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Post by amgas on Aug 15, 2017 12:14:57 GMT
Greedy ( or incompetent ) directors of Bristol Rugby absolutely nothing to do with us, but why let the truth get in the way of an opportunity to slag off people who did a lot for Bristol Rovers .....
In terms of the Rugby boys yes they sold it for less than it was worth, yes they mis-managed the club so they lost the rest of the stadium, and yes half the supporters of Bristol Rugby still blame us for that when it was there own that messed up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 12:16:51 GMT
fair enough, although if the Rugby club owned and sold the land why did they need to sell the stadium as the land was surely sold for more than we paid?
Guessing it still wouldn't have cleared their debt?
I could be wrong but I was under the impression the land was sold for just under 4 million and we paid 2 million altogether?
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Post by amgas on Aug 15, 2017 12:18:58 GMT
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 15, 2017 12:23:43 GMT
Agree with all of this. I would suggest a share with (spit) Swindon would be a better idea. A larger ground and, I think, easier to get to. But their land includes their car park which sort of just hangs off the bottom of the site.
When you look at the square parcel of land that they have built on within their site and compare it to our site which is in effect completely square it's not unreasonable to conclude that the area we can build on is similar in size to the footprint of their stadium.
I doubt there's any real planning issues with rebuilding the Mem, the two issues are the owners financing it and the fans accepting there will be v. limited onsite parking, with all the nearby roads which aren't PCZ's getting clogged up if we have a big crowd. Given finance was apparently in place and there's plenty of car parking it makes the fact an agreement couldn't be reached with the UWE all the more irritating.
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Post by nerdgas on Aug 15, 2017 12:25:57 GMT
The car park alongside the Mem is a decent size, but it's nowhere near big enough so why not use the space th increase the footprint of the new stadium? Someone posted elsewhere that AG is slightly larger in area than the Mem. I would have thought that with the car park included the Mem site would be a good bit bigger. If the Sh1t got a 26k stadium on their land, I see no reason why we can't at least match that. Dwain Sports would have to re-locate us for a couple of years and move an awful lot of soil, but the beauty of that is is a good part of the stadium could be below ground level, and with integrity of design it would be a much neater construction than that abortion south of the river. Parking around there is a pain, but Railtrack are looking at opening Ashley Down station and surely the bus company and coach operators wouldn't be averse to making some money on match days laying on services to the ground. No, even with our car park their land is bigger than ours. Ashton gate is approx 37,500 sm2 and the Mem is 32,000.... Really not much in it though and plenty of space to be able to do something similar I am sure! But their land includes their car park which sort of just hangs off the bottom of the site. When you look at the square parcel of land that they have built on within their site and compare it to our site which is in effect completely square it's not unreasonable to conclude that the area we can build on is similar in size to the footprint of their stadium.
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Post by GasAttacK on Aug 15, 2017 12:26:20 GMT
I haven't heard this elsewhere so I doubt it's true but a steward in the West Stand told me the previous board purchased land and houses behind the South Stand when the previous redevelopment was due to take place.
Anyone else heard this?
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Post by baggins on Aug 15, 2017 12:27:00 GMT
Guessing it still wouldn't have cleared their debt?
I could be wrong but I was under the impression the land was sold for just under 4 million and we paid 2 million altogether?
I think everyone could be wrong when it comes to who paid what to who for how much.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 12:28:36 GMT
But their land includes their car park which sort of just hangs off the bottom of the site.
When you look at the square parcel of land that they have built on within their site and compare it to our site which is in effect completely square it's not unreasonable to conclude that the area we can build on is similar in size to the footprint of their stadium.
I doubt there's any real planning issues with rebuilding the Mem, the two issues are the owners financing it and the fans accepting there will be v. limited onsite parking, with all the nearby roads which aren't PCZ's getting clogged up if we have a big crowd. Given finance was apparently in place and there's plenty of car parking it makes the fact an agreement couldn't be reached with the UWE all the more irritating.
Doing anything more with the Mem is a poor idea, shoved at us to appease the anger following the end of UWE.
More likely Wael will be looking for a way out than a way to get a modern stadium.
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Post by nerdgas on Aug 15, 2017 12:31:58 GMT
But their land includes their car park which sort of just hangs off the bottom of the site.
When you look at the square parcel of land that they have built on within their site and compare it to our site which is in effect completely square it's not unreasonable to conclude that the area we can build on is similar in size to the footprint of their stadium.
I doubt there's any real planning issues with rebuilding the Mem, the two issues are the owners financing it and the fans accepting there will be v. limited onsite parking, with all the nearby roads which aren't PCZ's getting clogged up if we have a big crowd. Given finance was apparently in place and there's plenty of car parking it makes the fact an agreement couldn't be reached with the UWE all the more irritating. But if the AQ's can incorporate enough facilities into the stands to give extra revenue streams (whether conference facilities or a hotel of some description) then maybe it is viable....
The last approval included the club paying for an RPZ to be created as well as extra bus provision, a stadium monitoring group and a couple of other things. Mitigating measures would be needed again to get this through planning.
Most fans don't park or even have the option to park at the Mem at the moment so I really don't understand why it's such a big deal tbh
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 12:40:31 GMT
I haven't heard this elsewhere so I doubt it's true but a steward in the West Stand told me the previous board purchased land and houses behind the South Stand when the previous redevelopment was due to take place. Anyone else heard this? Yes, I think they did purchase a couple of houses. They would have been knocked down to allow an access road to the Sainsbury's site, with a roundabout on the Muller Road.
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Post by baggins on Aug 15, 2017 12:45:59 GMT
I doubt there's any real planning issues with rebuilding the Mem, the two issues are the owners financing it and the fans accepting there will be v. limited onsite parking, with all the nearby roads which aren't PCZ's getting clogged up if we have a big crowd. Given finance was apparently in place and there's plenty of car parking it makes the fact an agreement couldn't be reached with the UWE all the more irritating.
Doing anything more with the Mem is a poor idea, shoved at us to appease the anger following the end of UWE.
More likely Wael will be looking for a way out than a way to get a modern stadium.
You think they make decisions based on what pleases the fans? Multi million pound decisions? Yea right.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 13:03:49 GMT
Doing anything more with the Mem is a poor idea, shoved at us to appease the anger following the end of UWE.
More likely Wael will be looking for a way out than a way to get a modern stadium.
You think they make decisions based on what pleases the fans? Multi million pound decisions? Yea right.
No but it gives them a little more time to find a way to cut their losses. The 'new' Mem wont happen any more than a new stadium will unless serious moneymen come in. Talk is cheap..
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Post by baggins on Aug 15, 2017 13:08:27 GMT
You think they make decisions based on what pleases the fans? Multi million pound decisions? Yea right.
No but it gives them a little more time to find a way to cut their losses. The 'new' Mem wont happen any more than a new stadium will unless serious moneymen come in. Talk is cheap..
Talk is cheap, we all do it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 13:12:51 GMT
No but it gives them a little more time to find a way to cut their losses. The 'new' Mem wont happen any more than a new stadium will unless serious moneymen come in. Talk is cheap..
Talk is cheap, we all do it.
TBF it has always been the same with whoever is in charge, promise the world and it ends in complete failure. Apart from acquiring the Mem which was fortunately on the cheap.
I thought it would be different with Wael for some reason but now even the training ground development has all gone suspiciously quiet...
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Post by aghast on Aug 15, 2017 13:19:00 GMT
Well it's clear that Plan B does not yet involve rebuilding the Mem. Wael made that obvious when he said he doesn't know whether it will be a rebuild or (god forbid) a refurbishment.
My opinion is that Plan B actually has no detail at all. It only exists because Plan A fell through, and only came into existence at that point.
That surprised me, because I would have expected contingency planning to have been going on in the background for months.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 13:51:17 GMT
No but it gives them a little more time to find a way to cut their losses. The 'new' Mem wont happen any more than a new stadium will unless serious moneymen come in. Talk is cheap..
Talk is cheap, we all do it. No it's not. I charge a fiver per word, and up to now you owe me 143,000 quid !
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 15, 2017 13:57:06 GMT
Well it's clear that Plan B does not yet involve rebuilding the Mem. Wael made that obvious when he said he doesn't know whether it will be a rebuild or (god forbid) a refurbishment. My opinion is that Plan B actually has no detail at all. It only exists because Plan A fell through, and only came into existence at that point. That surprised me, because I would have expected contingency planning to have been going on in the background for months. At least it shows, istm, contrary to what a lot of people have suggested, that their negotiations with UWE were sincere. At least from their side.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 14:02:03 GMT
Well it's clear that Plan B does not yet involve rebuilding the Mem. Wael made that obvious when he said he doesn't know whether it will be a rebuild or (god forbid) a refurbishment. My opinion is that Plan B actually has no detail at all. It only exists because Plan A fell through, and only came into existence at that point. That surprised me, because I would have expected contingency planning to have been going on in the background for months. At least it shows, istm, contrary to what a lot of people have suggested, that their negotiations with UWE were sincere. At least from their side.
I don't think i've seen many people saying the UWE negotiations weren't sincere, on the contrary as lets face it, it was Wael's biggest chance to make any money.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 14:03:00 GMT
I doubt there's any real planning issues with rebuilding the Mem, the two issues are the owners financing it and the fans accepting there will be v. limited onsite parking, with all the nearby roads which aren't PCZ's getting clogged up if we have a big crowd. Given finance was apparently in place and there's plenty of car parking it makes the fact an agreement couldn't be reached with the UWE all the more irritating.
Doing anything more with the Mem is a poor idea, shoved at us to appease the anger following the end of UWE.
More likely Wael will be looking for a way out than a way to get a modern stadium.
That is not what he is saying in his live interviews though is it? The complete opposite in fact.
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Post by singupgas on Aug 15, 2017 14:04:11 GMT
Just what the cosmopolitan people would love on their door step.
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