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Post by Rod1883 on Aug 17, 2017 12:29:09 GMT
Yes, but in a central 3 - Lockyer and Broadbent with Sweeney central/sweeping. Sweeney seems to be needing a game or two to get up to speed, and so having all three there should help all? This would mean a 5 3 2, which I know isn't everyone's favourite, but we need to get some stability at the back. The next question I have to you then is where does Bodin play? Copying my post from another thread: Slocombe
Sweeney Lockyer Broadbent Parts Bola
Bodin Sercombe O Clarke
Gaffney Telford
Subs: Smith, J Clarke/Brown, Sinclair, Lines, Moore, Harrison/Brown, Nichols
Leads for Parts if fit If James Clarke isn't fit yet after the injury at Charlton, then Brown for him on the bench.
If Clarke is fit, then I can't decide if it's better to also have Brown on the bench to allow for a switch back to 442 or Harrison to give us another option up top - probably Harrison?
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Aug 17, 2017 12:29:52 GMT
Yes, but in a central 3 - Lockyer and Broadbent with Sweeney central/sweeping. Sweeney seems to be needing a game or two to get up to speed, and so having all three there should help all? This would mean a 5 3 2, which I know isn't everyone's favourite, but we need to get some stability at the back. The next question I have to you then is where does Bodin play? Good shout GGMI. That's one of the problems I've always thought with the 5-3-2. If we were to play it, I think he'd be best as one of the midfield three but allowed to press on a lot, in a bit of a free role. This would mean that the other 2 would have to be the ball winners and disciplined with their positioning.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 17, 2017 12:36:20 GMT
The next question I have to you then is where does Bodin play? Good shout GGMI. That's one of the problems I've always thought with the 5-3-2. If we were to play it, I think he'd be best as one of the midfield three but allowed to press on a lot, in a bit of a free role. This would mean that the other 2 would have to be the ball winners and disciplined with their positioning. Maybe if we do play 3-5-2, especially in tough away games where we think the ball will be on the floor a lot. We could possibly go with Bodin sitting a bit deeper, so almost a 3-4-2-1 example------ --------------Slocombe/Smith------------ Lockyer-------Sweeney--------Broadbent Leads/Partington----Clarke------Lines-------Bola -------------Sercombe-------Bodin----------------- ----------------------Nichols------------------------- You could put Sincs in there for one of the midfield. Sercombe probably with that formation but I rate Sercombe so a tough one.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 17, 2017 12:48:14 GMT
This Lockyer blaming is crazy. Most of the goals so far have been due to not defending as a team - set pieces (really good ones, btw) or the defence being left 2 on 2 or even 2 on 1.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Aug 17, 2017 12:56:42 GMT
This Lockyer blaming is crazy. Most of the goals so far have been due to not defending as a team - set pieces (really good ones, btw) or the defence being left 2 on 2 or even 2 on 1. I don't know if anyone is blaming Lockyer as such, I just personally think a rest could do him good. You could also argue that as the captain, he should be the leader and organiser (a job i don't think he really does) and is therefore more responsible than anyone else for the defence being poorly positioned. I'm not saying every mistake the defence makes is his fault, but you need that JT-type leader on the pitch and I don't think he is one of these, hence why he plays better next to someone that is.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 17, 2017 12:58:41 GMT
This Lockyer blaming is crazy. Most of the goals so far have been due to not defending as a team - set pieces (really good ones, btw) or the defence being left 2 on 2 or even 2 on 1. I don't know if anyone is blaming Lockyer as such, I just personally think a rest could do him good. You could also argue that as the captain, he should be the leader and organiser (a job i don't think he really does) and is therefore more responsible than anyone else for the defence being poorly positioned. I'm not saying every mistake the defence makes is his fault, but you need that JT-type leader on the pitch and I don't think he is one of these, hence why he plays better next to someone that is. TBH I would take a leader full stop at the minute, never mind what kind of leader. I think Lambert leading us with his experience would do us the world of good but accept it's unlikely to happen.
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Post by baggins on Aug 17, 2017 13:00:45 GMT
This Lockyer blaming is crazy. Most of the goals so far have been due to not defending as a team - set pieces (really good ones, btw) or the defence being left 2 on 2 or even 2 on 1. I don't know if anyone is blaming Lockyer as such, I just personally think a rest could do him good. You could also argue that as the captain, he should be the leader and organiser (a job i don't think he really does) and is therefore more responsible than anyone else for the defence being poorly positioned. I'm not saying every mistake the defence makes is his fault, but you need that JT-type leader on the pitch and I don't think he is one of these, hence why he plays better next to someone that is. Could we honestly blame Tom for the 5 league goals we've let in? It's a thankless task when the front line of Harrison hold up nothing, nothing.
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Post by baggins on Aug 17, 2017 13:01:26 GMT
I don't know if anyone is blaming Lockyer as such, I just personally think a rest could do him good. You could also argue that as the captain, he should be the leader and organiser (a job i don't think he really does) and is therefore more responsible than anyone else for the defence being poorly positioned. I'm not saying every mistake the defence makes is his fault, but you need that JT-type leader on the pitch and I don't think he is one of these, hence why he plays better next to someone that is. TBH I would take a leader full stop at the minute, never mind what kind of leader. I think Lambert leading us with his experience would do us the world of good but accept it's unlikely to happen. Unlikely?
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Aug 17, 2017 13:12:46 GMT
I don't know if anyone is blaming Lockyer as such, I just personally think a rest could do him good. You could also argue that as the captain, he should be the leader and organiser (a job i don't think he really does) and is therefore more responsible than anyone else for the defence being poorly positioned. I'm not saying every mistake the defence makes is his fault, but you need that JT-type leader on the pitch and I don't think he is one of these, hence why he plays better next to someone that is. Could we honestly blame Tom for the 5 league goals we've let in? It's a thankless task when the front line of Harrison hold up nothing, nothing. No, I did say that we can't blame him for the goals. I suppose it's more a criticism in his role as captain rather than just a defender. He's obviously a quality player with great potential, but he's only 22 and isn't the loudest of players, I just don't really think the role of captain suits him at the minute and I think we really do miss that leader in either the back line or the defensive midfield role.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 14:07:05 GMT
Hes probably our best player.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 15:05:28 GMT
Lockyer hasn't been that great since leaving L2. I'm not sure about dropping him as he seems to be a model pro and not one to need a kick up the behind, but it would be interesting to see a completely new pairing at CB.
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Post by abbeygas on Aug 17, 2017 17:35:11 GMT
TL is the biggest player asset we have imo. Just had a couple of off games that's all.
To quote Bill Shankly, form is temporary, class is permanent.
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Post by mehewmagic on Aug 17, 2017 18:52:30 GMT
What I am about to write should not of course influence any selection (or any poll) but if Tom plays on Saturday it will be his 200th Rovers appearance.
N.B. - I got my sums slightly wrong last week as I thought Posh would be 200th, but it was 199th I believe.
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Post by yategas78 on Aug 17, 2017 19:52:38 GMT
I would like to think last Saturday was a combination of a bloody good Posh team a keeper and a defence who were stopping everything and a GAS team with too many players who had a bad un hopefully we will stop the rot. On Saturday🙏
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Post by chilly1883 on Aug 17, 2017 20:14:11 GMT
I've not nocked Lockyer before, but if you look back at the goals we've conceded, from last year and this, he has been at fault for a lot. His form changed dramatically when sweeney came in last season. But I don't think sweeney looks very fit at the moment. Whatever DC does decide, I really hope he brings broadbent back in, as his performance at charlton, was the only plus on the day. UTG
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Post by ansell1 on Aug 17, 2017 20:59:00 GMT
I've not nocked Lockyer before, but if you look back at the goals we've conceded, from last year and this, he has been at fault for a lot. His form changed dramatically when sweeney came in last season. But I don't think sweeney looks very fit at the moment. Whatever DC does decide, I really hope he brings broadbent back in, as his performance at charlton, was the only plus on the day. UTG Good shout not quite sure why he was left out on Saturday, only DC can answer that, but would be good to see him back and add some pace at the back, I don't think he put a foot wrong at Charlton. but we wait and see !!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 23:13:57 GMT
Lockyer will play and be captain. So will sweeney who was far worse than lockyer last sat imo. Brown will play as he had a decent game v peterbro. leadbitter will be axed because he didnt show enough mental strength,in dc words he was fluffy. Danny is one of my favourite players but i reckon dc was fed up with him and chris lines more than anyone else last week.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Aug 18, 2017 6:14:30 GMT
lMO Both Lockyer and sweeney had poor games last week, they will know that, l would not drop them for the Bury game
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 7:43:48 GMT
Hes probably our best player. Only when he plays better than everyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 8:20:31 GMT
lMO Both Lockyer and sweeney had poor games last week, they will know that, l would not drop them for the Bury game
So, Broadbent was apparently our best player against Charlton and got dropped for the next game, both CBs awful the next game and keep their places?
This doesn't send out a good message to other players when players are picked based on reputation rather than current form.
(I know its not good to keep changing CB pairings but Broadbent must be wondering what he did wrong along with the fans)
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