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Post by countygroundhotel on Aug 16, 2017 14:20:18 GMT
Do you know for a fact it's bullsh1t or are you just making assumptions? I thought you got really, really annoyed with people who do that. You can't prove a negative but you can show absence of proof. There is currently more scrutable evidence for The Loch Ness Monster than there is The Consortium. So, on the basis of the available evidence over the course of nearly two years - I know for a fact it's bullsh1t. An ex director has been talking about other interested parties for years. Could be true, could br rubbish. We could also have new training ground we own and actually use, but we do know th e truth about that |
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Post by aghast on Aug 16, 2017 14:21:38 GMT
Was it Gasincider or Severncider who was interviewed on tv during the High Court hearing in London?
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Post by poorblue on Aug 16, 2017 14:24:08 GMT
But didn't the UWE say last week they were waiting for the Head of Terms to be agreed and SH or Wael said we'd submitted our own HoT's for agreement, if that's the case surely we couldn't have been that far apart if both sides, or even one side, had gone as far as drawing up an HoT's? I can't get my head around how both sides can spend years working on a project then both walk away w/o having a face to face discussion over whether any agreement can, or can't be reached, unless the ALQ's are still insisting they buy the land the UWE it's leased but wouldn't that have been obvious 18 months ago that issue couldn't be overcome? Both sides haven't been negotiating for years, the Al Qadi family only bought us 18 months ago. As for not having face to face discussions, you have no idea whatsoever as to how many times they've met. It's my understanding of the public statements made by Wael and UWE that H of T's had been agreed (albeit that UWE had gone backwards 1 or more times in getting to that point). Wael had given a deadline for signing on a Monday. UWE failed to sign by that deadline. UWE stated on the Friday they were surprised as Wael had expressed he would sign the previous Monday but did not state they had failed to meet the deadline for them to sign by the previous Monday. I think but am not certain that Lawyers would have held Wael's signed copy to exchange with UWE lawyers on the appointed day. So unless someone is telling porkies Wael signed and UWE failed to sign. Had both parties signed H of T's it does not follow that the stadium would have been built. Again I presume as WAel stated publicly the new stadium still needed Planning permission for what I can only presume were changes to the development to suit Wael and UWE. H of T's are simply a means of if you do that and we do this then it is agreed. Just as Higgs deal was if we get planning permission to build a stadium at UWE and Sainsbury buy the mem we can all go forward. This is exactly what Wael publicly said he needed H of T's signed so he could submit to planning and then build. What ever was in the planning proposals is subject to confidentiality clauses so I presume we will never know, was it railway stations, airports and hotels, sports club, swimming pools and nightclubs or retirement homes for aged gasheads? A set of heads of agreement or heads of terms is a non-binding document outlining the main issues relevant to a tentative (partnership or other) agreement.[1] A heads of agreement document will only be enforceable when it is adopted into a parent contract and subsequently agreed upon. Until that point, a heads of agreement will not be legally binding (See Fletcher Challenge Energy v Electricity Corporation of New Zealand [2002] 2 NZLR 433). |
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Post by LJG on Aug 16, 2017 14:27:45 GMT
Heads of Terms are only really bullet points of what you ultimately want to contract to. Just because each side have their own draft of those doesn't really mean much. For example mine might say: - You will sell me your house for tuppence - You will still come round every summer to paint the front door And yours might say - You will leave me the f**k alone Just because we both have our idea of what we want out of the deal it doesn't mean we're necessarily on the verge of agreeing that. My wife refuses to move out. What colour do you want the door doing? Anything so long as it covers the claw marks. |
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Post by knowall on Aug 16, 2017 14:29:08 GMT
Both sides haven't been negotiating for years, the Al Qadi family only bought us 18 months ago. As for not having face to face discussions, you have no idea whatsoever as to how many times they've met. It's my understanding of the public statements made by Wael and UWE that H of T's had been agreed (albeit that UWE had gone backwards 1 or more times in getting to that point). Wael had given a deadline for signing on a Monday. UWE failed to sign by that deadline. UWE stated on the Friday they were surprised as Wael had expressed he would sign the previous Monday but did not state they had failed to meet the deadline for them to sign by the previous Monday. I think but am not certain that Lawyers would have held Wael's signed copy to exchange with UWE lawyers on the appointed day. So unless someone is telling porkies Wael signed and UWE failed to sign. Had both parties signed H of T's it does not follow that the stadium would have been built. Again I presume as WAel stated publicly the new stadium still needed Planning permission for what I can only presume were changes to the development to suit Wael and UWE. H of T's are simply a means of if you do that and we do this then it is agreed. Just as Higgs deal was if we get planning permission to build a stadium at UWE and Sainsbury buy the mem we can all go forward. This is exactly what Wael publicly said he needed H of T's signed so he could submit to planning and then build. What ever was in the planning proposals is subject to confidentiality clauses so I presume we will never know, was it railway stations, airports and hotels, sports club, swimming pools and nightclubs or retirement homes for aged gasheads? A set of heads of agreement or heads of terms is a non-binding document outlining the main issues relevant to a tentative (partnership or other) agreement.[1] A heads of agreement document will only be enforceable when it is adopted into a parent contract and subsequently agreed upon. Until that point, a heads of agreement will not be legally binding (See Fletcher Challenge Energy v Electricity Corporation of New Zealand [2002] 2 NZLR 433). or in other words ' they couldn't agree' I like brevity |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 14:29:18 GMT
If a party that was interested in buying the club now and/or in he past wanted an opportunity again then now would be the time to stir things up.
With a much wanted stadium being ended by the owners and results/performances poor on the field. It is very easy to say someone else wants to come in and make things better again ,this will potentially stir up some fans to be vocal and the old "sack the board" and "f### of #### get out of the club" kind of mob mentality rubbish. Its exactly the time I would expect these "over heard conversation " leaks to occur.
I say put up or shut up ,to those takeover parties. Do not undermine the club and all that's been achieved over the last few years by destroying the unity and positive atmosphere that's here.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 16, 2017 14:38:21 GMT
If a party that was interested in buying the club now and/or in he past wanted an opportunity again then now would be the time to stir things up. With a much wanted stadium being ended by the owners and results/performances poor on the field. It is very easy to say someone else wants to come in and make things better again ,this will potentially stir up some fans to be vocal and the old "sack the board" and "f### of #### get out of the club" kind of mob mentality rubbish. Its exactly the time I would expect these "over heard conversation " leaks to occur. I say put up or shut up ,to those takeover parties. Do not undermine the club and all that's been achieved over the last few years by destroying the unity and positive atmosphere that's here. Makes you wonder who is leaking stuff in the corridors of power and why. Rovers best interest or self interest? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 14:40:17 GMT
Both sides haven't been negotiating for years, the Al Qadi family only bought us 18 months ago. As for not having face to face discussions, you have no idea whatsoever as to how many times they've met. It's my understanding of the public statements made by Wael and UWE that H of T's had been agreed (albeit that UWE had gone backwards 1 or more times in getting to that point). Wael had given a deadline for signing on a Monday. UWE failed to sign by that deadline. UWE stated on the Friday they were surprised as Wael had expressed he would sign the previous Monday but did not state they had failed to meet the deadline for them to sign by the previous Monday. I think but am not certain that Lawyers would have held Wael's signed copy to exchange with UWE lawyers on the appointed day. So unless someone is telling porkies Wael signed and UWE failed to sign. Had both parties signed H of T's it does not follow that the stadium would have been built. Again I presume as WAel stated publicly the new stadium still needed Planning permission for what I can only presume were changes to the development to suit Wael and UWE. H of T's are simply a means of if you do that and we do this then it is agreed. Just as Higgs deal was if we get planning permission to build a stadium at UWE and Sainsbury buy the mem we can all go forward. This is exactly what Wael publicly said he needed H of T's signed so he could submit to planning and then build. What ever was in the planning proposals is subject to confidentiality clauses so I presume we will never know, was it railway stations, airports and hotels, sports club, swimming pools and nightclubs or retirement homes for aged gasheads? A set of heads of agreement or heads of terms is a non-binding document outlining the main issues relevant to a tentative (partnership or other) agreement.[1] A heads of agreement document will only be enforceable when it is adopted into a parent contract and subsequently agreed upon. Until that point, a heads of agreement will not be legally binding (See Fletcher Challenge Energy v Electricity Corporation of New Zealand [2002] 2 NZLR 433).
To be fair to Wael, I know people, my self included, that have been questioning taking 18 months not to agree terms with UWE and kicking up a fuss.
I've been with the missus for over 10 years and we hardly agree on anything, and I still cant get shot of her.
Maybe there is still hope?
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Post by Marshy on Aug 16, 2017 14:42:50 GMT
It's my understanding of the public statements made by Wael and UWE that H of T's had been agreed (albeit that UWE had gone backwards 1 or more times in getting to that point). Wael had given a deadline for signing on a Monday. UWE failed to sign by that deadline. UWE stated on the Friday they were surprised as Wael had expressed he would sign the previous Monday but did not state they had failed to meet the deadline for them to sign by the previous Monday. I think but am not certain that Lawyers would have held Wael's signed copy to exchange with UWE lawyers on the appointed day. So unless someone is telling porkies Wael signed and UWE failed to sign. Had both parties signed H of T's it does not follow that the stadium would have been built. Again I presume as WAel stated publicly the new stadium still needed Planning permission for what I can only presume were changes to the development to suit Wael and UWE. H of T's are simply a means of if you do that and we do this then it is agreed. Just as Higgs deal was if we get planning permission to build a stadium at UWE and Sainsbury buy the mem we can all go forward. This is exactly what Wael publicly said he needed H of T's signed so he could submit to planning and then build. What ever was in the planning proposals is subject to confidentiality clauses so I presume we will never know, was it railway stations, airports and hotels, sports club, swimming pools and nightclubs or retirement homes for aged gasheads? A set of heads of agreement or heads of terms is a non-binding document outlining the main issues relevant to a tentative (partnership or other) agreement.[1] A heads of agreement document will only be enforceable when it is adopted into a parent contract and subsequently agreed upon. Until that point, a heads of agreement will not be legally binding (See Fletcher Challenge Energy v Electricity Corporation of New Zealand [2002] 2 NZLR 433).
To be fair to Wael, I know people, my self included, that have been questioning taking 18 months not to agree terms with UWE and kicking up a fuss.
I've been with the missus for over 10 years and we hardly agree on anything, and I still cant get shot of her.
Maybe there is still hope?
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Post by LJG on Aug 16, 2017 14:52:45 GMT
You can't prove a negative but you can show absence of proof. There is currently more scrutable evidence for The Loch Ness Monster than there is The Consortium. So, on the basis of the available evidence over the course of nearly two years - I know for a fact it's bullsh1t. An ex director has been talking about other interested parties for years. Could be true, could br rubbish. We could also have new training ground we own and actually use, but we do know th e truth about that Higgs advertised for people to come in and buy the club in some oil investors magazine in the UAE years ago (I presume that may be why we ended up with owners from the UAE) so historically having interested parties is not so much something to be rumoured but rather casually expected - in the same way you might eventually expect someone to buy the pair of jeans in the window of GAP. But the idea that there is a group of people who are seemingly always better informed of the current owner's dealings than the current owners are and are always seemingly displeased with the current owners actions to the point that they are willing to slap down a massive sum to buy them out at any second (but don't forget they're also so genuine about buying a football club that deals for other clubs have 'fallen through') and that they announce this fact on a public Twitter account but somehow swear the parties to that information to secrecy (c.f. a new beginning thread) is total cr@p - I don't care what farm animal you think it comes from. I don't understand your point about the training ground - whatever it is I can't see how it takes away from the fact gasincider is just lying. |
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Post by chewbacca on Aug 16, 2017 14:57:47 GMT
An ex director has been talking about other interested parties for years. Could be true, could br rubbish. We could also have new training ground we own and actually use, but we do know th e truth about that Higgs advertised for people to come in and buy the club in some oil investors magazine in the UAE years ago (I presume that may be why we ended up with owners from the UAE) so historically having interested parties is not so much something to be rumoured but rather casually expected - in the same way you might eventually expect someone to buy the pair of jeans in the window of GAP. The UAE is 1,500 miles from Jordan... |
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Post by LJG on Aug 16, 2017 14:59:57 GMT
Higgs advertised for people to come in and buy the club in some oil investors magazine in the UAE years ago (I presume that may be why we ended up with owners from the UAE) so historically having interested parties is not so much something to be rumoured but rather casually expected - in the same way you might eventually expect someone to buy the pair of jeans in the window of GAP. The UAE is 1,500 miles from Jordan... Perhaps that's why they couldn't finalise Heads of Terms.  |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 16, 2017 15:00:26 GMT
Was it Gasincider or Severncider who was interviewed on tv during the High Court hearing in London? Seven ciders |
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Post by chewbacca on Aug 16, 2017 15:02:16 GMT
The UAE is 1,500 miles from Jordan... Perhaps that's why they couldn't finalise Heads of Terms. Maybe we'd been negotiating with the University of the West of Poland by mistake. |
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Post by Cantankerous Gas on Aug 16, 2017 15:06:56 GMT
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Post by abbeygas on Aug 16, 2017 15:24:30 GMT
Higgs advertised for people to come in and buy the club in some oil investors magazine in the UAE years ago (I presume that may be why we ended up with owners from the UAE) so historically having interested parties is not so much something to be rumoured but rather casually expected - in the same way you might eventually expect someone to buy the pair of jeans in the window of GAP. The UAE is 1,500 miles from Jordan... That is still closer than we are to getting a new stadium. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 15:31:41 GMT
In fairness I thought that gasincider had posted things which turned out to be correct in the past? One of the things I like about Wael and family is that they are fresh blood, with no previous history or agendas regarding Rovers. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 16, 2017 15:34:27 GMT
In fairness I thought that gasincider had posted things which turned out to be correct in the past? One of the things I like about Wael and family is that they are fresh blood, with no previous history or agendas regarding Rovers. How many of the old board are still upstairs at Rovers in some capacity? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 15:39:42 GMT
In fairness I thought that gasincider had posted things which turned out to be correct in the past? One of the things I like about Wael and family is that they are fresh blood, with no previous history or agendas regarding Rovers. How many of the old board are still upstairs at Rovers in some capacity? Weren't they all made Vice Presidents - although I guess that just gets them a few perks. Nick Higgs is always lurking around Gate 5 on match days, so I presume he has a box. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 15:53:57 GMT
To be fair to Wael, I know people, my self included, that have been questioning taking 18 months not to agree terms with UWE and kicking up a fuss.
I've been with the missus for over 10 years and we hardly agree on anything, and I still cant get shot of her.
Maybe there is still hope?
What of getting shot of her you mean?
No i'm afraid a new gas stadium is more likely than that. The woman is like a boomerang (thin and plastic)
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