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Post by peterhooper57 on Aug 13, 2017 10:32:19 GMT
Strange how some supporters who watch their side getting hammered then blame the referee and his linesmen! Sercombes booking was fully deserved, he lost the ball and pulled the man back by his shirt. Grow some balls, accept the defeat and move on. We lost that game because we were useless end of story. Can we stop with this pretend macho 'man up,' 'grow some balls,' 'real men accept results' bullshit, please. It's perfectly fine to discuss the game, to talk about both sides and the ref, etc, whether you win lose or draw. The real test of an argument is whether it stands up to scrutiny and questioning, and that's the essence of a forum. Pretending that the fact that we lost invalidates certain types of posting, and closes down certain discussions doesn't make any sense. Also, 'we lost coz we were useless' is so ridiculously simplistic an argument it's pretty hard to imagine someone might actually think it's worth posting. But hey, part of being a forum is that we allow sh** posts. In simplistic "sh** post" terms, we lost yesterday, because we defended so deeply, the quality of the opposition had our defenders on the back foot for most of the ninety minutes. The midfield was disjointed, excepting that IMO both Sercombe and billy put in a shift, the Beard is out of his his depth in div 1, as he as in an inability to be creative when in possession, under pressure Linsey seeks to play the Hollywood ball ( and become petulant). Up front their defenders had our forwards in their pockets. Ref was okay. Yes, we lost badly. Now move on to Gigg Lane, I hope the third verse is not the same as the first and or second.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 13, 2017 10:35:53 GMT
Strange how some supporters who watch their side getting hammered then blame the referee and his linesmen! Sercombes booking was fully deserved, he lost the ball and pulled the man back by his shirt. Grow some balls, accept the defeat and move on. We lost that game because we were useless end of story. Can we stop with this pretend macho 'man up,' 'grow some balls,' 'real men accept results' bullshit, please. It's perfectly fine to discuss the game, to talk about both sides and the ref, etc, whether you win lose or draw. The real test of an argument is whether it stands up to scrutiny and questioning, and that's the essence of a forum. Pretending that the fact that we lost invalidates certain types of posting, and closes down certain discussions doesn't make any sense. Also, 'we lost coz we were useless' is so ridiculously simplistic an argument it's pretty hard to imagine someone might actually think it's worth posting. But hey, part of being a forum is that we allow sh** posts. Thought it was a good post myself. It was a yellow card. We were useless. Let's not paper over the cracks. Up the bidefordgas
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 13, 2017 10:40:05 GMT
Can we stop with this pretend macho 'man up,' 'grow some balls,' 'real men accept results' bullshit, please. It's perfectly fine to discuss the game, to talk about both sides and the ref, etc, whether you win lose or draw. The real test of an argument is whether it stands up to scrutiny and questioning, and that's the essence of a forum. Pretending that the fact that we lost invalidates certain types of posting, and closes down certain discussions doesn't make any sense. Also, 'we lost coz we were useless' is so ridiculously simplistic an argument it's pretty hard to imagine someone might actually think it's worth posting. But hey, part of being a forum is that we allow sh** posts. Thought it was a good post myself. It was a yellow card. We were useless. Let's not paper over the cracks. Up the bidefordgas You're the daddy.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 13, 2017 10:46:12 GMT
Can we stop with this pretend macho 'man up,' 'grow some balls,' 'real men accept results' bullshit, please. It's perfectly fine to discuss the game, to talk about both sides and the ref, etc, whether you win lose or draw. The real test of an argument is whether it stands up to scrutiny and questioning, and that's the essence of a forum. Pretending that the fact that we lost invalidates certain types of posting, and closes down certain discussions doesn't make any sense. Also, 'we lost coz we were useless' is so ridiculously simplistic an argument it's pretty hard to imagine someone might actually think it's worth posting. But hey, part of being a forum is that we allow sh** posts. In simplistic "sh** post" terms, we lost yesterday, because we defended so deeply, the quality of the opposition had our defenders on the back foot for most of the ninety minutes. The midfield was disjointed, excepting that IMO both Sercombe and billy put in a shift, the Beard is out of his his depth in div 1, as he as in an inability to be creative when in possession, under pressure Linsey seeks to play the Hollywood ball ( and become petulant). Up front their defenders had our forwards in their pockets. Ref was okay. Yes, we lost badly. Now move on to Gigg Lane, I hope the third verse is not the same as the first and or second. Not really sure what's so sh** about that post, but you're the expert, I guess. In any case, it would be great if you did move on, like you suggest. And don't forget you were posting how useless we were and how our players can't cope with the level and how out of his depth DC is at this stage last season, the season before, and the season before that.
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Post by brightonpirate on Aug 13, 2017 10:51:24 GMT
Just a thought.....I understand DC has done a great job over the past couple of seasons, and his "ultra honest" media persona is very alluring. But....the Peter Principle springs to mind. Is he out of his depth? He grossly mismanaged the ending of the contracts of experienced players, and his player recruitment seems to have a dominant thread. He acquires young, often loaned players, and seems reluctant to bring in any experienced old heads who have "been round the block". Does he worry his authority might then be undermined. At least, does he need a savvy, experienced no. 2 working alongside him?
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Post by GasAttacK on Aug 13, 2017 10:54:59 GMT
Smith 3 - Not blaming him for the result or even the goals we conceded but he looks scared to death every time the ball comes into our box and failed to deal with a couple of simple crosses that could easily have led to more goals. We're going to miss Lumley.
Leadbitter 3 - Possibly his worst performance in a Rovers shirt. Given the run around by their left winger and his crossing was appalling.
Brown 6 - Only one of the back 4 to come out with any credit. Defended okay for the most part and delivered a perfect cross for Gaffnety to head home.
Lockyer 4 - Hasn't started the season at all well. The problem we have is I'm not sure any of our other right sided CB are any better.
Sweeney 3 - I think people are blinded by some of his excellent performances last season because I personally thought he looked shakey against Cambridge and awful yesterday. He got torn apart at Posh last season and they wer far too good for him again. Couldn't cope with P'Boro's pace and nervous in possession, gifting them the first and crucial second goal with a poor block and woeful pass. Also, why did he run to the near post for the 4th goal when Lockyer was already there?
Bodin 6 - Not at his dazzling best but still the one player who lookd like he might make something happen.
Sinclair 4 - Should only be played on the wing in a dire emergency. He's a hard working defensive midfielder who will break up play but isn't capable of running with the ball or passing the ball forward. Not really a L1 player.
Lines 4 - Outstanding last season but hasn't got going this campaign. Constantly looks to pick up the ball deep but fails to pick a telling pass and either gives it short or plays a hopeful long ball forward.
Sercombe 5 - Would have been a 6 but a sloppy pass directly led to the 4th goal. Overall did pretty well and came close with a well hit shot from the edge of the box.
Harrison 4 - Put himself about but too often makes the wrong decision which costs us possession or a goal by smashing the ball over the bar when a simple side foot tap in would surfice.
Nichols 5 - Worked hard, showed some nice touches and forced their keeper to make a great save second half. However, still not influencing the game enough.
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Moore 3 - Awful. No where near L1 standard and not as good as Montana. We're weaker down the left than we were last year.
Gaffney 5 - Did okay while he was on but didn't make a massive impact. Got himself a goal but thanks to a perfect cross it was probably harder to miss.
Clarke 4 - Doesn't look like the same player who played last season. Not sure whether he still isn't 100% but I didn't see any improvement when he came on.
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Post by markczgas on Aug 13, 2017 10:55:59 GMT
In truth Peterborough played like the home side and I would have been interested to have seen Ellis in their team because I would lay odds that he would be a better player with tactics that favour good players rather than hard working ones. I don't go along with this "we need players like Sinclair who give everything". Peterborough didn't have a player anything like him. They had players with quality and good tactics who ALL pressurised us.Our team was set up like an away team and I would honestly say that 90% of League 1 teams would have beaten us yesterday. Dc must start to look at his tactics as we have become predictable,slow and short of pace and power. Yes Posh, pressing really did the trick, but I wouldn't say we played like the away team - we had 2 up front and we had a lot of the ball - last 15 first half and first 15 second half ( during that period we probably should've got an equaliser - then it would've been a tasty game). Once Sweeney's pass was gobbled up and they made it 2 - 0 - players heads dropped and they started making mistakes. At the end Posh started pressing again and we crumbled once more.
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Post by markczgas on Aug 13, 2017 10:56:58 GMT
Just a thought.....I understand DC has done a great job over the past couple of seasons, and his "ultra honest" media persona is very alluring. But....the Peter Principle springs to mind. Is he out of his depth? He grossly mismanaged the ending of the contracts of experienced players, and his player recruitment seems to have a dominant thread. He acquires young, often loaned players, and seems reluctant to bring in any experienced old heads who have "been round the block". Does he worry his authority might then be undermined. At least, does he need a savvy, experienced no. 2 working alongside him? Personallly, don't think so.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 13, 2017 11:12:27 GMT
Yes Posh, pressing really did the trick, but I wouldn't say we played like the away team - we had 2 up front and we had a lot of the ball - last 15 first half and first 15 second half ( during that period we probably should've got an equaliser - then it would've been a tasty game). Once Sweeney's pass was gobbled up and they made it 2 - 0 - players heads dropped and they started making mistakes. At the end Posh started pressing again and we crumbled once more. Yeah, even though we got smashed during the first half hour, by the end of the second half hour it looked like we might get something. It's easy to say with the benefit of hindsight that we were never in it, but that really wasn't the case at the time. Had Ellis' effort gone in it's hard to say what would have happened (it could have still finished 1-4, of course).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 11:13:59 GMT
As the Posh manager said..he knew rovers liked to push the fullbacks forward and so exploited the gaps left behind. Three victories on the bounce for them against Rovers.The same for Charlton. They have obviously spotted the weakness and exploited it. The weakness needs sorting out or every team will exploit it and Rovers will be in big trouble. Back to basics...shut up shop. Stop the other teams playing ,close down quickly,grind out results. Concentrate on getting 50 points and avoiding relegation before thinking about anything else.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Aug 13, 2017 11:17:38 GMT
Ground situation and team performances not good currently.Strong leadership needed on and off the pitch.
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Post by markczgas on Aug 13, 2017 11:21:01 GMT
As the Posh manager said..he knew rovers liked to push the fullbacks forward and so exploited the gaps left behind. Three victories on the bounce for them against Rovers.The same for Charlton. They have obviously spotted the weakness and exploited it. The weakness needs sorting out or every team will exploit it and Rovers will be in big trouble. Back to basics...shut up shop. Stop the other teams playing ,close down quickly,grind out results. Concentrate on getting 50 points and avoiding relegation before thinking about anything else. Possibly, but Posh are a rare L1 side to me - no big guys up front, they also left 2 guys up front at everyone of our corners - even when 2 and 3 nil up ! They wanted to stretch the play and use wide areas when they could. Most( any other) sides coming to the Mem won't play like that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 11:26:02 GMT
As the Posh manager said..he knew rovers liked to push the fullbacks forward and so exploited the gaps left behind. Three victories on the bounce for them against Rovers.The same for Charlton. They have obviously spotted the weakness and exploited it. The weakness needs sorting out or every team will exploit it and Rovers will be in big trouble. Back to basics...shut up shop. Stop the other teams playing ,close down quickly,grind out results. Concentrate on getting 50 points and avoiding relegation before thinking about anything else. Possibly, but Posh are a rare L1 side to me - no big guys up front, they also left 2 guys up front at everyone of our corners - even when 2 and 3 nil up ! They wanted to stretch the play and use wide areas when they could. Most( any other) sides coming to the Mem won't play like that. They might now....
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Post by richard on Aug 13, 2017 11:32:35 GMT
Just a thought.....I understand DC has done a great job over the past couple of seasons, and his "ultra honest" media persona is very alluring. But....the Peter Principle springs to mind. Is he out of his depth? He grossly mismanaged the ending of the contracts of experienced players, and his player recruitment seems to have a dominant thread. He acquires young, often loaned players, and seems reluctant to bring in any experienced old heads who have "been round the block". Does he worry his authority might then be undermined. At least, does he need a savvy, experienced no. 2 working alongside him? Is this true? We don't have too many experienced players at the moment but it isn't correct to suggest this is a policy or an ongoing theme. Monkhouse, Easter, Mansell and even Lines all signed by DC and he kept on McChrystal and Mildenhall too.
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Post by e4bandrobinstubbs on Aug 13, 2017 11:39:38 GMT
We were given a lesson in L1 standards at the beginning of last season, so why are we being given the same lessons at the start of this ? Rovers yesterday didn't look as though they'd done any pre season preparation at all. The Posh played very well, they could control the ball (note this Harrison) and pass to each other (note all gas players) as well as being quick, flexible and motivated. Sure, Rovers put together some good moves, but the bits in between were poor. And newly promoted Muff made light work of Charlton. Must do better.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 11:48:40 GMT
We're just not good enough you can't keep blaming Ellis or brown etc the manager must take responsibility the recruitment Been poor and the way he keeps changing formation confuses players and fans. We need at least 6 new players in and could easily ship out 4 on loan or permanent
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Post by blissgas on Aug 13, 2017 12:10:12 GMT
We're just not good enough you can't keep blaming Ellis or brown etc the manager must take responsibility the recruitment Been poor and the way he keeps changing formation confuses players and fans. We need at least 6 new players in and could easily ship out 4 on loan or permanent Agreed Darrell tactics and decisions yesterday were awful and I honestly don't think we have the money to bring in top players
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Post by pirate on Aug 13, 2017 12:11:37 GMT
We're just not good enough you can't keep blaming Ellis or brown etc the manager must take responsibility the recruitment Been poor and the way he keeps changing formation confuses players and fans. We need at least 6 new players in and could easily ship out 4 on loan or permanent Agreed Darrell tactics and decisions yesterday were awful and I honestly don't think we have the money to bring in top players That can't be right, Mr Hamer assured us we have a top 6 budget. Mwahahaha.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 14:27:48 GMT
Agreed Darrell tactics and decisions yesterday were awful and I honestly don't think we have the money to bring in top players That can't be right, Mr Hamer assured us we have a top 6 budget. Mwahahaha. I've just seen the goals for the first time. If we have a top 6 budget, id hate to see what a bottom 6 budget would look like. Just saw the bench for Wigan, most of their subs would walk into our team.
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Post by pirate on Aug 13, 2017 14:37:37 GMT
That can't be right, Mr Hamer assured us we have a top 6 budget. Mwahahaha. I've just seen the goals for the first time. If we have a top 6 budget, id hate to see what a bottom 6 budget would look like. Just saw the bench for Wigan, most of their subs would walk into our team. This summer was the perfect opportunity to strengthen the side and kick on again. Numerous players out of contract/released and talk of a top six budget. With supposedly wealthy/ambitious owners and £600k banked from the Taylor transfer/Chelsea match last season I expected a lot more than what we've got if I'm honest.
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