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Post by singupgas on Aug 18, 2017 12:39:38 GMT
We also allegedly made 300k from the Chelsea match last season and released about 10 players this summer, freeing up money for the budget. Every other club in the country released a load of players. Stop digging ffs! Most clubs would have had been looking to replace the ones they released. We haven't necessarily done a good job of that yet, at this point we look short. Reading this thread it looks as if now everyone so worried that it would'nt be "sustainable" for us to be in the championship and should just float in the league 1.
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Post by pirate on Aug 18, 2017 12:41:11 GMT
Fair enough but then think about how much it costs us to have Smith, Slocombe, Sercombe, Telford, Sweeney on our books. All for a 300k return on Taylor? Then think about what we must have offered DC to sign a 5 year deal. Where's all this coming from? It sure as hell isn't from fortnightly gate receipts. Where's this nonsense coming from? DC would have a reasonable wage budget even if we hadn't sold MT & played the Chelsea game, those two were additional incomes last season to add to a top 7(?) attendance income plus a club losing £1 - 2m a year on top. Our turnover/losses seems to compare to a top 6 or 8 side but our 1st team playing squad seems to compare to a top 10/12 side. Well said Topper.
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Post by bumble on Aug 18, 2017 12:43:21 GMT
Fair enough but then think about how much it costs us to have Smith, Slocombe, Sercombe, Telford, Sweeney on our books. All for a 300k return on Taylor? Then think about what we must have offered DC to sign a 5 year deal. Where's all this coming from? It sure as hell isn't from fortnightly gate receipts. Where's this nonsense coming from? DC would have a reasonable wage budget even if we hadn't sold MT & played the Chelsea game, those two were additional incomes last season to add to a top 7(?) attendance income plus a club losing £1 - 2m a year on top. Our turnover/losses seems to compare to a top 6 or 8 side but our 1st team playing squad seems to compare to a top 10/12 side. All guesswork. How much do you think our wage budget is Topper?
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Post by baggins on Aug 18, 2017 12:45:20 GMT
Fair enough but then think about how much it costs us to have Smith, Slocombe, Sercombe, Telford, Sweeney on our books. All for a 300k return on Taylor? Then think about what we must have offered DC to sign a 5 year deal. Where's all this coming from? It sure as hell isn't from fortnightly gate receipts. Don't quite agree with that surly that's also paid for from letting Easter/Montano/Hartley/mcCrystal etc leave
have we brought in more than we have let go I'm not sure we have
may be quality over quantity
There's no way our released players have covered the cost of our incoming.
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Post by baggins on Aug 18, 2017 12:50:42 GMT
Fair enough but then think about how much it costs us to have Smith, Slocombe, Sercombe, Telford, Sweeney on our books. All for a 300k return on Taylor? Then think about what we must have offered DC to sign a 5 year deal. Where's all this coming from? It sure as hell isn't from fortnightly gate receipts. Where's this nonsense coming from? DC would have a reasonable wage budget even if we hadn't sold MT & played the Chelsea game, those two were additional incomes last season to add to a top 7(?) attendance income plus a club losing £1 - 2m a year on top. Our turnover/losses seems to compare to a top 6 or 8 side but our 1st team playing squad seems to compare to a top 10/12 side. Nonsense? You've yet again backed that up with nothing. That additional income would have been taken up with the signings I've mentioned. Then you contradict yourself by admitting we lose 1-2 mil per year.
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Post by madgas on Aug 18, 2017 13:06:35 GMT
Posts like this frustrate me. It's clear you have no intention of being fair. Personally, im of the belief that one game doesn't make Tom Broadbent a world beater but should the signing be a success- you have to give DC credit, not rule it out as luck. You're approach is DC can't do wrong for doing right. Im not also not sure to what talent you believe is/ was out there? The Truth: sides that have spent on fees have also made money in recent transfer windows. We have not. Portsmouth might be the biggest side in the division and our activity is comparable. In that case why didn't Wael not attempt to play down SH's seemingly now ridiculous suggestion DC had a competitive top 6 budget, it seems fairly obvious now it's once again just a mid-table budget and despite us being taken over by a wealthy Jordanian family the 1st team playing budget is probably no greater than it would have been under the old regimes. The worry for me at the moment is we lack goal scorers if Bodin's threat is stopped and no LW bar the ineffective Moore even in the squad, plus Smith doesn't look as competent as Lumley at the moment and the whole defence is back looking shaky, so we've gone backwards on last season's top 10 squad plus the likes of Bury have upped their games. To top that we have a tough first 5 fixtures, meaning tomorrow's game is one where we need a result. I don't necessarily agree with you. But I also don't feel you've responded to my post. My points were: - Be fair. If you think Broadbent is a good signing, give credit. Don't write it off as luck. - No-one for me has spent 'loads' when you bring it in line with recent transfer revenue. Feel free to prove it wrong. Regarding Hamers quote- clearly got it wrong. But I don't think that necessarily is relevant to 'when we do buisness.'
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Post by abbeygas on Aug 18, 2017 13:09:23 GMT
Don't quite agree with that surly that's also paid for from letting Easter/Montano/Hartley/mcCrystal etc leave
have we brought in more than we have let go I'm not sure we have
may be quality over quantity
Tell that to abbeygas. Lol. Pirate and others, I totally understand your concerns about the number of incoming players not matching the amount of outgoings but please wait until the end of August as the chances are, judging on past years, you will have nothing to moan about.
That said I am glad that none of you are club accountants.
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Post by pirate on Aug 18, 2017 13:16:33 GMT
Tell that to abbeygas. Lol. Pirate and others, I totally understand your concerns about the number of incoming players not matching the amount of outgoings but please wait until the end of August as the chances are, judging on past years, you will have nothing to moan about.
That said I am glad that none of you are club accountants.
Isn't the finance director Steve Brookfield, formerly of Coventry City. They've had a good time of it recently. Toni Watola, WYHHB?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 16:21:41 GMT
And yet all the success we have had has been without a big target man type player?
I think there is always room for that type of player either in the team or on the bench, but other clubs have proven you can do it without.
The last 2 leagues have been poor all in all honesty, league one although not amazing still has a lot more quality therefore you have to mix things up a bit.
I remember Gary Johnson used to regularly use a centre back (cant remember the name now) up front at the end of matches who notched quite a few goals for the teds. Broadbent anyone?
Trouble is when you have a target man theres a tendency to constantly hoof it down the middle of the pitch all day long like with matt harrold.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 16:22:23 GMT
Only Rovers team to be champions of division 3 (league 1) was not exactly a high budget squad. In fact with the amount of subs teams use now im not even sure the Francis squad could field a whole team these days. I seem to remember they did better than the moneybags team down the road that season. The obsession with money and budgets is frankly embarrassing . Just let the manager bring in the best players he can persuade to come to the Mem and try to enjoy it. Every fan and manager across the country just wants two more players to make their squad perfect...that's how its always been.
For those obsessed people. D.C. was most likely given a top six budget based on what clubs spent last season plus an inflation increase. What clubs spend this season is completely out of Hamers or waels hands and can not be legislated for.
There are more worrying things to think about...such as
Lansdowne is renaming citys nickname to the pirates as they are closer to the river and sea than Rovers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 16:24:33 GMT
And yet all the success we have had has been without a big target man type player? I see what you mean, target men have never really fit into our system that well with DC at the helm, but to go up a level in terms of performance we need something different in our artillery. It's all well and good passing the ball around the edge of the box but I can't help but feel that we need that big strong centre forward who takes two defenders with him. It's so effective against ourselves, Nile Ranger springs to mind, also there was a fella playing for FGR in the recent friendly in the 2nd half who always had two of our defenders trying to get the ball off him, creating space for his other team mates. It's all well and good having big defenders like we do but if we don't have someone who is going to cause a lot of trouble to the opposing centre backs then I can't see us taking it up a notch this year! Yes i agree if you can get someone big and strong as well as fast like nile ranger. Come to think of it i think hes out on probation!
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Post by Big Jock on Aug 18, 2017 16:26:33 GMT
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 18, 2017 16:29:06 GMT
Where's this nonsense coming from? DC would have a reasonable wage budget even if we hadn't sold MT & played the Chelsea game, those two were additional incomes last season to add to a top 7(?) attendance income plus a club losing £1 - 2m a year on top. Our turnover/losses seems to compare to a top 6 or 8 side but our 1st team playing squad seems to compare to a top 10/12 side. Nonsense? You've yet again backed that up with nothing. That additional income would have been taken up with the signings I've mentioned. Then you contradict yourself by admitting we lose 1-2 mil per year. What's a contradiction? For some reason we seem happy to run the club making such losses, if we are then surely we can expect a decent top 6/8 squad to be put together, not one w/o a decent LW and two average, at best, CF's. What I can't get my head around is why we have two 1st team goalies and a massive Academy set up but a mid table 1st team squad, plus a bit of scrub land at Almondsbury.
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Post by abbeygas on Aug 18, 2017 16:39:09 GMT
Nonsense? You've yet again backed that up with nothing. That additional income would have been taken up with the signings I've mentioned. Then you contradict yourself by admitting we lose 1-2 mil per year. What's a contradiction? For some reason we seem happy to run the club making such losses, if we are then surely we can expect a decent top 6/8 squad to be put together, not one w/o a decent LW and two average, at best, CF's. What I can't get my head around is why we have two 1st team goalies and a massive Academy set up but a mid table 1st team squad, plus a bit of scrub land at Almondsbury. Rome wasn't built in a day Topper.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 18, 2017 16:42:50 GMT
What's a contradiction? For some reason we seem happy to run the club making such losses, if we are then surely we can expect a decent top 6/8 squad to be put together, not one w/o a decent LW and two average, at best, CF's. What I can't get my head around is why we have two 1st team goalies and a massive Academy set up but a mid table 1st team squad, plus a bit of scrub land at Almondsbury. Rome wasn't built in a day Topper. Yeah, mostly coz of the Latinum planning office and Etruscan NIMBYs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 16:43:21 GMT
I think there is always room for that type of player either in the team or on the bench, but other clubs have proven you can do it without.
The last 2 leagues have been poor all in all honesty, league one although not amazing still has a lot more quality therefore you have to mix things up a bit.
I remember Gary Johnson used to regularly use a centre back (cant remember the name now) up front at the end of matches who notched quite a few goals for the teds. Broadbent anyone?
Trouble is when you have a target man theres a tendency to constantly hoof it down the middle of the pitch all day long like with matt harrold.
That all depends on the other players around him. Its an easy option when you are not comfortable on the ball. If you have decent wingers who can get good crosses over then a big man will cause havoc in the box.
I'm not too fussed myself I'm just worried we wont score many goals this season with the players we currently have. I will probably start betting against us scoring away from home for the foreseeable. Last season my bets consist of both teams scoring. The difference, Matty Taylor.
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Post by abbeygas on Aug 18, 2017 16:47:31 GMT
Rome wasn't built in a day Topper. Yeah, mostly coz of the Latinum planning office and Etruscan NIMBYs. Now that is funny
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 16:47:37 GMT
Nonsense? You've yet again backed that up with nothing. That additional income would have been taken up with the signings I've mentioned. Then you contradict yourself by admitting we lose 1-2 mil per year. What's a contradiction? For some reason we seem happy to run the club making such losses, if we are then surely we can expect a decent top 6/8 squad to be put together, not one w/o a decent LW and two average, at best, CF's. What I can't get my head around is why we have two 1st team goalies and a massive Academy set up but a mid table 1st team squad, plus a bit of scrub land at Almondsbury.
Evolution not revolution topper, that's what you respond with then things are going slowly, or just not going full stop.
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Post by pirate on Aug 18, 2017 16:49:30 GMT
What's a contradiction? For some reason we seem happy to run the club making such losses, if we are then surely we can expect a decent top 6/8 squad to be put together, not one w/o a decent LW and two average, at best, CF's. What I can't get my head around is why we have two 1st team goalies and a massive Academy set up but a mid table 1st team squad, plus a bit of scrub land at Almondsbury.
Evolution not revolution topper, that's what you respond with then things are going slowly, or just not going full stop.
Up the Crazy Gang!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 18:26:30 GMT
Nonsense? You've yet again backed that up with nothing. That additional income would have been taken up with the signings I've mentioned. Then you contradict yourself by admitting we lose 1-2 mil per year. What's a contradiction? For some reason we seem happy to run the club making such losses, if we are then surely we can expect a decent top 6/8 squad to be put together, not one w/o a decent LW and two average, at best, CF's. What I can't get my head around is why we have two 1st team goalies and a massive Academy set up but a mid table 1st team squad, plus a bit of scrub land at Almondsbury. Wtf? Our average cfs might score loads this season. What if one of them outscores a bigger name from another side? How do your complaints stack up in that instance? What if our mid table first team squad finish 5th or 23rd? Then what?
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