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Post by bs10er on Sept 10, 2014 9:04:34 GMT
Was told a certain Mr G J was there last night!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 9:11:21 GMT
Also, last night was an improvement on our home performances to date. We were not lucky, and overall would say we just about deserved the win. I wouldn't have said it was an improvement. Thought we were better against Halifax. Only the first 30 mins. Over the 90 I felt we did better.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 10, 2014 9:17:04 GMT
I wouldn't have said it was an improvement. Thought we were better against Halifax. Only the first 30 mins. Over the 90 I felt we did better. The only part of the match I was happy with was the start of the 2nd half. 1st half we gave them too much time and space on the ball and at the end of the 2nd half they were all over us with ten men.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 9:43:37 GMT
Maybe its watching a game with Jon the Stripe but last night we were putting the world to rights and I got to thinking. I've been critical of DC as have others, but is it all bad? What if anything has improved under Clarke? I came up with a few... Set peices Fitness Work rate Wages paid/contracts Over to you...... Please keep this as a positive thread. If you can't think of any improvements, this is not the thread for you! i agree with all the said improvements,, our set pieces have been a revelation great delivery[mostly] and monkhouse parkes cunnington and trotman a real threat,much of that must come from training ground routines. what would be nice to see any time soon is a fightback after going behind,if you go ahead against good sides in any league in general they come back at you[like halifax],we did that at barnet without reward but not at altrincham and braintree so im hoping and believing we can correct this.
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Post by Strange Gas on Sept 10, 2014 9:46:07 GMT
Work rate and set pieces a definite improvement. Agree crowd support is his to win and he did a good job last night. Lots of nerves but boy does a win turn things round. 5k gate shows the potential is there and other than the ref quality, I walked away last night thinking not much different to league 2 in reality. But not happy to be here just to be clear!
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Post by fanboy on Sept 10, 2014 10:16:26 GMT
Fully behind Clarke.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 10, 2014 10:19:36 GMT
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Post by mehewmagic on Sept 10, 2014 10:30:57 GMT
as I have consistently said/wrote, i really like DC and support him pretty much all the way (not totally happy with the tinkering, the results, and the recent stuff about anxiety/crowd pressure, but let's side step that on this thread)
I suppose more accurately I should say that I fully support the PRINCIPLES on which he is trying to lead this team. i.e. I'm not personally obsessed with him, but with his approach.
I believe the way we are going now is quite literally the only avenue we can take.
e.g. - younger hungrier players - shorter contracts - performance related pay/contracts/incentives - 'try before you buy' (BTW I'd sign Trotman properly now if affordable) - mainly getting players who have been good at confernece level rather than players who are falling from lge level - financial prudence
I don;t see and don;t really want another option. I don;t want big contracts, big names, falling players, inflated wages, big agents fees.
Of course the problem is CAN he find such players and then can he make it work.
It's a very tall task, but we really have to stick with this. if it REALLy has to be with another man in charge I'll have to accept that but I do NOT want us to go back to the failed old days of big contracts etc.
we didn;t let Penney change our comfy sofas. please please please don;t let us do that again.
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Post by Lambert's Right Boot on Sept 10, 2014 10:57:48 GMT
I really like Clarke and I'm fully backing him. The performances aren't great, but as long as we win, I'm not bothered. Some are quick to turn, everything was fine and dandy when we got 7 points out of 9 then a loss to Braintree and it's all doom and gloom. Alright, losing to Braintree isn't the best but if you think we aren't going to lose to some of these part-timers you got another thing coming. Our form over the past 5 games is actually pretty good (3 wins, 1 draw and a loss), if we kept that up we'd be up there. Of course, our away form still continues to be abysmal but if we can turn that around things will look up.
Chanting at Clarke that it's his last game isn't what anyone should be doing, he hasn't had the time, yet. If we are still in a poor way leading up to the January window then he should be gone, but 8 games in is not a fair amount of time.
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Post by curlywurly on Sept 10, 2014 11:20:28 GMT
I hadn't heard Clarke's interview, but here's the relevant bits from the Post:
Clarke and his squad had been under pressure to claim a result after being heavily criticised following the defeat on Saturday, and the manager added: “It is a thankless task at the minute because we are not expected to lose at the likes of Altrincham and Braintree. “It is tough to be a Bristol Rovers players at the minute because there is an anxiety around the place. I can feel it in the dugout and the players can feel it on the pitch, but that’s football and we have to find ways to overcome that. If Bristol Rovers are losing a football match we know we are going to get stick during and after it. I understand that because I know the supporters have had to put up with a lot and it has been hard for them. It is where we are at, but I think a lot of these players will prove their worth in time. We have to put the shutters up in the changing room and ignore what is going on outside. It is about being strong and bouncing back from the hiccups because sometimes they can fester. If we can get on a roll over the next four or five games and make some progress up the table, I’m sure that the fans will get on board with us.”
The reactions of a large part of the following at Altrincham and Braintree will have given this impression. From the Blackthorn (oops North Terrace) last night, I didn't hear any real criticism of Clarke at any stage and plenty of support. However, previous experience suggests there are many more moaners in the enclosures. Hard to reconcile the feelings conveyed by Clarke above, with the generally positive reception the team and manager got before, during and after the game IMO.
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Post by RD on Sept 10, 2014 11:25:34 GMT
I hadn't heard Clarke's interview, but here's the relevant bits from the Post: Clarke and his squad had been under pressure to claim a result after being heavily criticised following the defeat on Saturday, and the manager added: “It is a thankless task at the minute because we are not expected to lose at the likes of Altrincham and Braintree. “It is tough to be a Bristol Rovers players at the minute because there is an anxiety around the place. I can feel it in the dugout and the players can feel it on the pitch, but that’s football and we have to find ways to overcome that. If Bristol Rovers are losing a football match we know we are going to get stick during and after it. I understand that because I know the supporters have had to put up with a lot and it has been hard for them. It is where we are at, but I think a lot of these players will prove their worth in time. We have to put the shutters up in the changing room and ignore what is going on outside. It is about being strong and bouncing back from the hiccups because sometimes they can fester. If we can get on a roll over the next four or five games and make some progress up the table, I’m sure that the fans will get on board with us.” The reactions of a large part of the following at Altrincham and Braintree will have given this impression. From the Blackthorn (oops North Terrace) last night, I didn't hear any real criticism of Clarke at any stage and plenty of support. However, previous experience suggests there are many more moaners in the enclosures. Hard to reconcile the feelings conveyed by Clarke above, with the generally positive reception the team and manager got before, during and after the game IMO. Thanks for sharing
Indeed - his comments seem a bit odd.
We rolled over and gave up against Braintree and that isn't good enough. You should never, EVER give up. Quite rightly the team came in for heavy criticism.
However, last night was a lot better... yet the interview is incredibly negative considering; very downbeat - strange.
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Post by gassince1957 on Sept 10, 2014 12:22:32 GMT
Hard to reconcile the feelings conveyed by Clarke above, with the generally positive reception the team and manager got before, during and after the game IMO. Could it be that the moaners stayed away last night - you know the "show the board a protest by not turning up" brigade? I stand on the centre line part of the West Enclosure where the moaning and abuse levels are normally huge but last night, other than groans at a few misplaced passes there wasn't a sound of criticism (at least not directed at our players - the referee and linesman came in for loads of stick and rightly so!).
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 10, 2014 12:57:46 GMT
I really like Clarke and I'm fully backing him. The performances aren't great, but as long as we win, I'm not bothered. Some are quick to turn, everything was fine and dandy when we got 7 points out of 9 then a loss to Braintree and it's all doom and gloom. Alright, losing to Braintree isn't the best but if you think we aren't going to lose to some of these part-timers you got another thing coming. Our form over the past 5 games is actually pretty good (3 wins, 1 draw and a loss), if we kept that up we'd be up there. Of course, our away form still continues to be abysmal but if we can turn that around things will look up. Chanting at Clarke that it's his last game isn't what anyone should be doing, he hasn't had the time, yet. If we are still in a poor way leading up to the January window then he should be gone, but 8 games in is not a fair amount of time. The funny thing is if we had lost to Wrexham away then fans would have probably accepted it a lot easier despite Braintree finishing 11 places above Wrexham last season and there is only a point between the 2 this season. We are still a bit ignorant when it comes to the smaller teams and losing to Braintree was not as disastrous as it sounds. Altrincham yes but Braintree are a respectable Conference outfit.
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Post by UpTheGas on Sept 10, 2014 13:33:12 GMT
The meltdown after we lost to Braintree was both unbelievable, staggering and yet understandable all at the same time.
I couldn't believe we had gone from thinking we had turned the corner to thinking that an away loss where we were on the wrong end of a shocking penalty decision and had a good goal disallowed for an incorrect offside call was the end of the world. Having said that I completely understood why Gasheads had just had enough of the fact we are so blooming bad on the road and they weren't happy they had travelled across the country to watch a poor defeat.
What I didn't agree with was the hounding of Darrell Clarke and the doom and gloom merchants coming out to say they were right all along about him being out of his depth, etc. As I've said, we had previously picked up 7 points from 9 but a loss suddenly meant our manager was not good enough. Absolute twaddle.
He may or may not prove to be the man who can get the club back in the Football League but to say he needs sacking already is utter lunacy. We have conceded just one goal at home in four games and have picked up 10 points, which is an outstanding record. In those games we have defeated a side who had previously won every single game and a team with a 100% record on the road. These sides, undoubtedly, will be towards the top of the division come April and yet we beat them both. Did we achieve this sort of thing under previous managers? Not really.
The team are playing for the shirts and look as though they love playing football and that's not something that can be said of previous Rovers teams. We are competing in every home game and if DC can get better results on the road we will be in the top half of the league and in with a shout of the play-offs. We are creating goalscoring opportunities, we look much more organised and our set-pieces look threatening for the first time in years thanks to Dave Martin and Lee Mansell. The fitness levels look good and that is going to be highlighted more and more as the season wears on.
I have been behind Darrell from the start and continue to think he is implementing improvement on the pitch. This thread is a good one and will hopefully show the constant moaners that in comparison to recent years things are slowly getting better with the team. I hope for his sake and of course our own that we can pick up some form on the road and get to where we want to be this season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 13:40:40 GMT
I really like Clarke and I'm fully backing him. The performances aren't great, but as long as we win, I'm not bothered. Some are quick to turn, everything was fine and dandy when we got 7 points out of 9 then a loss to Braintree and it's all doom and gloom. Alright, losing to Braintree isn't the best but if you think we aren't going to lose to some of these part-timers you got another thing coming. Our form over the past 5 games is actually pretty good (3 wins, 1 draw and a loss), if we kept that up we'd be up there. Of course, our away form still continues to be abysmal but if we can turn that around things will look up. Chanting at Clarke that it's his last game isn't what anyone should be doing, he hasn't had the time, yet. If we are still in a poor way leading up to the January window then he should be gone, but 8 games in is not a fair amount of time. The funny thing is if we had lost to Wrexham away then fans would have probably accepted it a lot easier despite Braintree finishing 11 places above Wrexham last season and there is only a point between the 2 this season. We are still a bit ignorant when it comes to the smaller teams and losing to Braintree was not as disastrous as it sounds. Altrincham yes but Braintree are a respectable Conference outfit. Exactly, and this is something fans will improve on if we are down here a few years. They'll know which teams are good/bad based on performances and where they finish in the league, rather than reputation. Lots are only judging on reputation right now, and I suspect the next 'shock' in that respect will be Woking a week Saturday. Braintree finished 6th last season, and have a habit of beating the 'big boys' on their own patch. They beat Grimsby 5-0 the other season, for example. That's why it frustrated me when Clarke said 'we shouldn't be losing to the likes of Altrincham and Braintree', despite the fact they're completely different prospects. Whilst the performance for the last 30 mins on Saturday was worrying, it certainly didn't warrant the meltdown which occured on here. Altrincham probably did though.
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Post by mehewmagic on Sept 10, 2014 15:10:22 GMT
...The reactions of a large part of the following at Altrincham and Braintree will have given this impression. From the Blackthorn (oops North Terrace) last night, I didn't hear any real criticism of Clarke at any stage and plenty of support. However, previous experience suggests there are many more moaners in the enclosures. Hard to reconcile the feelings conveyed by Clarke above, with the generally positive reception the team and manager got before, during and after the game IMO. true, and I think it's a mistake for him to extrapolate the fallout from 2 bad away losses into a general doom and gloom situation. It annoys fans like us who are generally supportive. I still fail to see how 5,000 fans is such a big deal. I can understand the trepidation of playing at wembley, man u, even a 15,000 crowd, but a 5,000 crowd, or 500 away fans, seems poxy to me. nothing to be scared of at all. i suspect there maybe some 'clever' psychology going on. or maybe not one or the other...
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 10, 2014 15:12:32 GMT
Was told a certain Mr G J was there last night!! Perhaps he had a free ticket off of @roadman?
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Post by Centenary Gas on Sept 10, 2014 15:15:36 GMT
The meltdown after we lost to Braintree was both unbelievable, staggering and yet understandable all at the same time. I couldn't believe we had gone from thinking we had turned the corner to thinking that an away loss where we were on the wrong end of a shocking penalty decision and had a good goal disallowed for an incorrect offside call was the end of the world. Having said that I completely understood why Gasheads had just had enough of the fact we are so blooming bad on the road and they weren't happy they had travelled across the country to watch a poor defeat. What I didn't agree with was the hounding of Darrell Clarke and the doom and gloom merchants coming out to say they were right all along about him being out of his depth, etc. As I've said, we had previously picked up 7 points from 9 but a loss suddenly meant our manager was not good enough. Absolute twaddle. He may or may not prove to be the man who can get the club back in the Football League but to say he needs sacking already is utter lunacy. We have conceded just one goal at home in four games and have picked up 10 points, which is an outstanding record. In those games we have defeated a side who had previously won every single game and a team with a 100% record on the road. These sides, undoubtedly, will be towards the top of the division come April and yet we beat them both. Did we achieve this sort of thing under previous managers? Not really. The team are playing for the shirts and look as though they love playing football and that's not something that can be said of previous Rovers teams. We are competing in every home game and if DC can get better results on the road we will be in the top half of the league and in with a shout of the play-offs. We are creating goalscoring opportunities, we look much more organised and our set-pieces look threatening for the first time in years thanks to Dave Martin and Lee Mansell. The fitness levels look good and that is going to be highlighted more and more as the season wears on. I have been behind Darrell from the start and continue to think he is implementing improvement on the pitch. This thread is a good one and will hopefully show the constant moaners that in comparison to recent years things are slowly getting better with the team. I hope for his sake and of course our own that we can pick up some form on the road and get to where we want to be this season. Great post
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 15:19:42 GMT
Gas Go Marching In is it necessary to tag @roadman every time GJ is mentioned? No wonder he doesn't post here as much as we'd like.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 10, 2014 15:22:16 GMT
Gas Go Marching In is it necessary to tag @roadman every time GJ is mentioned? No wonder he doesn't post here as much as we'd like. Yes. I can't help it if he can't hack the banter.
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