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Post by knowall on Aug 10, 2017 16:15:43 GMT
All this talk about parking at the Mem is a nonsense. London Stadium (Olympic Park) - no parking for fans. Millwall - no parking for fans. Chelsea - no parking for fans. Arsenal - no parking for fans. Everton - no parking for fans. etc... If they can build an Olympic Stadium without parking the Mem should be a breeze. The answer is a well planned and operated park & ride, not a few old buses. Some years ago I went to an Atlanta Braves baseball game. The nearest MARTA (subway) station was a mile away. Emerging from the station there were four buses parked, all loading at the same time. When they moved off, they were replaced by another four. The buses drove down a bus lane to the stadium. At the end of the game, groups of buses were clearly marked 'MARTA', 'P&R1', 'P&R2' etc, with stewards pointing where to go. The MARTA buses were again loading in groups of four. Whilst the game was in progress, the bus lane had been coned and the direction reversed. I timed it and from game end to the MARTA station was twelve minutes. The clubs aim was to have 20,000 fans away from the stadium area in fifteen minutes. WOW I think you have cracked it! - all we need now is an underground train system, London taxi's in abundance and a bus system that runs every couple of minutes.
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Post by jareth on Aug 10, 2017 16:22:22 GMT
I have always said with the original mem development and Sainsbury's there, and even the case as it currently stands that the section of Filton Avenue by the stadium needs to be ONE WAY traffic.. no left turn into the road. continue up Muller Road and go round the loop.
At the end of a game now it is bad enough with parked cars and buses and two directions of traffic trying to squeeze through as well as thousands of people
That won't work coz there's no left turn into Filton Ave going down Gloucester Rd (because the angle is too tight). It would have to be one way the other way. Simple to adjust the junction - my father inlaw drives trucks, weighed it all up when Sainsburys planned to get their lorrys around there. Plus you'd want it pointed at fastest route to motorway. Anyway, you lot have been very unlucky with stadiums - gotta be very pessimistic about any stadium plan these days - not to water on your chips, but Wael has done an about turn on the UWE, contradicted himself - that says it all. Think he is holding back on the reality of his financial situation IMHO. Let alone the money he's borrowed against the ground - that is not the sign of a wealthy owner. Anyway, sorry to pop in, if it helps I've never liked city.
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Post by LJG on Aug 10, 2017 16:23:20 GMT
All this talk about parking at the Mem is a nonsense. London Stadium (Olympic Park) - no parking for fans. Millwall - no parking for fans. Chelsea - no parking for fans. Arsenal - no parking for fans. Everton - no parking for fans. etc... If they can build an Olympic Stadium without parking the Mem should be a breeze. The answer is a well planned and operated park & ride, not a few old buses. Some years ago I went to an Atlanta Braves baseball game. The nearest MARTA (subway) station was a mile away. Emerging from the station there were four buses parked, all loading at the same time. When they moved off, they were replaced by another four. The buses drove down a bus lane to 9the stadium. At the end of the game, groups of buses were clearly marked 'MARTA', 'P&R1', 'P&R2' etc, with stewards pointing where to go. The MARTA buses were again loading in groups of four. Whilst the game was in progress, the bus lane had been coned and the direction reversed. I timed it and from game end to the MARTA station was twelve minutes. The clubs aim was to have 20,000 fans away from the stadium area in fifteen minutes. WOW I think you have cracked it! - all we need now is an underground train system, London taxi's in abundance and a bus system that runs every couple of minutes. Or just a park and ride system like plenty of others have suggested. Or is that a bit too "fake"?
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Post by gasforeverman on Aug 10, 2017 16:30:03 GMT
Whats the current capacity at twerton? Prefer twerton to cheltenham
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 10, 2017 16:40:41 GMT
That won't work coz there's no left turn into Filton Ave going down Gloucester Rd (because the angle is too tight). It would have to be one way the other way. Simple to adjust the junction - my father inlaw drives trucks, weighed it all up when Sainsburys planned to get their lorrys around there. Plus you'd want it pointed at fastest route to motorway. Anyway, you lot have been very unlucky with stadiums - gotta be very pessimistic about any stadium plan these days - not to water on your chips, but Wael has done an about turn on the UWE, contradicted himself - that says it all. Think he is holding back on the reality of his financial situation IMHO. Let alone the money he's borrowed against the ground - that is not the sign of a wealthy owner. Anyway, sorry to pop in, if it helps I've never liked city. Well, he's been a lot more consistent than the hypocritical reactionary NIMBYs we get round here. I'd rather have him than a bunch of knee jerk barely-Bristolians who say they all care about the community, but seem to consider the community to be only their friends and people who think the same and like the same stuff that they like. Sorry to water on your lightly blanched quinoa but I trust Wael's business acumen and banking nous a lot more than some randomer on the internet.
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Post by toddy1953 on Aug 10, 2017 17:06:20 GMT
tge parking issue does my head in. At the moment, the surrounding streets cope, they will continue to do so. If for some strange reason we start getting 18000 people at games then clearly the council will then put pressure on the club to provide bus services from places like kings wood with added busses from all the north Bristol park and rides. In theory, this will take thousands of cars off the roads however the truth is, Bristolians just don't like giving up their cars and so regardless, most people will drive and whine about congestestion and lack of parking. Get the old 'Football 'Specials' back - I used to get one direct from Hartcliffe to Eastville in the 60's. Truth is tho Bristolians don't like giving up the car, because the public transport is too expensive & unreliable.
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Post by Jester on Aug 10, 2017 17:07:09 GMT
tge parking issue does my head in. At the moment, the surrounding streets cope, they will continue to do so. If for some strange reason we start getting 18000 people at games then clearly the council will then put pressure on the club to provide bus services from places like kings wood with added busses from all the north Bristol park and rides. In theory, this will take thousands of cars off the roads however the truth is, Bristolians just don't like giving up their cars and so regardless, most people will drive and whine about congestestion and lack of parking. Sorry Lulworth, you've got to be joking? Any crowd over 5-6000 and it becomes impossible in all the side roads, especially an hour before the match and for about 30-45 minutes after. Cars parked on pavements, over the ends of corners, on double yellows and it gets worse for every extra 1000. If an emergency vehicle had to get through, especially a fire engine, they just couldn't do it. What would you think if it was your house on fire and the emergency services couldn't get through because some a***hole had parked on a corner, or your mother/father/sister brother/son/daughter died because an ambulance couldn't get to them in time. Alright, extremes and unlikely, but............... The only solution is a residents parking zone and properly organised park & rides (like was proposed in the original stadium expansion).
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Post by jareth on Aug 10, 2017 17:13:21 GMT
Simple to adjust the junction - my father inlaw drives trucks, weighed it all up when Sainsburys planned to get their lorrys around there. Plus you'd want it pointed at fastest route to motorway. Anyway, you lot have been very unlucky with stadiums - gotta be very pessimistic about any stadium plan these days - not to water on your chips, but Wael has done an about turn on the UWE, contradicted himself - that says it all. Think he is holding back on the reality of his financial situation IMHO. Let alone the money he's borrowed against the ground - that is not the sign of a wealthy owner. Anyway, sorry to pop in, if it helps I've never liked city. Well, he's been a lot more consistent than the hypocritical reactionary NIMBYs we get round here. I'd rather have him than a bunch of knee jerk barely-Bristolians who say they all care about the community, but seem to consider the community to be only their friends and people who think the same and like the same stuff that they like. Sorry to water on your lightly blanched quinoa but I trust Wael's business acumen and banking nous a lot more than some randomer on the internet. It's true, Horfield is full of reactionary NIMBYs - I was happy to leave. I have a bag of quinoa in the draw, but it's never been opened.
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Post by gas2 on Aug 10, 2017 17:25:22 GMT
We could always buy the civil service site on filton avenue and turn it into a car park
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Post by syg on Aug 10, 2017 17:30:31 GMT
tge parking issue does my head in. At the moment, the surrounding streets cope, they will continue to do so. If for some strange reason we start getting 18000 people at games then clearly the council will then put pressure on the club to provide bus services from places like kings wood with added busses from all the north Bristol park and rides. In theory, this will take thousands of cars off the roads however the truth is, Bristolians just don't like giving up their cars and so regardless, most people will drive and whine about congestestion and lack of parking. Sorry Lulworth, you've got to be joking? Any crowd over 5-6000 and it becomes impossible in all the side roads, especially an hour before the match and for about 30-45 minutes after. Cars parked on pavements, over the ends of corners, on double yellows and it gets worse for every extra 1000. If an emergency vehicle had to get through, especially a fire engine, they just couldn't do it. What would you think if it was your house on fire and the emergency services couldn't get through because some a***hole had parked on a corner, or your mother/father/sister brother/son/daughter died because an ambulance couldn't get to them in time. Alright, extremes and unlikely, but............... The only solution is a residents parking zone and properly organised park & rides (like was proposed in the original stadium expansion). I think we go to a different mem. I park with ease about 8 mins walk from the ground, did it regularly last season and never a problem. Basically roads south of filton ave,easy.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 10, 2017 18:23:37 GMT
Sorry Lulworth, you've got to be joking? Any crowd over 5-6000 and it becomes impossible in all the side roads, especially an hour before the match and for about 30-45 minutes after. Cars parked on pavements, over the ends of corners, on double yellows and it gets worse for every extra 1000. If an emergency vehicle had to get through, especially a fire engine, they just couldn't do it. What would you think if it was your house on fire and the emergency services couldn't get through because some a***hole had parked on a corner, or your mother/father/sister brother/son/daughter died because an ambulance couldn't get to them in time. Alright, extremes and unlikely, but............... The only solution is a residents parking zone and properly organised park & rides (like was proposed in the original stadium expansion). I think we go to a different mem. I park with ease about 8 mins walk from the ground, did it regularly last season and never a problem. Basically roads south of filton ave,easy. So you get there around 2pm/6:45pm on match days, most turn up at 15/30 mins later and it's then 15 mins/1 mile walk, OK if you're young and fit not so if your old or have kids, cr@p whatever you are if it's raining. All the road to the west of the ground are chocca as Jester suggests.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 10, 2017 18:35:15 GMT
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 10, 2017 18:38:27 GMT
Looking around the internet it seems 3 years ago Brentford's new stadium was due to cost £70m, I assume the residential buildings weren't included in that figure as the article below refers to the "£70 stadium" rather than a £70m project, so with inflation and the cost of drawing up plans, getting pp etc we could be looking at at least £75m, add to that our present £10m debts, the £5/10m to build the training ground and annual debts running at £1 to £2m for at least another 5 years, we could be looking at a potential debts overall of £100m by the time the Mem is regenerated. www.anglo.com/journal/projects/plans-backed-for-70m-stadium-in-brentford-223
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Post by lulworthgas on Aug 10, 2017 19:06:04 GMT
tge parking issue does my head in. At the moment, the surrounding streets cope, they will continue to do so. If for some strange reason we start getting 18000 people at games then clearly the council will then put pressure on the club to provide bus services from places like kings wood with added busses from all the north Bristol park and rides. In theory, this will take thousands of cars off the roads however the truth is, Bristolians just don't like giving up their cars and so regardless, most people will drive and whine about congestestion and lack of parking. Sorry Lulworth, you've got to be joking? Any crowd over 5-6000 and it becomes impossible in all the side roads, especially an hour before the match and for about 30-45 minutes after. Cars parked on pavements, over the ends of corners, on double yellows and it gets worse for every extra 1000. If an emergency vehicle had to get through, especially a fire engine, they just couldn't do it. What would you think if it was your house on fire and the emergency services couldn't get through because some a***hole had parked on a corner, or your mother/father/sister brother/son/daughter died because an ambulance couldn't get to them in time. Alright, extremes and unlikely, but............... The only solution is a residents parking zone and properly organised park & rides (like was proposed in the original stadium expansion). Head to the civil service if you're turning up that late. Always find a space there if I'm driving. Usually just get the wife to drop me off though. Better day having a few beers rather than sat in the muller road queues.
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Post by peterparker on Aug 10, 2017 19:16:02 GMT
I have always said with the original mem development and Sainsbury's there, and even the case as it currently stands that the section of Filton Avenue by the stadium needs to be ONE WAY traffic.. no left turn into the road. continue up Muller Road and go round the loop.
At the end of a game now it is bad enough with parked cars and buses and two directions of traffic trying to squeeze through as well as thousands of people
That won't work coz there's no left turn into Filton Ave going down Gloucester Rd (because the angle is too tight). It would have to be one way the other way. Is it? Well one way the other way. It makes sense given the narrow road and how busy it is/could be
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Post by aghast on Aug 10, 2017 19:38:33 GMT
I can't see how a redeveloped stadium could pay for itself without some form of housing incorporated. Maybe the student market is now saturated. Luxury flats would be a big earner, but would of course lead to howls of protests from local residents. Low cost housing would be popular in the area, but the rents are, by definition, low. Maybe we could build the flats and sell them to BCC who then manage the rentals. That would be a big one-off subsidy for the stadium reconstruction costs.
Just thinking aloud. Probably nonsense.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 10, 2017 19:40:14 GMT
Sorry Lulworth, you've got to be joking? Any crowd over 5-6000 and it becomes impossible in all the side roads, especially an hour before the match and for about 30-45 minutes after. Cars parked on pavements, over the ends of corners, on double yellows and it gets worse for every extra 1000. If an emergency vehicle had to get through, especially a fire engine, they just couldn't do it. What would you think if it was your house on fire and the emergency services couldn't get through because some a***hole had parked on a corner, or your mother/father/sister brother/son/daughter died because an ambulance couldn't get to them in time. Alright, extremes and unlikely, but............... The only solution is a residents parking zone and properly organised park & rides (like was proposed in the original stadium expansion). Head to the civil service if you're turning up that late. Always find a space there if I'm driving. Usually just get the wife to drop me off though. Better day having a few beers rather than sat in the muller road queues. Don 't you have to pay or be a member? If not you might now struggle to find a space once a few 100 fans read this post!
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Post by trojandog on Aug 10, 2017 19:46:58 GMT
All this talk about parking at the Mem is a nonsense. London Stadium (Olympic Park) - no parking for fans. Millwall - no parking for fans. Chelsea - no parking for fans. Arsenal - no parking for fans. Everton - no parking for fans. etc... If they can build an Olympic Stadium without parking the Mem should be a breeze. The answer is a well planned and operated park & ride, not a few old buses. Some years ago I went to an Atlanta Braves baseball game. The nearest MARTA (subway) station was a mile away. Emerging from the station there were four buses parked, all loading at the same time. When they moved off, they were replaced by another four. The buses drove down a bus lane to the stadium. At the end of the game, groups of buses were clearly marked 'MARTA', 'P&R1', 'P&R2' etc, with stewards pointing where to go. The MARTA buses were again loading in groups of four. Whilst the game was in progress, the bus lane had been coned and the direction reversed. I timed it and from game end to the MARTA station was twelve minutes. The clubs aim was to have 20,000 fans away from the stadium area in fifteen minutes. WOW I think you have cracked it! - all we need now is an underground train system, London taxi's in abundance and a bus system that runs every couple of minutes. Okay, Sunderland - no on-site fans parking Hull - ditto Watford - ditto Park & Ride on the runway at Filton, dedicated matchday bus-lane down the A38.
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Post by singupgas on Aug 10, 2017 19:57:40 GMT
I hope Wael and co can come up with something really impressive and a ground we can be proud of if we are to rebuild.
if we can get a 20 to 30k multipurpose stadium built, which can host the football, have function rooms and a hotel if absolutely necessary the man will deserve a statue at the gates.
I know I'm dreaming but I'd like a 25k ground, I think all fans could live with that and would set us up for a long time.
I want that world class stadium Wael once spoke of. Come on the Al Qadis.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 21:01:58 GMT
Regarding station costs. Portishead needs a new line as most of it is either overgrown or dismantled for a few miles. A lot less work required if they can do anything around the Muller rd to Lockleaze rd stretch I think they have also built over the end section of the line....is there not a lidl or similar and other units over part of the old route. That's not to say a new route could not be found....but expensive as you say. A new platform at Dovercourt rd would involve a short access road some big slabs of concrete a few seats and bus shelter affairs a timetable and a litter bin !...ok there will be technical stuff too. back in 2013 though it was definitely on BCC's agenda...however the council has changed a little from then and there is a different mayor now...so who knows if its on the agenda anymore,
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