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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 8:36:56 GMT
I'll agree to disagree then. Thanks for replying courteously though. What would you consider to be a positive suggestion out of interest ? I have heard lots, having a d.o.f, having a ceo, improving scouting, having and publishing a club review, external input for staff recruiment, relaunching of the share scheme, your own ffs is a good example. There are loads of ideas out there.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Sept 9, 2014 8:36:52 GMT
You mean it makes them panic!
Personally i'd rather good honest dialogue done in a proper manner to get the right decisions rather than that scenario again.
We must learn, because although as you say decisions are brought to the fore, it doesn't work for long because it is ill thought out. A longer term strategy is key to progression. IMO
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 8:38:28 GMT
Totally agree but they dont listen and without the panic created they do naff all. That is why change throughout the club and demanding it is a positive not a negative thing.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 9, 2014 8:39:17 GMT
Being up in the boxes is a perfect illustration of the gap that has grown between Board and fans since the return to Bristol. Yes, because of course the directors all stood in the Tote End at Eastville didn't they? (or did they go in the glass box in the South Stand, then move to a new glass enclosure in the North Stand?). At Twerton they went in the stand in a block of reserved seats but there was no capacity there for a directors box. Don't let facts get in the way of the truth. The current board members have FAR MORE interaction with "ordinary" supporters than at any time I remember. As for whether or not DC is the right man for the manager's job, only time will tell. Personally I believe he will do well for the club. Am I pi**ed of with where we are? Of course I am and it's even worse that the 82ers are doing well currently but the constant drip feed of criticism of everything the club/directors/manager/players do is getting incredibly boring and is definitely counter-productive. Wouldn't be so bad if someone had genuine suggestions to improve things (and making it a fan-owned club is not viable) but I have not seen one positive suggestion on any of the forums, just constant moaning.Best not talk about the HA words on here, you may get banned
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 8:40:57 GMT
HA ?
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Sept 9, 2014 8:45:22 GMT
Totally agree but they dont listen and without the panic created they do naff all. That is why change throughout the club and demanding it is a positive not a negative thing. As I said we'll have to agree to disagree. But I find they will listen if approached in what appears the right way. Face to face is so much better for everyone , points are heard in context and respect. But that's just me. I'll continue to put points across in the way I see as right and others must do as they feel is right by them. UTG
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 8:47:18 GMT
Am I pi**ed of with where we are? Of course I am and it's even worse that the 82ers are doing well currently but the constant drip feed of criticism of everything the club/directors/manager/players do is getting incredibly boring and is definitely counter-productive. Wouldn't be so bad if someone had genuine suggestions to improve things (and making it a fan-owned club is not viable) but I have not seen one positive suggestion on any of the forums, just constant moaning. If you haven't seen one positive suggestion on any of the forums, you must be blind. There was a whole thread on here recently with good ideas and incentives. The criticism of DC has started to emerge because he has not lived up to his own hype, yet. Considering the amount of sh!t the average Rovers fan has put up with over the last 6 years it is a bl00dy miracle that people are even bothered to offer criticism. It will be silence before long if this spiral of b0ll0x continues. I find it incredible that anybody can be surprised/shocked/disappointed at the negativity! How the flying f**k is there anything that the fanbase can be positive about?! The situation is dire.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 9, 2014 8:48:51 GMT
Hidden agenda - but i did not say those words..... oh i'm on Gas Chat its ok to say those words on here
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 8:57:07 GMT
Totally agree but they dont listen and without the panic created they do naff all. That is why change throughout the club and demanding it is a positive not a negative thing. As I said we'll have to agree to disagree. But I find they will listen if approached in what appears the right way. Face to face is so much better for everyone , points are heard in context and respect. But that's just me. I'll continue to put points across in the way I see as right and others must do as they feel is right by them. UTG Fair play for trying and i dont disagree with you trying that approach. We have however gone backwards for 14 years so something drastic is clearly needed. By the way i was disagreeing with your agreement that people havent made positive suggestions for change more then anything. Im not advocating mob rule. Just wantes to say as felt going off on a tangent.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 8:58:04 GMT
Hidden agenda - but i did not say those words..... oh i'm on Gas Chat its ok to say those words on here Henbury i know you imply the I.F wish to discredit the board but i dont think its an agenda that is hidden.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 9:24:11 GMT
Hidden agenda - but i did not say those words..... oh i'm on Gas Chat its ok to say those words on here Henbury i know you imply the I.F wish to discredit the board. They are doing a good job of that themselves, they don't need the IF!
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Post by jozer on Sept 9, 2014 22:45:39 GMT
I have a suggestion that doesn't involve either NH or DC going anywhere.
NH- Sack Phoni, appoint a proper independant CEO (and by independant I mean not just another one of the good old gang or their mates), set them a very clear job description and MANAGE them against it. then stop trying to run the FC on a day to day basis and concentrate on the long-term goal of improving our facilities.
DC- here's a novel suggestion. MANAGE him as a long-term project. He is young and in his first job. Instead of sacking him at Xmas because we aren't 50 points clear at the top, accept that we are in the Conference for the foreseeable, and DEVELOP him as a manger, with the expectation of gradual year on year improvement.
BRFC- PLAN to create a team led by DC that constantly finishes in the top 5. Put in place a STRUCTURE that enables progress and doesn't leave us in a hole because X or Y leaves or gets injured. Assume that we are at the Mem' for the foreseeable. If we get a new stadium all great and lovely, but any business plan that depends on an assumption that we will get a new stadium and/or get promoted any time soon is a waste of paper.
MANAGE our finances so that we don't need a ridiculous break-even gate number that we are never going to achieve.
BRSC- GROW A PAIR! Make it clear in no uncertain terms to the BoD that if the want the SS money to keep coming they will get the 'Fans Directors' that you elect whether they like them or not and that those Directors will be MANAGED by the SC against clear set of expectations.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 22:48:27 GMT
jozer for CEO.
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Post by jozer on Sept 11, 2014 8:59:39 GMT
Better not. Apparently I have a hidden agenda
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 9:26:53 GMT
Better not. Apparently I have a hidden agenda Its HA now, Keep Up
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Post by simon1883 on Sept 11, 2014 10:07:28 GMT
Jozer... All that comon sense... Oh dear. I mean to imply that we should be ran like any other sucessful business is simply madness....
Jowever, I totally agree and have these points also.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 10:49:37 GMT
Better not. Apparently I have a hidden agenda Its HA now, Keep Up
So to be clear.... FYI BRISA and the IF have a HA against NH and Co. They want a OR PDQ and a CEO in ASAP. OK.
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Post by CheshireGas on Sept 11, 2014 11:15:24 GMT
Its HA now, Keep Up
So to be clear.... FYI BRISA and the IF have a HA against NH and Co. They want a OR PDQ and a CEO in ASAP. OK. What I want to know is Hugo how you know the HA when the members of the IF don't even know they have one......
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 11:32:59 GMT
So to be clear.... FYI BRISA and the IF have a HA against NH and Co. They want a OR PDQ and a CEO in ASAP. OK. What I want to know is Hugo how you know the HA when the members of the IF don't even know they have one...... Hahahaha. Is that what they told you? Note to self, Cheshire Gas is not in the inner circle of those in the know.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 22:41:26 GMT
In our recent history the only time the club acts is when disgruntled fans put pressure on the club. The new investment following the 2006 board split, the signing of Ricky Lambert, the sacking of Paul Buckle, the increase in DCs playing budget, the new signing yesterday. Fans getting disgruntled does not always damage the club it makes the club pull their finger out. But did they act due to fan pressure or out of desperation ?. I think recently it has just been out of blind panic.
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