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Post by RD on Sept 7, 2014 0:15:26 GMT
... but we have to accept right now that we're here for at least another season.
Even if Sir Alex or Mourinho took charge tomorrow, that is the reality of it.
Jury is still out on Clarke - I love listening to him, but the fact is, he has failed to walk the walk so far. By some distance.
Having said that, he has been sailed down the river beyond believe by Tony Twatola with lie after lie in respect of the budget.
For that reason I feel for him. And given this season IS a write-off, do we now sack ANOTHER manager or see a season out and see what happens? Playoffs are out of the question, but IF things do improve, how nice would it be to stick with a manager for once?
Don't get me wrong, if it goes any further down hill then cheerio. But this season is over so we now need to sit back and see what happens.
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Post by empirebaypete on Sept 7, 2014 4:53:10 GMT
I'm pretty despondent today. No way am I staying up till 2am next Sunday, to listen to The Rovers.
However I'm still hopeful we can get things going our way. After all didn't Luton get off to a lousy start last season. We really do have to win against Wrexham who's away record is played 3, won 3. I don't know who they played though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 5:07:12 GMT
... but we have to accept right now that we're here for at least another season. Even if Sir Alex or Mourinho took charge tomorrow, that is the reality of it. Jury is still out on Clarke - I love listening to him, but the fact is, he has failed to walk the walk so far. By some distance. Having said that, he has been sailed down the river beyond believe by Tony Twatola with lie after lie in respect of the budget. For that reason I feel for him. And given this season IS a write-off, do we now sack ANOTHER manager or see a season out and see what happens? Playoffs are out of the question, but IF things do improve, how nice would it be to stick with a manager for once? Don't get me wrong, if it goes any further down hill then cheerio. But this season is over so we now need to sit back and see what happens. We still have the second or third biggest budget though
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 8:44:10 GMT
We still have the second or third biggest budget though A lot of which is taken up by the wages of the players who were here last season, which is a bit different from having a big budget to spread fairly evenly throughout the squad. Factor in Toni the Till revising the budget available while DC was chasing players, and you can see why we've ended up with mainly own brand players, rather than Taste the Difference.
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Post by hanham on Sept 7, 2014 8:45:35 GMT
... but we have to accept right now that we're here for at least another season. Even if Sir Alex or Mourinho took charge tomorrow, that is the reality of it. Jury is still out on Clarke - I love listening to him, but the fact is, he has failed to walk the walk so far. By some distance. Having said that, he has been sailed down the river beyond believe by Tony Twatola with lie after lie in respect of the budget. For that reason I feel for him. And given this season IS a write-off, do we now sack ANOTHER manager or see a season out and see what happens? Playoffs are out of the question, but IF things do improve, how nice would it be to stick with a manager for once? Don't get me wrong, if it goes any further down hill then cheerio. But this season is over so we now need to sit back and see what happens. I agree with you mate, but in all reality I did not really expect us to do anything in terms of promotion as at the end of last season we were too far gone. I could start ten threads about the issues we are currently suffering but here is the questions I would love answers to: DC indicated that he would not sign mentally unprepared/strong players. Our most impressive trialist, Ryan Higgins, was not signed but Leadbitter was, why? I am the only person who does not understand what role Lee Brown is meant to be playing? I have never seen him look so uncomfortable. Why can't we win a second ball? Why do we try and play head tennis until the opposition wins the ball rather than get it down on the ground ourselves? Ollie Clarke is a good guy but he looks scared to death on the ball. Why do we persist when Sinclair has much more tenacity and vision? Why do we sign Leadbitter and then play a ball winner like Lockyer at full back when we need someone with his desire in midfield? Ignore the excuse he was due for international duty, why sign Gosling and then resign him to the bench without even the nigh obligatory ten minutes, is this another mistake that DC cannot admit (and I have to sat Gosling looked a fair player in the pre-season friendlies)? Why, do I feel like my football club, one I have invested to much money, emotion and hope in over for over forty years seem not only to have no respect for both myself and other fans but seem to be completely incapable of managing ANY facet of the club. I get the impression that rather than admit they don't know what they are doing and getting someone on board who does, they would rather see this club go to the wall. We all know Mad Dog would probably turn this team around on the pitch, but would the board suffer his home truths and plain talking and the possible bruising to their over inflated egos? not a chance. Until someone who knows football, knows money and puts the club first comes on board we are fcuked. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Sept 7, 2014 9:03:17 GMT
Agreed RD.
I'm not convinced by Clarke, but we HAVE to stick with him for this season (unless relegation seems an option) IMO.
We're on a massive downward spiral that's been going on for 4/5 years. Clarke wasn't going to turn that around in a summer. No one would have. It's going to take time.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Sept 7, 2014 9:07:09 GMT
Agreed RD. I'm not convinced by Clarke, but we HAVE to stick with him for this season (unless relegation seems an option) IMO. We're on a massive downward spiral that's been going on for 4/5 years. Clarke wasn't going to turn that around in a summer. No one would have. It's going to take time. Relegation is not an option.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Sept 7, 2014 9:09:33 GMT
Agreed RD. I'm not convinced by Clarke, but we HAVE to stick with him for this season (unless relegation seems an option) IMO. We're on a massive downward spiral that's been going on for 4/5 years. Clarke wasn't going to turn that around in a summer. No one would have. It's going to take time. As frustrating as it feels this is how it is. Its always going to be hard to go back up first time of asking. Even challenging for it will be a challenge. I'm still convinced Clarke is the man for the job, and with that he needs time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 9:11:30 GMT
Agreed RD. I'm not convinced by Clarke, but we HAVE to stick with him for this season (unless relegation seems an option) IMO. We're on a massive downward spiral that's been going on for 4/5 years. Clarke wasn't going to turn that around in a summer. No one would have. It's going to take time. Sacking managers hasn't worked but DC found his way to this role due to a bizzare set of circumstances. Its now or never for him, I have not seen a single sign that he has what it takes so its time for him to prove everyone wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 9:12:34 GMT
Agreed RD. I'm not convinced by Clarke, but we HAVE to stick with him for this season (unless relegation seems an option) IMO. We're on a massive downward spiral that's been going on for 4/5 years. Clarke wasn't going to turn that around in a summer. No one would have. It's going to take time. As frustrating as it feels this is how it is. Its always going to be hard to go back up first time of asking. Even challenging for it will be a challenge. I'm still convinced Clarke is the man for the job, and with that he needs time. Hi mate, what convinces you ?
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Post by mclovin1883 on Sept 7, 2014 9:59:57 GMT
I personally like Clarke he isn't afraid to say what he wants and yea I am frustrated with how things are going when u take the time and money to go to all the games and you see performances like that obviously it's not good but u gotta look at that first half we were by far the dominant team super save by their goalie and and goal disallowed but u know what the one thing I have noticed about our o so great support, yea we may take a good amount of people away but in what way shape or form do we actually get behind the fans tbh from previous years we are not even a shade of what we used to be and after yesterday it just goes to show do you really think these players want to get shouted at every Saturday by 5 or 600 people maybe these things that they try on the training pitch during the week gets to Saturday they do one thing wrong everyone is on there back so why do they want to start to do things that they think May not be proven to work at the moment I don't see us as the support we have been and I think it's still down to denial about being where we are I am not excepting us playing bad but the things Clarke is saying to he players maybe we need to take note too yes we are Bristol rovers yes we do bring 500 or so away But u are in the conference so get over it we are no bigger than any of the teams in the league now and when we start to realize that we can start to move on and that is the club in its entirety
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 10:16:45 GMT
Agreed RD. I'm not convinced by Clarke, but we HAVE to stick with him for this season (unless relegation seems an option) IMO. We're on a massive downward spiral that's been going on for 4/5 years. Clarke wasn't going to turn that around in a summer. No one would have. It's going to take time. Sacking managers hasn't worked but DC found his way to this role due to a bizzare set of circumstances. Its now or never for him, I have not seen a single sign that he has what it takes so its time for him to prove everyone wrong. Clarke is definitely one of the strangest appointments ever. Why did Ward choose him as an assistant? what did he see in him?. He does not appear to have learnt anything from his time as assistant. Looking back I actually think the start of our slide coincided with his appointment as assistant which accelerated into freefall when he took the reigns.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 10:20:18 GMT
He didn't choose Clarke, all the assistants he wanted knocked us back. He only rang DC to arrange a pre season friendly but got chatting and said come down and be assistant. Ward wanted a former league manager. Thats why DC being manager is a consequence of a bizzare list of random events rather then a strategic decision. That is also what makes a decision on his future different to previous managers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 10:40:42 GMT
He didn't choose Clarke, all the assistants he wanted knocked us back. He only rang DC to arrange a pre season friendly but got chatting and said come down and be assistant. Ward wanted a former league manager. Thats why DC being manager is a consequence of a bizzare list of random events rather then a strategic decision. That is also what makes a decision on his future different to previous managers. Bizarre indeed it sounds like Clarke was appointed as assistant for the sake of making an appointment.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 10:47:11 GMT
Lazy appointment as A.M and manager. Great chance for DC to forge a career though.
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Post by I Voted For Kodos on Sept 7, 2014 11:07:01 GMT
I like DC's passion but he needs a calmer head at times. At half time yesterday he went storming off to the referee before someone more sensible called him back. Going into the team talk we needed to calm down and focus on the second half. The ref wasn't going to change his decision. Players like Parkes needed to simmer down and focus and Clarke clearly let the injustice get to him and then the team. In contrast, Mildenhall calmly walked past the ref had a quick word and walked off.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 14:32:20 GMT
Sounds harsh, but tough, if we have to get through another half a dozen managers so be it. We cannot keep people who are not up to the job set them. A few more games without a much improved performance run and he will have to go, we can't keep dropping down the pyramid.
If he's not good enough, he's not good enough, nothing to do with stability, do we really want stable inadequacies?
Its sad, its not good, but we have to face facts.
Gutted.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 16:39:03 GMT
Sounds harsh, but tough, if we have to get through another half a dozen managers so be it. We cannot keep people who are not up to the job set them. A few more games without a much improved performance run and he will have to go, we can't keep dropping down the pyramid. If he's not good enough, he's not good enough, nothing to do with stability, do we really want stable inadequacies? Its sad, its not good, but we have to face facts. Gutted. Agree, yes sacking managers hasnt worked for us but we cant keep him solely because of that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 17:27:01 GMT
Sounds harsh, but tough, if we have to get through another half a dozen managers so be it. We cannot keep people who are not up to the job set them. A few more games without a much improved performance run and he will have to go, we can't keep dropping down the pyramid. If he's not good enough, he's not good enough, nothing to do with stability, do we really want stable inadequacies? Its sad, its not good, but we have to face facts. Gutted. Agree, yes sacking managers hasnt worked for us but we cant keep him solely because of that. But at the same time, where is the alternative? If the board were to show initiative and ambition by getting somebody like Justin Edinburgh, Gary Mills or Paul Tisdale in, then maybe I'd support them getting rid of Clarke. Experienced at getting out of the Conference, whilst not being dinosaurs of football who have done nothing for 5 years. It would be a similar move to that of Luton when they appointed Still. At the moment though I can only see a useless appointment on the horizon. At that point, you'd surely HAVE to give them a chance - and by that I mean time to build a squad. At least we could say we have a man who has experienced getting out of the division, and surely then the majority of the fanbase would have to get behind him. Unfortunately I can't see anyone becoming available for a while, and our upcoming legal battles etc. probably mean there is very little scope to pay compensation. Therefore, I'd give Clarke till November - or at least until someone of that ilk becomes available. Having said that, the online petition to get rid of Tisdale at Exeter may mean there is a vacancy there soon.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 7, 2014 17:36:31 GMT
Sounds harsh, but tough, if we have to get through another half a dozen managers so be it. We cannot keep people who are not up to the job set them. A few more games without a much improved performance run and he will have to go, we can't keep dropping down the pyramid. If he's not good enough, he's not good enough, nothing to do with stability, do we really want stable inadequacies? Its sad, its not good, but we have to face facts. Gutted. Agree, yes sacking managers hasnt worked for us but we cant keep him solely because of that. and what happens when a new manager comes in and fails in the first 10 games, do we sack him as well ??
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