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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 3, 2017 19:13:45 GMT
I haven't seen it but as a general point I find myself having more and more sympathy for refs nowadays. The pressure is so high with video from every angle; pundits scrutinising every decision, reporters shoving mics in the managers faces practically begging them to criticise them to make a story, and of course the biggest factor being the dishonesty of players, making it impossible for a ref to trust what he is seeing and take it at face value. Whilst I created this post. I totally agree. There is so much presser and refs have to deal with schmarks like me pointing out their mistakes. They need help for sure. I find it kinda strange that there are constant calls for more and more video technology but few for more full-time refs. If each prem club gave a little more kitty we could easily ensure every game in the football league was "ref'd" by a full time pros. Often they are simply unfit. I agree re fitness. You have a fat man in his 30s trying to keep up with the play of 20 something athletes.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 3, 2017 19:15:29 GMT
Good thread. I thought yesterday’s ref wasn’t too bad. He didn’t make many wrong decisions nor any match changing mistakes. I found him frustrating because he didn’t seem to clamp down on Rotherham’s time wasting when they scored but at least he was consistent when we were leading. I thought the ref at Charlton, opening game, was far worse and his poor decisions were game changing. When that happens teams have a genuine grievance and he was poor. I was at Bournemouth this afternoon for the Southampton match and the ref, Alan Moss, made several mistakes. Again they weren’t game changing so no club gained an advantage. But watching the PL refs I can say that they aren’t much different from the ones I see at Rovers. Tbh watching matches as a fan (at Rovers) and as a pure neutral (at Bournemouth) you do get a different perspective. At Bournemouth I see some refs get real dogs abuse from the fans where I sit, yet in my conversations with people I’ve sat with for many years, I will say that the ref was ok and didn’t get much wrong, but they can’t see it. Watching as a neutral you see more and can judge easier the decisions made. But as a Rovers fan I can be just as biased when I watch us. Madgas is absolutely right about what a difficult job they have. PL players seem to dive and fall over a lot more than players I see in League 1. I think we are, as fans, too involved and too close to our teams to be truly unbiased. Usually if we win we’re happy with the ref and if we lose, we aren’t and he’s one of the worse refs we’ve ever seen! Today I saw a couple of poor decisions where the players fell over and got free kicks. Yet I thought they dived or fell too easily. 10 minutes later Bournemouth’s Adam Smith went in the Southampton penalty area was tackled and got booked for diving. Bournemouth players were angry and surrounded the ref, I was too far away to judge but teams get what they deserve. It is the players fault for continually trying to cheat and get decisions, they make it impossible for refs to always get it right. In the end you reap what you sow!! Because they fall over so easily, when the big decisions come to be made they are to blame for trying to kid the refs. The refs are trying to do their best but get little help. Linesmen or assistant refs are absolutely useless and are getting worse. They never make any independent decisions. For every throw in they look to the ref and put their flags up, agreeing with whatever the ref had decided, about a split second after the ref has made the decision. They rarely see things and then make decisions. We had a moment today when the ball went out, the ref waited for the linesman to decide but he didn’t. So the ref made a decision and the linesman put his flag up to agree. It was embarrassing for the linesman.
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Dec 3, 2017 19:20:03 GMT
Post by warehamgas on Dec 3, 2017 19:20:03 GMT
Did anyone see the stonewall penalty that Watford were denied yesterday? That was the worst decision I think I have seen this season. Until I saw Welbecks penalty for Arsenal. Or rather not a penalty on MOTD. Very poor non decision! But it must have been easy to judge because it was just the two of them and not a big crowd.
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Dec 4, 2017 11:36:34 GMT
Post by gasincider on Dec 4, 2017 11:36:34 GMT
Told the ref at Blackburn apologised this week for the disallowed goal. To little too late. Bring in technology. To many games are being changed by poor decisions, which though not deliberate, can be massively reduced.
All games are televised, so it wouldn't be difficult.
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Dec 4, 2017 11:41:23 GMT
Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 4, 2017 11:41:23 GMT
Told the ref at Blackburn apologised this week for the disallowed goal. To little too late. Bring in technology. To many games are being changed by poor decisions, which though not deliberate, can be massively reduced. All games are televised, so it wouldn't be difficult. But can we afford to buy such equipment, we struggle to pay for basic things at the moment
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Dec 4, 2017 11:48:49 GMT
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Post by tommym9 on Dec 4, 2017 11:48:49 GMT
Told the ref at Blackburn apologised this week for the disallowed goal. To little too late. Bring in technology. To many games are being changed by poor decisions, which though not deliberate, can be massively reduced. All games are televised, so it wouldn't be difficult. I was having this chat recently and I actually think it should stop at the goal line technology and the retrospective ban for diving. Poor decisions give us all something to talk about after the game. I think the problem now is that poor decisions can be worth a lot of money so we'll eventually get video refs at all levels.
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Dec 4, 2017 11:59:09 GMT
Post by gasincider on Dec 4, 2017 11:59:09 GMT
Told the ref at Blackburn apologised this week for the disallowed goal. To little too late. Bring in technology. To many games are being changed by poor decisions, which though not deliberate, can be massively reduced. All games are televised, so it wouldn't be difficult. But can we afford to buy such equipment, we struggle to pay for basic things at the moment As the games are currently televised, all that would be required is a video ref to oversee any dubious decisions.
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Dec 4, 2017 12:04:15 GMT
Post by gasincider on Dec 4, 2017 12:04:15 GMT
Told the ref at Blackburn apologised this week for the disallowed goal. To little too late. Bring in technology. To many games are being changed by poor decisions, which though not deliberate, can be massively reduced. All games are televised, so it wouldn't be difficult. I was having this chat recently and I actually think it should stop at the goal line technology and the retrospective ban for diving. Poor decisions give us all something to talk about after the game. I think the problem now is that poor decisions can be worth a lot of money so we'll eventually get video refs at all levels. Can't believe you mean that. What can be wrong about getting correct decisions, or should we just throw the rule book away? Video refs haven't harmed rugby league, so try it in football. This season alone it's cost us at Charlton and Blackburn. Not to mention dodgy yellows and reds. I know it happens to other clubs as well, but that doesn't make it right. In any other walk walk of life we want thinks done in the right way, so why not football?
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Post by supergas on Dec 4, 2017 12:24:12 GMT
I think the first step is getting assistant refs to actually start making decisions on incidents that happen closer to them than to the referee. I know they bang on about being mic'd up and all but when the refs 40 yards away and their full-back clatters into our winger 5 yards in front of him I want the assistant to be waving his flag and giving that decision, something that doesn't happen often enough.....
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Dec 4, 2017 12:26:13 GMT
Post by tommym9 on Dec 4, 2017 12:26:13 GMT
I was having this chat recently and I actually think it should stop at the goal line technology and the retrospective ban for diving. Poor decisions give us all something to talk about after the game. I think the problem now is that poor decisions can be worth a lot of money so we'll eventually get video refs at all levels. Can't believe you mean that. What can be wrong about getting correct decisions, or should we just throw the rule book away? Video refs haven't harmed rugby league, so try it in football. This season alone it's cost us at Charlton and Blackburn. Not to mention dodgy yellows and reds. I know it happens to other clubs as well, but that doesn't make it right. In any other walk walk of life we want thinks done in the right way, so why not football? Football isn't like anything in any other walk of life. I'd like 95% of decisions to be correct, but you need the wrong ones to fuel debate I would argue. If we don't have that we'll have to talk about the football god forbid! I'm also not keen on breaking the game up to review decisions, I very much enjoy that football can be fast paced with few interruptions. I don't think the ref cost us anything against Charlton and Blackburn controversially.
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Dec 4, 2017 12:44:41 GMT
Post by Baxtinho on Dec 4, 2017 12:44:41 GMT
After our season in the conference I make a point to never criticise referees, even less so in the Premier League..
Was it Barnet at home with the handball on the line that was given as a corner?
While I'm here, it gets on my nerves when fans chant about the referee, as if that'd make him any more likely to give a favourable 50:50 towards the team who's fans have been calling him all sorts.
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Post by Baxtinho on Dec 4, 2017 12:46:22 GMT
Whilst I created this post. I totally agree. There is so much presser and refs have to deal with schmarks like me pointing out their mistakes. They need help for sure. I find it kinda strange that there are constant calls for more and more video technology but few for more full-time refs. If each prem club gave a little more kitty we could easily ensure every game in the football league was "ref'd" by a full time pros. Often they are simply unfit. I agree re fitness. You have a fat man in his 30s trying to keep up with the play of 20 something athletes. Don't go criticising fat men in our thirties, me and tommym9 will be offended.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 4, 2017 13:17:11 GMT
I agree re fitness. You have a fat man in his 30s trying to keep up with the play of 20 something athletes. Don't go criticising fat men in our thirties, me and tommym9 will be offended. ummm
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