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Post by Langford Gas on Aug 10, 2017 8:51:04 GMT
Whilst I don't think the Mem is viable, would we be able to : A) Dig out a suitable size bowl to put in the lower tier for fans in the knowledge that a second tier could be built when required? B) presumably if we aren't to move out temporarily, presumably a new stand could be built behind the dribuild stand, then when complete, knock down the current stand. Then move the position of the pitch towards the new stand. C) then knock down the Thatchers end and rebuild it to match the new existing east stand. D) Then knock down the west stand and rebuild to match the new Thatchers end. E) Then the tent end. It cannot take a bigger structure without a new huge retaining wall being built. Do we have to buy up a house or two to utilise their gardens for the wall? Ground would need to hold at least 20,000 to sustain a championship club. The more I think about it, how on earth is all this viable? and the assumption is they are re developing and not regenerating
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 10, 2017 8:52:13 GMT
Could a loftus road type stadium be suitable. Went there a few years ago for a top flight game and found the build upwards rather than back made for quite a close to pitch experience. Regarding transport. I did mention on another thread about potential of train station by the old B&Q on muller road. Just been browsing online and residents have been calling for reopening of Ashley Hill station as recently as May 16. I'm useless with links so if you search 'Residents want more local railway stations in Bishopston & Horfield' for a read. Club offer to help & that'll help butter up the NIMBYs www.bishopstonvoice.co.uk/residents-want-more-local-railway-stations-in-bishopston-and-horfield.htmlBe interesting to see how they manage to present 'we want our station but we don't want football fans using it.'
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Post by Mr Pond on Aug 10, 2017 8:53:26 GMT
Whilst I don't think the Mem is viable, would we be able to : A) Dig out a suitable size bowl to put in the lower tier for fans in the knowledge that a second tier could be built when required? B) presumably if we aren't to move out temporarily, presumably a new stand could be built behind the dribuild stand, then when complete, knock down the current stand. Then move the position of the pitch towards the new stand. C) then knock down the Thatchers end and rebuild it to match the new existing east stand. D) Then knock down the west stand and rebuild to match the new Thatchers end. E) Then the tent end. It cannot take a bigger structure without a new huge retaining wall being built. Do we have to buy up a house or two to utilise their gardens for the wall?Ground would need to hold at least 20,000 to sustain a championship club. The more I think about it, how on earth is all this viable? In the 2007/2008 plans its showing 2no houses included in the development but not sure how owns them now.
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Post by gasincider on Aug 10, 2017 8:54:08 GMT
Whilst I don't think the Mem is viable, would we be able to : A) Dig out a suitable size bowl to put in the lower tier for fans in the knowledge that a second tier could be built when required? B) presumably if we aren't to move out temporarily, presumably a new stand could be built behind the dribuild stand, then when complete, knock down the current stand. Then move the position of the pitch towards the new stand. C) then knock down the Thatchers end and rebuild it to match the new existing east stand. D) Then knock down the west stand and rebuild to match the new Thatchers end. E) Then the tent end. It cannot take a bigger structure without a new huge retaining wall being built. Do we have to buy up a house or two to utilise their gardens for the wall? Ground would need to hold at least 20,000 to sustain a championship club. The more I think about it, how on earth is all this viable? and the assumption is they are re developing and not regenerating Not at all. Re read it. We either move out and rebuild from the start, or we rebuild, one stand at a time. If there is a third alternative, please advise.
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Post by lulworthgas on Aug 10, 2017 8:56:46 GMT
Get Gary Morris laying on coaches from kings wood to the Mem! Job done!!
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Post by Langford Gas on Aug 10, 2017 9:00:54 GMT
and the assumption is they are re developing and not regenerating Not at all. Re read it. We either move out and rebuild from the start, or we rebuild, one stand at a time. If there is a third alternative, please advise. I didn't mean it to read that the possibilities suggested are unrealistic, More that regenerating to quote Wael, IMO means a lick of paint and new hand dryers, whereas the consensus of opinion on here seems to be it is a rebuild of the Mem but i sincerely hope i am wrong.
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Post by bluestone on Aug 10, 2017 9:07:41 GMT
Whilst I don't think the Mem is viable, would we be able to : A) Dig out a suitable size bowl to put in the lower tier for fans in the knowledge that a second tier could be built when required? B) presumably if we aren't to move out temporarily, presumably a new stand could be built behind the dribuild stand, then when complete, knock down the current stand. Then move the position of the pitch towards the new stand. C) then knock down the Thatchers end and rebuild it to match the new existing east stand. D) Then knock down the west stand and rebuild to match the new Thatchers end. E) Then the tent end. It cannot take a bigger structure without a new huge retaining wall being built. Do we have to buy up a house or two to utilise their gardens for the wall? Ground would need to hold at least 20,000 to sustain a championship club. The more I think about it, how on earth is all this viable? Phased construction will no doubt add time and therefore cost so it would be preferable to move out (god knows where though!), however the point of my post is that IMO the previous consent proves that it is viable to redevelop the mem to provide a championship worthy stadium. I think with clever design we could have a 20k seater on site.
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Post by lulworthgas on Aug 10, 2017 9:13:12 GMT
Not at all. Re read it. We either move out and rebuild from the start, or we rebuild, one stand at a time. If there is a third alternative, please advise. I didn't mean it to read that the possibilities suggested are unrealistic, More that regenerating to quote Wael, IMO means a lick of paint and new hand dryers, whereas the consensus of opinion on here seems to be it is a rebuild of the Mem but i sincerely hope i am wrong. Regenerate - Bring new and more vigorous life to (an area, industry, institution, etc.); revive, especially in economic terms. ‘the money will be used to regenerate the heart of the town’ Redevelop - 1.1 Construct new buildings in (an urban area), typically after demolishing the existing buildings. ‘plans to redevelop London's docklands’ Agree that using the term regenerate leaves lots of wiggle room when we see a roof being put up over the east terrace!
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 10, 2017 9:14:53 GMT
I have just had a look at the DW and New York stadium.
DW was built on a plot of 9.5 acres, has a max seater capacity of 25.5k but has restaurants, conferencing, gym, conferencing suites (one ideal for car launches due to its size) as well as executive lounges, cost of build was £25m. The NYS cost £17m to build on a plot of 8 acres, has a capacity of 12k but has all the same facilities as DW, just on a slightly smaller scale.
Now we have 8.8 to play with and need a minimum 20k seats. I am sure we can build something on that plot of land that will be suitable, give us extra revenue streams and more importantly, the club own. When you start looking around at stadiums, their size and land plot you realise that the Mem site has massive potential. Estimated cost should be about £25m which would make it a whole lot cheaper than UWE, we will own the Mem and will not have to share revenue streams, it will go back into the club.
I think we have been all blinded by the pipe dream of the UWE, convinced the Mem site was not viable by the previous board and as a result have lost vision of what we actually own. I don't think any of us know what doesnt make the Mem viable should it be redesigned. We know the market crash of 07 meant the accommodation side let the project down, but times have moved on since then. The only drawback is match day parking, but you can't park at Old Trafford and they get 75k people on match days.
Point is, the more you look at the Mem plot, the more viable a possible project becomes.
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 10, 2017 9:16:44 GMT
Could a loftus road type stadium be suitable. Went there a few years ago for a top flight game and found the build upwards rather than back made for quite a close to pitch experience. Regarding transport. I did mention on another thread about potential of train station by the old B&Q on muller road. Just been browsing online and residents have been calling for reopening of Ashley Hill station as recently as May 16. I'm useless with links so if you search 'Residents want more local railway stations in Bishopston & Horfield' for a read. Club offer to help & that'll help butter up the NIMBYs www.bishopstonvoice.co.uk/residents-want-more-local-railway-stations-in-bishopston-and-horfield.htmlBe interesting to see how they manage to present 'we want our station but we don't want football fans using it.' Thats like saying, I want to own a cake shop, but I don't want obese people eating from it. #nimbylogic
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Post by northseagas on Aug 10, 2017 9:19:27 GMT
The sh** are getting what around 19k? Transport is not a problem for them as 80% of their supporters turn up on sponsored sunshine buses. And the other 20% are away fans and people that are genuinely lost
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Post by buktaboy on Aug 10, 2017 9:21:54 GMT
The idea of sinking the pitch is a good one IMO. If we also implement a steeper continental-style seating elevation would create a cracking atmosphere too. we would have to move out though while this was happening... Cheltenham here we come lol
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Post by seanclevedongas on Aug 10, 2017 9:30:14 GMT
The idea of sinking the pitch is a good one IMO. If we also implement a steeper continental-style seating elevation would create a cracking atmosphere too. we would have to move out though while this was happening... Cheltenham here we come lol Isn't there a water table under the Mem hence the drainage problems we have had?
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 10, 2017 9:31:00 GMT
I didn't mean it to read that the possibilities suggested are unrealistic, More that regenerating to quote Wael, IMO means a lick of paint and new hand dryers, whereas the consensus of opinion on here seems to be it is a rebuild of the Mem but i sincerely hope i am wrong. Regenerate - Bring new and more vigorous life to (an area, industry, institution, etc.); revive, especially in economic terms. ‘the money will be used to regenerate the heart of the town’ Redevelop - 1.1 Construct new buildings in (an urban area), typically after demolishing the existing buildings. ‘plans to redevelop London's docklands’ Agree that using the term regenerate leaves lots of wiggle room when we see a roof being put up over the east terrace! Interesting, he does say regenerate, but then he mentions a project team that has built 12 stadiums, implying a rebuild.
Ah, who knows.
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Aug 10, 2017 9:31:23 GMT
We have approx 32,000 SM2 of space at the Mem, it is plenty is used correctly.
For a start I would be looking at moving the pitch so the 'blackthorn stand' would now rest in the carpark and the south stand would now rest where the west stand currently lies.
With regards to parking, I am not sure there is any obligation on the club to provide parking on match days is there? It is of course a good thing to do, but is it required of us?
I can't help but be reminded of Coventry away last season with all this talk of parking.... Huge out of town stadium with plenty of space around it and yet still no free parking anywhere near the bloody place! We had to pay a tenner to park 2 miles up the road and be bused in... Far from ideal!
Also, does anyone know what the match day parking situation down at our friends in south Bristol? They too have recently completed an inner city stadium redevelopment that as far as I can tell uses all of the land they have available to them, so what do they do for parking?
For me there is absolutely no reason why a forward thinking architect could not design a very impressive 25,000 seater stadium on our existing land that would also cater for executive areas and other revenue streams that all modern day stadiums should have (gym, club shop, large bar / restaurant etc).
If we are looking for an example of an excellent inner city stadium redevelopment then we would be stupid to ignore the one down the road.. I know it stings the eyes to look south of the river! But fact is they have built a very impressive stadium on land of a very similar size to ours.
Of course all of the above will mean two things will absolutely have to happen...
1) Wael and the board will need to prove their loyalties to this club in terms of finances as to rebuild the mem will not be cheap. 2) We will need to move out. This will simply be unavoidable for a complete stadium rebuild as we of course require. Cheltenham was agreed and all set to go last time we were looking at redeveloping them mem, so why not again? Would only be for a season or two so in the grand scheme of things really not that big an inconvenience.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 9:33:48 GMT
Perhaps we could have Park and ride agreement from UWEs desperatly needed new car park. 😆 Quick... stick a spade in the ground!
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Aug 10, 2017 9:34:26 GMT
I have just had a look at the DW and New York stadium. DW was built on a plot of 9.5 acres, has a max seater capacity of 25.5k but has restaurants, conferencing, gym, conferencing suites (one ideal for car launches due to its size) as well as executive lounges, cost of build was £25m. The NYS cost £17m to build on a plot of 8 acres, has a capacity of 12k but has all the same facilities as DW, just on a slightly smaller scale. Now we have 8.8 to play with and need a minimum 20k seats. I am sure we can build something on that plot of land that will be suitable, give us extra revenue streams and more importantly, the club own. When you start looking around at stadiums, their size and land plot you realise that the Mem site has massive potential. Estimated cost should be about £25m which would make it a whole lot cheaper than UWE, we will own the Mem and will not have to share revenue streams, it will go back into the club. I think we have been all blinded by the pipe dream of the UWE, convinced the Mem site was not viable by the previous board and as a result have lost vision of what we actually own. I don't think any of us know what doesnt make the Mem viable should it be redesigned. We know the market crash of 07 meant the accommodation side let the project down, but times have moved on since then. The only drawback is match day parking, but you can't park at Old Trafford and they get 75k people on match days. Point is, the more you look at the Mem plot, the more viable a possible project becomes. Couldn't agree more! Funnily enough pretty much the same point I was busy typing up as you were clearly doing the same! Lol The Mem plot IS viable! It now just depends how ambitious we are with the space we have...... Lick of paint and new south stand? Or complete rebuild......... Over to you Wael!
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Post by peterparker on Aug 10, 2017 9:35:56 GMT
We have approx 32,000 SM2 of space at the Mem, it is plenty is used correctly. For a start I would be looking at moving the pitch so the 'blackthorn stand' would now rest in the carpark and the south stand would now rest where the west stand currently lies. With regards to parking, I am not sure there is any obligation on the club to provide parking on match days is there? It is of course a good thing to do, but is it required of us? I can't help but be reminded of Coventry away last season with all this talk of parking.... Huge out of town stadium with plenty of space around it and yet still no free parking anywhere near the bloody place! We had to pay a tenner to park 2 miles up the road and be bused in... Far from ideal! Also, does anyone know what the match day parking situation down at our friends in south Bristol? They too have recently completed an inner city stadium redevelopment that as far as I can tell uses all of the land they have available to them, so what do they do for parking? For me there is absolutely no reason why a forward thinking architect could not design a very impressive 25,000 seater stadium on our existing land that would also cater for executive areas and other revenue streams that all modern day stadiums should have (gym, club shop, large bar / restaurant etc). If we are looking for an example of an excellent inner city stadium redevelopment then we would be stupid to ignore the one down the road.. I know it stings the eyes to look south of the river! But fact is they have built a very impressive stadium on land of a very similar size to ours. Of course all of the above will mean two things will absolutely have to happen... 1) Wael and the board will need to prove their loyalties to this club in terms of finances as to rebuild the mem will not be cheap. 2) We will need to move out. This will simply be unavoidable for a complete stadium rebuild as we of course require. Cheltenham was agreed and all set to go last time we were looking at redeveloping them mem, so why not again? Would only be for a season or two so in the grand scheme of things really not that big an inconvenience. and City fans can't even use the Ashton Park and Ride to park because of some stupid council thing
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Post by oldgas on Aug 10, 2017 9:36:14 GMT
The car park alongside the Mem is a decent size, but it's nowhere near big enough so why not use the space th increase the footprint of the new stadium?
Someone posted elsewhere that AG is slightly larger in area than the Mem. I would have thought that with the car park included the Mem site would be a good bit bigger. If the Sh1t got a 26k stadium on their land, I see no reason why we can't at least match that. Dwain Sports would have to re-locate us for a couple of years and move an awful lot of soil, but the beauty of that is is a good part of the stadium could be below ground level, and with integrity of design it would be a much neater construction than that abortion south of the river.
Parking around there is a pain, but Railtrack are looking at opening Ashley Down station and surely the bus company and coach operators wouldn't be averse to making some money on match days laying on services to the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 9:37:42 GMT
The car park alongside the Mem is a decent size, but it's nowhere near big enough so why not use the space th increase the footprint of the new stadium? Someone posted elsewhere that AG is slightly larger in area than the Mem. I would have thought that with the car park included the Mem site would be a good bit bigger. If the Sh1t got a 26k stadium on their land, I see no reason why we can't at least match that. Dwain Sports would have to re-locate us for a couple of years and move an awful lot of soil, but the beauty of that is is a good part of the stadium could be below ground level, and with integrity of design it would be a much neater construction than that abortion south of the river. Parking around there is a pain, but Railtrack are looking at opening Ashley Down station and surely the bus company and coach operators wouldn't be averse to making some money on match days laying on services to the ground. Old school scooters for everyone please! 1950s Vespa please.
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