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Post by aghast on Aug 3, 2017 19:13:25 GMT
Just a feeling, but I think Hamer will be walking way soon with a few notes stuffed in his top pocket. All he had to do for the last little earner was to take all the heat from the press, with no support, no briefing, no plans and no idea.
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Post by dinsdale on Aug 3, 2017 19:17:19 GMT
I been saying on this forum and the old forum for the 7 years. The club is unable to have the vision to produce a top quality stadium or even revamp of present ground. I say this because we haven't built a stand since 1959 which is a shocking reality. Also every single project ( 6 ) since 1997 have failed or involved disputes and conflict. Therefore: I think we should give up and not waste anymore time money or divisions with the fans. My solution ( as stated in 2011) is a humble one for families and young people. We should build a new south stand and apply to the football trust for a grant. It's the best and most realistic and could increase the MEM to around 13000 plus. I would give up on the rest and focus on unity and the playing squad. currently: families don't get offered very good provision in family stand and it would address this issue. So a small new south stand and never ever again talk of stadiums or big revamps .. Im pretty sure there are restrictions on the south stand hence why the tent only goes part of the way along ? Id demolish the centenary stand and turn the pitch around.
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Post by dinsdale on Aug 3, 2017 19:18:49 GMT
I been saying on this forum and the old forum for the 7 years. The club is unable to have the vision to produce a top quality stadium or even revamp of present ground. I say this because we haven't built a stand since 1959 which is a shocking reality. Also every single project ( 6 ) since 1997 have failed or involved disputes and conflict. Therefore: I think we should give up and not waste anymore time money or divisions with the fans. My solution ( as stated in 2011) is a humble one for families and young people. We should build a new south stand and apply to the football trust for a grant. It's the best and most realistic and could increase the MEM to around 13000 plus. I would give up on the rest and focus on unity and the playing squad. currently: families don't get offered very good provision in family stand and it would address this issue. So a small new south stand and never ever again talk of stadiums or big revamps .. Im pretty sure there are restrictions on the south stand hence why the tent only goes part of the way along ? Id demolish the centenary stand and turn the pitch around. Alternatively id ignore me and hire an architect
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 19:20:30 GMT
Just a feeling, but I think Hamer will be walking way soon with a few notes stuffed in his top pocket. All he had to do for the last little earner was to take all the heat from the press, with no support, no briefing, no plans and no idea. I think that would be the silver lining in what has been a rather dark cloud. He has proven to be incompetent , blustering, disrespectful and at times full of lies ! ... thought we had seen the last of that type of Chairman when the ownership changed, sadly not the case.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 19:23:35 GMT
Just a feeling, but I think Hamer will be walking way soon with a few notes stuffed in his top pocket. All he had to do for the last little earner was to take all the heat from the press, with no support, no briefing, no plans and no idea. I think that would be the silver lining in what has been a rather dark cloud. He has proven to be incompetent , blustering, disrespectful and at times full of lies ! ... thought we had seen the last of that type of Chairman when the ownership changed, sadly not the case. In his defence he's only saying what the owners want him to say.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 19:28:03 GMT
I think that would be the silver lining in what has been a rather dark cloud. He has proven to be incompetent , blustering, disrespectful and at times full of lies ! ... thought we had seen the last of that type of Chairman when the ownership changed, sadly not the case. In his defence he's only saying what the owners want him to say. Wael should have said it, as I said before had the news been positive im pretty sure Wael would have delivered the good news not sent Hamer out to the press. Its the same as Saturday, when we get thumped by Charlton i'd expect DC to talk to the press not send out Stewie.
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Post by gashead333 on Aug 3, 2017 19:34:56 GMT
It's pretty definitive. He said it's not happening but never say never. Depends how you take it. He isn't going to say there may be a chance of it still happening if we are playing chess with UWE or still thinks there is a chance. From everything I have read and heard today I'm in the opinion (minority all be it) UWE is still very much on. The club have taken a huge gamble but firmly put the ball very much in UWE's court. Negotiations between both parties too slow so Rovers are forcing UWE's hand rather than wait another 5 months for the deal to fall apart anyway. SH comment on Youtube that UWE "MAY well have missed the boat now" leaves me with the slightest hope that if UWE really do want the stadium it must be on much better terms for us. We may have just got ourselves hung drawn and quartered or it could just be a complete master stroke by the club. Here's hoping it the latter anyway UTG
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Post by paulpirate on Aug 3, 2017 19:41:45 GMT
In his defence he's only saying what the owners want him to say. Wael should have said it, as I said before had the news been positive im pretty sure Wael would have delivered the good news not sent Hamer out to the press. Its the same as Saturday, when we get thumped by Charlton i'd expect DC to talk to the press not send out Stewie. nice,take it out on the team
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 3, 2017 19:47:02 GMT
Problem is what if the UWE have already offered us their best deal, we can hardly go back to them now and say we've had second thoughts? I guess it's down to how much the UWE still want the deal, which is a complete unknown to us, at least they haven't closed the door on us today.
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Post by aghast on Aug 3, 2017 20:00:09 GMT
Problem is what if the UWE have already offered us their best deal, we can hardly go back to them now and say we've had second thoughts? I guess it's down to how much the UWE still want the deal, which is a complete unknown to us, at least they haven't closed the door on us today. I suppose it's just possible that we know UWE really want the deal, but they think we want it even more than they do, hence their refusal to budge on terms, so Wael figured out that pulling out of the deal could shock them into renegotiating. This could be the biggest and most masterly call my bluff in football history. But probably not.
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Post by Captain Jayho on Aug 3, 2017 20:08:12 GMT
I find it seriously hard to believe that the UWE could still be a possibility at this point in time.
I'm starting to come around to the idea that we're stuck with our sh**ty little lot for the foreseeable future. DC the only current positive for me.
It's the bloody hope that kills me every time this happens. Like groundhog day every time.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Aug 3, 2017 20:08:40 GMT
Problem is what if the UWE have already offered us their best deal, we can hardly go back to them now and say we've had second thoughts? I guess it's down to how much the UWE still want the deal, which is a complete unknown to us, at least they haven't closed the door on us today. I suppose it's just possible that we know UWE really want the deal, but they think we want it even more than they do, hence their refusal to budge on terms, so Wael figured out that pulling out of the deal could shock them into renegotiating. This could be the biggest and most masterly call my bluff in football history. But probably not. Some amount humble pie would have to be consumed if that was the case.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Aug 3, 2017 20:14:05 GMT
Problem is what if the UWE have already offered us their best deal, we can hardly go back to them now and say we've had second thoughts? I guess it's down to how much the UWE still want the deal, which is a complete unknown to us, at least they haven't closed the door on us today. We're not going to go back grovelling to them. We walked because UWE weren't willing to accommodate the terms we wanted. We gave UWE a deadline, then ignored it and we walked to say show that the terms were serious and we were to be taken seriously. If this is to get on back then it's UWE who have to rethink their approach.
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Post by amgas on Aug 3, 2017 20:16:46 GMT
I think for a paid chairman we could do so much better than Mr Hamer. Would not be sad to see him go as there must be better out there.
In some ways that is the beauty of the set up of a paid man in charge rather than the owner being chairman, do a poor job get replaced.
P.S not saying Hamer is to blame for the stadium, but basically he has been poor on a number of occasions recently. Must be a queue of really good people who would love to run a football club.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 20:18:23 GMT
I think for a paid chairman we could do so much better than Mr Hamer. Would not be sad to see him go as there must be better out there. Must be better owners too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 20:19:57 GMT
I think for a paid chairman we could do so much better than Mr Hamer. Would not be sad to see him go as there must be better out there. In some ways that is the beauty of the set up of a paid man in charge rather than the owner being chairman, do a poor job get replaced. Holtby?
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Post by Quartermaster on Aug 3, 2017 20:20:07 GMT
UWE just want a pitch with a running track round it and seats for X thousand to sit and watch. Will give them some sort of bragging rights over other universities. I've a horrible feeling Bristol Rugby will have a stadium there in time.
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Post by amgas on Aug 3, 2017 20:22:54 GMT
But the point is owners in football are often the clubs source of funding/credit, not easy to replace unless you can find another with money to burn. Paid chairman is basically expendable and easily replaceable if he is not doing a really top job.
Hamer is a PR disaster at the moment, perhaps he is better behind the scenes - has at least not p*ssed off DC so far it seems, but I get the impression Hamer lets DC gets on with it while he bumbles about doing whatever he spends his time doing. I might be being unfair :-)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 20:29:22 GMT
You couldn't make this sh** up, you really couldn't. It's like a never ending comedy show, except for gasheads it's not funny. A farce. Personally I enjoyed the "We could be like Wimbledon were in the 80s"........what is this guy on, football is totally different nowadays and if he doesnt see that then we are really f**ked. DC will hate that comment as he tries to rid us of the rag-arsed reputation we have enjoyed for decades.
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Post by RD on Aug 3, 2017 20:30:22 GMT
I'm pretty worried if I'm honest.
I don't for one minute doubt Wael's intentions and I genuinely believe he is a great bloke who's passionate about the club and wants to be here. BUT...
The problem is, it's clearly not him who is pulling the strings - financially at least. Therefore, good intentions don't exactly count for much if he doesn't have the funds available to him to take the club forward.
I genuinely believe WAQ wants to keep ownership of the club (be that a good thing or a bad thing). However, I think his "leash" (for want of a better word) has/will be tightened and his visions for the club will be cut significantly shorter as a result. Hence instead of getting a 30,000 brand new all-seater stadium, we'll now likely get a tarted up Mem - at best. And having had so many false dawns previously, I wouldn't even be surprised if that amounts to a lick of paint and maybe some new toilets etc. I'm certainly not convinced it would be a case of knocking down each stand and re-building it bigger and better a-la the 82ers.
Of course it may simply be that the deal wasn't right; the powers that be felt progress wasn't being made and it simply couldn't go on forever. If that truly is the case then - although it is sh*te to think the UWE is dead - it probably was for the best. If however it's that the sheer cost of the development gave the AQs cold feet, you do have to worry that the "operation" may now be scaled back - and rather significantly at that.
Let's face it - the most depressing thing about all this is that, without a new ground, our development is significantly stifled. Yes we might get a season in the Championship (perhaps many years from now) but, in reality, that may never happen and - even if it did - it's almost certain we'd be unable to sustain it.
When the AQs took over, it gave many older Gasheads hope once more - it made them dare to dream. If the best we can muster is a re-developed Mem then it's effectively accepting beyond pretty much any doubt that - right now - this is the best it will probably ever get for us Gasheads. That's a pretty bitter pill to swallow; not just in general, but especially given the hope about the place since the takeover. Mind the Gap will pretty much become mind the Gulf - it'll be an expanse so unfathomable that people really may not "talk of Rovers any more". For the first time in years it felt like we were making real progress. Tonight it feels like we've had our legs chopped off and our hands tied behind our backs.
Let's face it, without significant investment in the playing squad (and I can't believe I'm about to say this) I don't really know how much better off we were than when Higgs was in charge? Granted it might be a bit of an improvement, but the training ground hasn't exactly progressed, we have a £10m charge taken out against the Mem, a board who seem as ineffective when it comes to communicating as the old guard and no progress (just more wasted funds) in terms of chasing a pipe-dream new stadium.
Bloody hell.
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