Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 8:03:55 GMT
Shall we start with a proposed £66billion bill If you like. Tell me more. When you voted leave you were fully aware of that cost? |
|
|
|
Post by LJG on Jul 27, 2017 8:57:00 GMT
If you like. Tell me more. When you voted leave you were fully aware of that cost? When I voted Leave? Check my ballot paper did you? Well firstly the figure you've quoted isn't a "bill". It is the opening position of the other party with which we are in negotiations. That isn't the same as a bill. If a window cleaner comes to your house and says "I'll do the lot for £40" you don't go back inside and say to your wife "We can't go out tonight after all love, I've just got a bill from the window cleaner". Secondly, yes I was aware that it would likely be the EU's position that some further payments would be due in the event of leaving. See here: woodfordfunds.com/economic-impact-brexit-report/#public-sector |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 9:23:24 GMT
When you voted leave you were fully aware of that cost? When I voted Leave? Check my ballot paper did you? Well firstly the figure you've quoted isn't a "bill". It is the opening position of the other party with which we are in negotiations. That isn't the same as a bill. If a window cleaner comes to your house and says "I'll do the lot for £40" you don't go back inside and say to your wife "We can't go out tonight after all love, I've just got a bill from the window cleaner". Secondly, yes I was aware that it would likely be the EU's position that some further payments would be due in the event of leaving. See here: woodfordfunds.com/economic-impact-brexit-report/#public-sectorOn the assumption you voted leave, do you honestly believe that those who did were aware of a multi billion pound cost? |
|
|
|
Post by LJG on Jul 27, 2017 9:55:39 GMT
When I voted Leave? Check my ballot paper did you? Well firstly the figure you've quoted isn't a "bill". It is the opening position of the other party with which we are in negotiations. That isn't the same as a bill. If a window cleaner comes to your house and says "I'll do the lot for £40" you don't go back inside and say to your wife "We can't go out tonight after all love, I've just got a bill from the window cleaner". Secondly, yes I was aware that it would likely be the EU's position that some further payments would be due in the event of leaving. See here: woodfordfunds.com/economic-impact-brexit-report/#public-sectorOn the assumption you voted leave, do you honestly believe that those who did were aware of a multi billion pound cost? Like I said, there isn't a multi-billion pound cost. That's the opening negotiating position on the part of the EU. Were people aware that there would be negotiation prior to leaving? Well we don't know what research people did for themselves. The only thing we know for certain that every voting household in the country received was the government leaflet which explicitly refers to a period of negotiation. That also tries to put the absolute worst spin on everything because it wasn't a balanced overview of the risks so if anything people have been put on notice of all the worst case scenarios.So to say no one knew what they were voting for ignores the reality of public money being spent to put the frighteners on everybody. |
|
|
|
Post by baggins on Jul 27, 2017 10:50:44 GMT
Anyone want me to ruin this thread? Anyone? I'm really good at it.
|
|
|
|
Post by William Wilson on Jul 27, 2017 11:38:57 GMT
If you like. Tell me more. When you voted leave you were fully aware of that cost? I voted leave, and I readily concede that it may turn out to be the worst decision since JFK decided to take the car downtown. Of course, it might. But do you honestly believe that, in the long run, it`s utterly impossible that all this will prove to be beneficial for this country? |
|
|
|
Post by baggins on Jul 27, 2017 11:45:45 GMT
When you voted leave you were fully aware of that cost? I voted leave, and I readily concede that it may turn out to be the worst decision since JFK decided to take the car downtown. Of course, it might. But do you honestly believe that, in the long run, it`s utterly impossible that all this will prove to be beneficial for this country? Difficult. Very difficult. I think we're in for a period of regret and fanciful dreaming that we're important to whether the rest of Europe can survive without us. This morning Paris announced that it has already prepared itself to be the centre of Financial Commerce. We lose our Financial prowese and we're gone. Seriously gone. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 12:11:29 GMT
I voted leave, and I readily concede that it may turn out to be the worst decision since JFK decided to take the car downtown. Of course, it might. But do you honestly believe that, in the long run, it`s utterly impossible that all this will prove to be beneficial for this country? Difficult. Very difficult. I think we're in for a period of regret and fanciful dreaming that we're important to whether the rest of Europe can survive without us. This morning Paris announced that it has already prepared itself to be the centre of Financial Commerce. We lose our Financial prowese and we're gone. Seriously gone. Bags - Seriously, Paris cannot compete with London. Their taxes would stop any mass move to Paris. For example, to take home 1m quid in Paris, you have to earn 7m quid (or Euros). The big money earners will not go there. Can Europe survive without us? Of course they can! Can we survive without Europe? Of course we can! |
|
|
|
Post by baggins on Jul 27, 2017 12:14:29 GMT
Difficult. Very difficult. I think we're in for a period of regret and fanciful dreaming that we're important to whether the rest of Europe can survive without us. This morning Paris announced that it has already prepared itself to be the centre of Financial Commerce. We lose our Financial prowese and we're gone. Seriously gone. Bags - Seriously, Paris cannot compete with London. Their taxes would stop any mass move to Paris. For example, to take home 1m quid in Paris, you have to earn 7m quid (or Euros). The big money earners will not go there. Can Europe survive without us? Of course they can! Can we survive without Europe? Of course we can! Maybe not Paris, we all know how they love to admire themselves, but the importance of London will dwindle. When that happens, where are we? |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 12:15:40 GMT
On the assumption you voted leave, do you honestly believe that those who did were aware of a multi billion pound cost? Like I said, there isn't a multi-billion pound cost. That's the opening negotiating position on the part of the EU. Were people aware that there would be negotiation prior to leaving? Well we don't know what research people did for themselves. The only thing we know for certain that every voting household in the country received was the government leaflet which explicitly refers to a period of negotiation. That also tries to put the absolute worst spin on everything because it wasn't a balanced overview of the risks so if anything people have been put on notice of all the worst case scenarios.So to say no one knew what they were voting for ignores the reality of public money being spent to put the frighteners on everybody. You are correct, it's just a negotiating position. For example, the UK have approx. 35 billion sat in the EU Investment Bank. Do we claim that back as part of the 'settlement'? Do the UK have a stake in the EU assets in Brussels (buildings etc)? If so, does the EU have to buy our stake, or do they have to pay rent to the UK? All to be negotiated. |
|
|
|
Post by LJG on Jul 27, 2017 12:25:31 GMT
I voted leave, and I readily concede that it may turn out to be the worst decision since JFK decided to take the car downtown. Of course, it might. But do you honestly believe that, in the long run, it`s utterly impossible that all this will prove to be beneficial for this country? Difficult. Very difficult. I think we're in for a period of regret and fanciful dreaming that we're important to whether the rest of Europe can survive without us. This morning Paris announced that it has already prepared itself to be the centre of Financial Commerce . We lose our Financial prowese and we're gone. Seriously gone. The European centre sure. Being as we won't be in Europe and they will that seems reasonable. Bloomberg said last month "Despite Brexit, London’s place as a leading global financial center looks safe. Ever since Britain voted to leave the European Union, analysts have debated the City’s fate… Fortunately for the U.K., Brexit itself won’t erode the significant advantages London currently enjoys. Perhaps more importantly, neither will it help European rivals build up similar advantages… These conditions aren’t easily replicated… [London’s] competitive advantages are substantial — and won’t be easily eroded even by a hard Brexit.” Pershing Square Holdings, a £3.6bn hedge fund listed on the LSE in May. Allied Irish Banks have announced they'll float on the LSE - worth about £12bn. The Robert Walters City Job Index rose 17% in June compared to last year. So on the basis of the evidence it looks okay so far. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 12:36:49 GMT
If you want to chat and argue about politics create a thread this was meant to be a light hearted pi$$ take thread not a politics discussion group
|
|
|
|
Post by LJG on Jul 27, 2017 12:40:43 GMT
If you want to chat and argue about politics create a thread this was meant to be a light hearted pi$$ take thread not a politics discussion group Pipe down you earthquake loving, poor hating b*****d! |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 12:43:17 GMT
When you voted leave you were fully aware of that cost? I voted leave, and I readily concede that it may turn out to be the worst decision since JFK decided to take the car downtown. Of course, it might. But do you honestly believe that, in the long run, it`s utterly impossible that all this will prove to be beneficial for this country? No its not utterly impossible of course not. But I do wonder if we will pay a heavy short / medium term price only to end up in the same place (Ie living standards / trend gdp growth) |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 12:45:00 GMT
Difficult. Very difficult. I think we're in for a period of regret and fanciful dreaming that we're important to whether the rest of Europe can survive without us. This morning Paris announced that it has already prepared itself to be the centre of Financial Commerce . We lose our Financial prowese and we're gone. Seriously gone. The European centre sure. Being as we won't be in Europe and they will that seems reasonable. Bloomberg said last month "Despite Brexit, London’s place as a leading global financial center looks safe. Ever since Britain voted to leave the European Union, analysts have debated the City’s fate… Fortunately for the U.K., Brexit itself won’t erode the significant advantages London currently enjoys. Perhaps more importantly, neither will it help European rivals build up similar advantages… These conditions aren’t easily replicated… [London’s] competitive advantages are substantial — and won’t be easily eroded even by a hard Brexit.” Pershing Square Holdings, a £3.6bn hedge fund listed on the LSE in May. Allied Irish Banks have announced they'll float on the LSE - worth about £12bn. The Robert Walters City Job Index rose 17% in June compared to last year. So on the basis of the evidence it looks okay so far. Strange argument to make when the big discussion is about a balanced economy |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 12:46:02 GMT
If you want to chat and argue about politics create a thread this was meant to be a light hearted pi$$ take thread not a politics discussion group No This is a democracy, which is why you are allowed to post pre teen bollox |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 12:48:04 GMT
If you want to chat and argue about politics create a thread this was meant to be a light hearted pi$$ take thread not a politics discussion group Pipe down you earthquake loving, poor hating b*****d! I started the thread think I have the right to say what I like don't like it then jog on in jiggy movements. As I was politely reminded attack the post not the poster |
|
|
|
Post by baggins on Jul 27, 2017 12:54:33 GMT
Difficult. Very difficult. I think we're in for a period of regret and fanciful dreaming that we're important to whether the rest of Europe can survive without us. This morning Paris announced that it has already prepared itself to be the centre of Financial Commerce . We lose our Financial prowese and we're gone. Seriously gone. The European centre sure. Being as we won't be in Europe and they will that seems reasonable. Bloomberg said last month "Despite Brexit, London’s place as a leading global financial center looks safe. Ever since Britain voted to leave the European Union, analysts have debated the City’s fate… Fortunately for the U.K., Brexit itself won’t erode the significant advantages London currently enjoys. Perhaps more importantly, neither will it help European rivals build up similar advantages… These conditions aren’t easily replicated… [London’s] competitive advantages are substantial — and won’t be easily eroded even by a hard Brexit.” Pershing Square Holdings, a £3.6bn hedge fund listed on the LSE in May. Allied Irish Banks have announced they'll float on the LSE - worth about £12bn. The Robert Walters City Job Index rose 17% in June compared to last year. So on the basis of the evidence it looks okay so far. Sorry fella, but I must admit, it all loses me a bit. |
|
|
|
Post by LJG on Jul 27, 2017 13:02:25 GMT
The European centre sure. Being as we won't be in Europe and they will that seems reasonable. Bloomberg said last month "Despite Brexit, London’s place as a leading global financial center looks safe. Ever since Britain voted to leave the European Union, analysts have debated the City’s fate… Fortunately for the U.K., Brexit itself won’t erode the significant advantages London currently enjoys. Perhaps more importantly, neither will it help European rivals build up similar advantages… These conditions aren’t easily replicated… [London’s] competitive advantages are substantial — and won’t be easily eroded even by a hard Brexit.” Pershing Square Holdings, a £3.6bn hedge fund listed on the LSE in May. Allied Irish Banks have announced they'll float on the LSE - worth about £12bn. The Robert Walters City Job Index rose 17% in June compared to last year. So on the basis of the evidence it looks okay so far. Strange argument to make when the big discussion is about a balanced economy Eh? Argument? The discussion was actually about a joke about south Bristol. You raised (irrelevantly) whether Leave voters knew the consequences of leaving the EU. From there talk turned to whether we would suffer in economic terms. The evidence currently suggests not. You haven't mentioned the phrase "balanced economy" once in this entire thread. You talked about a 66bn pound bill and assumed you knew how I'd voted. That was about the sum of your contribution so far. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 13:23:37 GMT
If you want to chat and argue about politics create a thread this was meant to be a light hearted pi$$ take thread not a politics discussion group No This is a democracy, which is why you are allowed to post pre teen bollox Next you will be accusing me of being a football hooligan |
|
