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Post by peterparker on Dec 5, 2017 10:31:05 GMT
I totally understood the reasons why the family bought the Football Club in the first place. I'm really struggling now to understsnd why as Investment Bankers they 'appear' to want to remain as the Club's owners. Genuine Question - Anyone any ideas? That is the question everyone should be asking- why are they still here when it seems they either do not have the appetite, or the money, or even both, to give the club a modern infrastructure in a timely manner. Wael made it sound like siginificant progress could be decades away rather than years and that is if you even believe he will achieve it at all. I rather fear that, as the colony land is owned by 'dwane sports colony', Hani now smells a chance to build a training ground on the cheap and charge Bristol Rovers a not very peppercorn rent to use the facilities- well, what facilities there are for a 2 million spend. All in all it seems to me we would be best served if they publicly declared the club is for sale so that if there is someone with the financial clout to rescue the UWE deal or explore other sites they can get involved ASAP. I really really worry that both Hamer and Wael reiterated that they are in it for the long haul when they don't seem to have the means to make anything happen. So Dwane will charge it's self an expensive rent
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 5, 2017 10:34:56 GMT
For me it is only a matter of time before the current owners walk away. They have pretty much pulled out on all projects that meant the most to fans. Somehow our fan base has been convinced that UWE was never good idea, they have also not submitted any plans for the training ground. When it has come to the crunch, they do not want to invest serious money required for a stadium and training facility. I feel like the fan base has been conned personally. We are not much better off than we were when Nick Higgs handed over the reigns. We are the same dog, flashier collar, same old sh!t. Anyone believing the bollocks about revenue streams aren't worth it, needs a word with themselves. BRFC will never be a money making football club, like most football clubs. Sorry but we are in such a poor position now, only the playing side of things i will support and believe in. They already have planning permission to build Phase 1 of the training ground which covers to £2m commitment. Phase 2 is the academy which is a different matter all together !
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Post by blueridge on Dec 5, 2017 11:39:26 GMT
That is the question everyone should be asking- why are they still here when it seems they either do not have the appetite, or the money, or even both, to give the club a modern infrastructure in a timely manner. Wael made it sound like siginificant progress could be decades away rather than years and that is if you even believe he will achieve it at all. I rather fear that, as the colony land is owned by 'dwane sports colony', Hani now smells a chance to build a training ground on the cheap and charge Bristol Rovers a not very peppercorn rent to use the facilities- well, what facilities there are for a 2 million spend. All in all it seems to me we would be best served if they publicly declared the club is for sale so that if there is someone with the financial clout to rescue the UWE deal or explore other sites they can get involved ASAP. I really really worry that both Hamer and Wael reiterated that they are in it for the long haul when they don't seem to have the means to make anything happen. So Dwane will charge it's self an expensive rent Which will be added to the debt account and will have to be paid for IF the owners decide to sell?
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Post by peterparker on Dec 5, 2017 12:09:34 GMT
So Dwane will charge it's self an expensive rent Which will be added to the debt account and will have to be paid for IF the owners decide to sell? IF they decide to sell in which case a) you would think they would be looking at now and b) cutting spending not carrying on.
simply increasing any potential debt owed to them will achieve what? either they will get paid back very slowly, they will have to write some of it off otherwise no one will take on the club
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Post by blueridge on Dec 5, 2017 12:19:38 GMT
Which will be added to the debt account and will have to be paid for IF the owners decide to sell? IF they decide to sell in which case a) you would think they would be looking at now and b) cutting spending not carrying on.
simply increasing any potential debt owed to them will achieve what? either they will get paid back very slowly, they will have to write some of it off otherwise no one will take on the club
Who knows what's going on - hypothetical at the moment because they won't be in a position to charge rent for another two years anyway.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 5, 2017 13:06:47 GMT
For me it is only a matter of time before the current owners walk away. They have pretty much pulled out on all projects that meant the most to fans. Somehow our fan base has been convinced that UWE was never good idea, they have also not submitted any plans for the training ground. When it has come to the crunch, they do not want to invest serious money required for a stadium and training facility. I feel like the fan base has been conned personally. We are not much better off than we were when Nick Higgs handed over the reigns. We are the same dog, flashier collar, same old sh!t. Anyone believing the bollocks about revenue streams aren't worth it, needs a word with themselves. BRFC will never be a money making football club, like most football clubs. Sorry but we are in such a poor position now, only the playing side of things i will support and believe in. I guess if you want to look for the negatives that's how it looks, but looking at it from another angle the ALQ's haven't failed to deliver on any promises and if the UWE wouldn't play ball (they've never come out and blamed the ALQ's) they couldn't force them into agreeing a reasonable deal. They have bought and obtained pp for the training ground, spent £100K on the pitch and tarted the ground up, plus our debts are under control, rather than out of control under NH. So are we in a better position than under NH, Yes, are we where we'd hope we'd be, No, but at least we've still got a league club to support.
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Post by blueridge on Dec 5, 2017 13:29:29 GMT
For me it is only a matter of time before the current owners walk away. They have pretty much pulled out on all projects that meant the most to fans. Somehow our fan base has been convinced that UWE was never good idea, they have also not submitted any plans for the training ground. When it has come to the crunch, they do not want to invest serious money required for a stadium and training facility. I feel like the fan base has been conned personally. We are not much better off than we were when Nick Higgs handed over the reigns. We are the same dog, flashier collar, same old sh!t. Anyone believing the bollocks about revenue streams aren't worth it, needs a word with themselves. BRFC will never be a money making football club, like most football clubs. Sorry but we are in such a poor position now, only the playing side of things i will support and believe in. They already have planning permission to build Phase 1 of the training ground which covers to £2m commitment. Phase 2 is the academy which is a different matter all together ! Where on the SGC planning application site can I find this - it's not apparent.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 5, 2017 13:34:06 GMT
They already have planning permission to build Phase 1 of the training ground which covers to £2m commitment. Phase 2 is the academy which is a different matter all together ! Where on the SGC planning application site can I find this - it's not apparent. When DS purchased the land, one of the requirements was to amend the current existing (but lapsed) Planning permission for pitches & changing facilities/club house etc That amendment was passed by South Glous planning and is still current. So the can go ahead and start work if they wanted to ..... developments.southglos.gov.uk/online-applications/simpleSearchResults.do?action=firstPage
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Post by knowall on Dec 5, 2017 13:36:17 GMT
So Dwane will charge it's self an expensive rent Which will be added to the debt account and will have to be paid for IF the owners decide to sell? and your point is?
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Post by xplosivgas on Dec 5, 2017 13:37:50 GMT
I too disagree about the UWE. Had it got over the line - even if it was not on ideal terms - I feel we'd be in a far better position. That's because if it went tits up financially, we'd be an appealing prospect for prospective new owners - as we'd still have a sparkly new ground with a good fan base. I'm sure someone would have put a bid in to enable the owners to cut their losses and move on. However.,,now we're well and truly stuck at the Mem, I can't see anyone ever wanting to mount a serious take over. Especially several years down the line by which time we'll have suffocating debts. I wonder if Coventry fans said the same when they sold Highfield Rd, or even our owners said when we sold Eastville? Same thing could happen at the UWE as the Ricoh where we could end up bing tenants to Bristol RFC if we did ever fall on hard times, although why would the ALQ's gamble £30/40m of investors money in the hope it would turn out OK in the end? It would've been a totally different set of circumstances, and my personal view is we'd be far better off than we are now. But the opportunity is now long gone, so no point in dwelling on it I suppose.
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Post by blueridge on Dec 5, 2017 13:39:25 GMT
Which will be added to the debt account and will have to be paid for IF the owners decide to sell? and your point is? Didn't you notice the question mark? I think you could probably answer the question yourself if you thought about it.
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Post by blueridge on Dec 5, 2017 13:41:33 GMT
Where on the SGC planning application site can I find this - it's not apparent. When DS purchased the land, one of the requirements was to amend the current existing (but lapsed) Planning permission for pitches & changing facilities/club house etc That amendment was passed by South Glous planning and is still current. So the can go ahead and start work if they wanted to ..... developments.southglos.gov.uk/online-applications/simpleSearchResults.do?action=firstPageThanks for that.
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Post by oldtoteender on Dec 5, 2017 20:56:08 GMT
My worry is we are slipping further and further behind our rivals in every aspect, the longer we stagnate as a club i feel our crowds will drop back to the faithful 5000 mark and it will be difficult attracting the younger fans to our club.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 21:05:49 GMT
Where on the SGC planning application site can I find this - it's not apparent. When DS purchased the land, one of the requirements was to amend the current existing (but lapsed) Planning permission for pitches & changing facilities/club house etc That amendment was passed by South Glous planning and is still current. So the can go ahead and start work if they wanted to ..... developments.southglos.gov.uk/online-applications/simpleSearchResults.do?action=firstPageFrom Waels latest interview it would appear to me that he fully accepts that work can start on the Colony. After all he stated they were awaiting quotes from companies to project manage the work.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 5, 2017 21:07:14 GMT
From Waels latest interview it would appear to me that he fully accepts that work can start on the Colony. After all he stated they were awaiting quotes from companies to project manage the work. Park Hampers are going to build it so we can pay a little off every week and get it by Xmas.
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Post by Somersetgas on Dec 5, 2017 22:46:17 GMT
Has Hani ever spoken? I haven’t heard an interview, but Knowing me I missed it There is an interview with hani somewhere related to investment opportunities in the middle east. He speaks well but coldly about taking opportunities that occur in war torn countries where good investments can be found. Thanks for the info
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on Dec 6, 2017 7:28:39 GMT
If Bodin goes in January and there is no money spent then I might start to become rather annoyed. If they say it's going to happen then we should believe them. Why lie to the fans? The club seems to have been bought as a plaything for Wael as he is heavily involved in football back home in Jordan, but he needed to own a club to boost his profile. There is no way as investors they will allow debts to keep piling up and if they can't improve things on the cheap then one day they will be off and the club sold to the highest bidder. Let's hope that isn't a property development company with zero interest in football!!!!!!!!
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Post by gasincider on Dec 6, 2017 8:28:02 GMT
Presumably you mean Eddie Ware ? His name keeps coming up but he hasn’t the resources to buy us
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Post by blueridge on Dec 6, 2017 9:21:17 GMT
From Waels latest interview it would appear to me that he fully accepts that work can start on the Colony. After all he stated they were awaiting quotes from companies to project manage the work. So on the face of it they have completed their "pre- planning discussions" with SGC and are effectively ready to go. They have a 29 acre site and under the 'new plans' will be using as a guess approximately just 9 acres. A full sized pitch is approx 1.5 acres. I'm surprised they won't need planning permission if they are planning to build at least a structure with changing, treatment and eating facilities et al. Presumably they'll be planning to play their Development squad matches there as well.
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Post by peterparker on Dec 6, 2017 9:29:23 GMT
From Waels latest interview it would appear to me that he fully accepts that work can start on the Colony. After all he stated they were awaiting quotes from companies to project manage the work. So on the face of it they have completed their "pre- planning discussions" with SGC and are effectively ready to go. They have a 29 acre site and under the 'new plans' will be using as a guess approximately just 9 acres. A full sized pitch is approx 1.5 acres. I'm surprised they won't need planning permission if they are planning to build at least a structure with changing, treatment and eating facilities et al. Presumably they'll be planning to play their Development squad matches there as well. We have the original Rugby planning consent which consisted of changing rooms and a clubhouse facility I'm sure
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