? 10 points from the last 5 is exactly that, and certainly doesn't deserve any 'Clarke Out' BS. Sorry I didn't write Clarke out . i'm just talking about the facts - league position. goals scored, away record. as far as my opinion on Clarke - I don't think he should have been kept on after last season, but as he's still here - i would have got an experienced ex-manager in as his assistant cos I think he needs guidance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 22:42:24 GMT
3 wins and a draw from the last 5. 10 points from the last 5 games. Thats win the league form after a difficult set of fixtures. Can we wait more than 1-3 games before talking of sacking the manager? Of course it is daft to consider sacking the manager after 3 games. However, it is not 3 games depending on where you want to start. The pre season might be considered. Then there is our disastrous results against non league teams and our away form. It is usually too early to call out the gaffer after 3 games but it is equally too early to celebrate 5 game streaks, especially considering the team is very hit n miss atm. We still don't seem to have settled down. Tonight didn't exactly sound like a walk in the park and we are still to dominate a team convincingly.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Sept 9, 2014 22:57:23 GMT
3 wins and a draw from the last 5. 10 points from the last 5 games. Thats win the league form after a difficult set of fixtures. Can we wait more than 1-3 games before talking of sacking the manager? Of course it is daft to consider sacking the manager after 3 games. However, it is not 3 games depending on where you want to start. The pre season might be considered. Then there is our disastrous results against non league teams and our away form. It is usually too early to call out the gaffer after 3 games but it is equally too early to celebrate 5 game streaks, especially considering the team is very hit n miss atm. We still don't seem to have settled down. Tonight didn't exactly sound like a walk in the park and we are still to dominate a team convincingly. Two points: 1. It's not celebrating a 5 game streak, it's pointing out that people were calling for his head during that streak over which we achieved a promotion points average. 2. It was 3 games after he assembled his own squad. Surely you cannot be taking pre season games seriously. And in those games, we played some very good stuff against league one Coventry by all accounts, and I watched us match Yeovil and Cheltenham (both away) in general play and pass Gloucester off the part. The other games were full of tralists. Lack of goals was a concern but winning 1-0 gives the same points return as 5-0. It's all about points, and we are going in the right direction. If we don't get enough, DC will be gone. But as long as it is going in the right direction I will forgive one away defeat despite the less than famous name of the top 10 opposition.
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