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Post by knowall on Dec 18, 2017 11:33:11 GMT
I dont see how getting rid of all bar the aforementioned will generate any real money especially if as suggested we have to buy out contracts of players who attract no interest. Huge clearouts seldom work , just remember Paul Buckles rebuild job, that went well didnt it, be very careful what you wish for, a 'new' team of journeymen is a recipe for absolute disaster. Lets trust the manager to evolve this squad next summer.
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Post by knowall on Dec 18, 2017 11:34:04 GMT
They where good enough to get us to 10th last season and they are good enough to do it this season as well
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Post by tommym9 on Dec 18, 2017 11:59:41 GMT
After the Southend game we were 5 points off the playoff places. I can't see how our season is dead and buried when putting a run together could see us climb the table rapidly. That put that its currently December and there is plenty more football to be played.
Wholesale changes to a squad rarely work and I would be amazed if it worked in January even if we could get the players in (which I doubt).
This isn't Football Manager!
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Post by faggotygas on Dec 18, 2017 12:06:18 GMT
I hope DC's recruitment is better this time round after all with the exception of Liam Secombe his recruits in the summer have not been a success. Three premiership youngsters, two never play and the other is nowhere near as good as he was last season as well as a big money signing (for us) and it shows he has so far got most of them wrong. I understand all this talk about new signings in Jan but for me they need to be experienced players, otherwise I would give some of our own youngsters a chance. Premier League youngsters are always a gamble. By their very nature they are untried and inexperienced, but when they pay off, they pay off big time (see Tammy Abraham).
Besides, you can hardly blame us for signing Sweeney based on last season.
Our 'big money signing' may have been historically big for us, but in this league it is peanuts. That kind of money will only ever get you potential, not the finished article, unless you are very lucky.
Nothing wrong with our keeper signings too, bearing in mind that they were free.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Dec 18, 2017 12:06:29 GMT
At this moment in time our season is dead and buried with only the prospect of mid table or relegation fight to look forward too. To that end how many fans think that the players we have will be good enough to get us to mid table obscurity? Life is all about opinions but I honestly believe that the ONLY players we have in our club worth having/ keeping are : Bodin, sercombe, Harrison and Lockyer. I personally would look to remove every other player in our squad, either by transfers/ loaning out or paying up their contracts. The manager has been extremely loyal to the players who have gotten us into this division but I think a total clear out in this window is needed and long overdue. By removing so many players at one time will obviously cause massive disruption but if we simply tweak things in January we will continue to struggle even next season. The money generated from this clearance sale would give us the opportunity to bring in the REAL quality required to survive this season and then build for next season. All the other players not on my mini list , in my opinion, are good enough ( with lack of skills,concentration and doing basic things well) to get to the next level/ top six our manager bangs on about. Short term pain now with long term gain is ,for me, the only option on the table. That would mean the owners spending some money & I see no evidence of that happening. We have to continue to turn up and give the existing players vocal support and hope our home form keeps producing points. The players you mention as good enough could well be gone come January. Who could blame them ?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 18, 2017 12:08:46 GMT
I hope DC's recruitment is better this time round after all with the exception of Liam Secombe his recruits in the summer have not been a success. Three premiership youngsters, two never play and the other is nowhere near as good as he was last season as well as a big money signing (for us) and it shows he has so far got most of them wrong. I understand all this talk about new signings in Jan but for me they need to be experienced players, otherwise I would give some of our own youngsters a chance. Premier League youngsters are always a gamble. By their very nature they are untried and inexperienced, but when they pay off, they pay off big time (see Tammy Abraham).
Besides, you can hardly blame us for signing Sweeney based on last season.
Our 'big money signing' may have been historically big for us, but in this league it is peanuts. That kind of money will only ever get you potential, not the finished article, unless you are very lucky.
Nothing wrong with our keeper signings too, bearing in mind that they were free.
So when we sale BB in Jan we should get what ? £1m ? £2m ? Bet we get £300,000 tops
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 12:11:39 GMT
I dont think you could do something this drastic in january. I do actually believe there will be quite a big clear out in the summer.
The best the manager at the club for next season can hope for though is the same budget as this season so a big exodus could go badly wrong.
One bright spot though is the progress of the development squad with several players close to a breakthrough hopefully.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 12:12:37 GMT
At this moment in time our season is dead and buried with only the prospect of mid table or relegation fight to look forward too. To that end how many fans think that the players we have will be good enough to get us to mid table obscurity? Life is all about opinions but I honestly believe that the ONLY players we have in our club worth having/ keeping are : Bodin, sercombe, Harrison and Lockyer. I personally would look to remove every other player in our squad, either by transfers/ loaning out or paying up their contracts. The manager has been extremely loyal to the players who have gotten us into this division but I think a total clear out in this window is needed and long overdue. By removing so many players at one time will obviously cause massive disruption but if we simply tweak things in January we will continue to struggle even next season. The money generated from this clearance sale would give us the opportunity to bring in the REAL quality required to survive this season and then build for next season. All the other players not on my mini list , in my opinion, are good enough ( with lack of skills,concentration and doing basic things well) to get to the next level/ top six our manager bangs on about. Short term pain now with long term gain is ,for me, the only option on the table. Thank you Paul. Are you Paul Trollope by any chance? It didn't work the first time did it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 12:13:54 GMT
At this moment in time our season is dead and buried with only the prospect of mid table or relegation fight to look forward too. To that end how many fans think that the players we have will be good enough to get us to mid table obscurity? Life is all about opinions but I honestly believe that the ONLY players we have in our club worth having/ keeping are : Bodin, sercombe, Harrison and Lockyer. I personally would look to remove every other player in our squad, either by transfers/ loaning out or paying up their contracts. The manager has been extremely loyal to the players who have gotten us into this division but I think a total clear out in this window is needed and long overdue. By removing so many players at one time will obviously cause massive disruption but if we simply tweak things in January we will continue to struggle even next season. The money generated from this clearance sale would give us the opportunity to bring in the REAL quality required to survive this season and then build for next season. All the other players not on my mini list , in my opinion, are good enough ( with lack of skills,concentration and doing basic things well) to get to the next level/ top six our manager bangs on about. Short term pain now with long term gain is ,for me, the only option on the table. Was there any reason why you didn't post this last Monday? Because his hope was renewed after a decent victory -now he's back down to reality. Don't pick - footballs a bipolar sport and you know this!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 12:15:51 GMT
Should he also get rid of paragraphs? Yawn... Its a forum not an essay!
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Post by Raj Gas on Dec 18, 2017 12:27:16 GMT
I hope DC's recruitment is better this time round after all with the exception of Liam Secombe his recruits in the summer have not been a success. Three premiership youngsters, two never play and the other is nowhere near as good as he was last season as well as a big money signing (for us) and it shows he has so far got most of them wrong. I understand all this talk about new signings in Jan but for me they need to be experienced players, otherwise I would give some of our own youngsters a chance. Premier League youngsters are always a gamble. By their very nature they are untried and inexperienced, but when they pay off, they pay off big time (see Tammy Abraham).
Besides, you can hardly blame us for signing Sweeney based on last season.
Our 'big money signing' may have been historically big for us, but in this league it is peanuts. That kind of money will only ever get you potential, not the finished article, unless you are very lucky.
Nothing wrong with our keeper signings too, bearing in mind that they were free.
I hear what you are saying re the youngsters but have we really given them a chance to prove that they are better than we have? Re Sweeney I sensed in the summer that we were always going to be second/third option and that worried me as I have seen enough loanees return over the years and not rediscover the form. I really hope Nicholls does work out because I don't think he has had the best opportunity to play to his strengths, I think he needs a target man up front to play off. However having spent that kind of money and then the recruitment seemed to stop I think this messed up DC's overall plan which I certainly don't blame him for.
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Post by faggotygas on Dec 18, 2017 12:30:16 GMT
Premier League youngsters are always a gamble. By their very nature they are untried and inexperienced, but when they pay off, they pay off big time (see Tammy Abraham).
Besides, you can hardly blame us for signing Sweeney based on last season.
Our 'big money signing' may have been historically big for us, but in this league it is peanuts. That kind of money will only ever get you potential, not the finished article, unless you are very lucky.
Nothing wrong with our keeper signings too, bearing in mind that they were free.
So when we sale BB in Jan we should get what ? £1m ? £2m ? Bet we get £300,000 tops If we do, it's just because his contract is running out. It's not his true value.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 12:47:16 GMT
D.C. has already stated in an interview a few weeks back that he wants to bring in some players of greater experience of this level at least. The 10th spot of last season was probably as good as that squad could achieve and the altered squad has not improved much. If you think that "had" Rovers won against Gillingham they would be sat in something like 8th spot...the table is that close through the middle section. Even the current squad "if" they can win all the home games will be able to finish top ten if fortunate with results elsewhere.
Im guessing Bola and Telford will go back to their clubs...that if fit James Clark will go out on loan (?) Lines may go out on loan .Burn may join York (?) Moore will go out on loan/join new club....and Broom will go out on loan. This will release some cash perhaps. With luck Bodin will stay. It could be five players arrive in January. Then possibly a further five or six in the summer.
The squad has reached its zenith and can only go backwards really.
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Post by gasincider on Dec 18, 2017 12:53:04 GMT
At this moment in time our season is dead and buried with only the prospect of mid table or relegation fight to look forward too. To that end how many fans think that the players we have will be good enough to get us to mid table obscurity? Life is all about opinions but I honestly believe that the ONLY players we have in our club worth having/ keeping are : Bodin, sercombe, Harrison and Lockyer. I personally would look to remove every other player in our squad, either by transfers/ loaning out or paying up their contracts. The manager has been extremely loyal to the players who have gotten us into this division but I think a total clear out in this window is needed and long overdue. By removing so many players at one time will obviously cause massive disruption but if we simply tweak things in January we will continue to struggle even next season. The money generated from this clearance sale would give us the opportunity to bring in the REAL quality required to survive this season and then build for next season. All the other players not on my mini list , in my opinion, are good enough ( with lack of skills,concentration and doing basic things well) to get to the next level/ top six our manager bangs on about. Short term pain now with long term gain is ,for me, the only option on the table. Started to read this, but then got to the bit about Lockyer. Yer avin a Larf ain't ya? The only way to try and resurrect Locks is to take the captaincy off him and hope. If that doesn't work get rid. Look at where he is for the second goal Saturday. He didn't try to put a foot in.
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Post by gasincider on Dec 18, 2017 12:56:24 GMT
So when we sale BB in Jan we should get what ? £1m ? £2m ? Bet we get £300,000 tops If we do, it's just because his contract is running out. It's not his true value. It is if you see him away from home. He's almost disinterested. At home a different player. Anyone interested in him will have seen him home and away.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 13:01:54 GMT
At this moment in time our season is dead and buried with only the prospect of mid table or relegation fight to look forward too. To that end how many fans think that the players we have will be good enough to get us to mid table obscurity? Life is all about opinions but I honestly believe that the ONLY players we have in our club worth having/ keeping are : Bodin, sercombe, Harrison and Lockyer. I personally would look to remove every other player in our squad, either by transfers/ loaning out or paying up their contracts. The manager has been extremely loyal to the players who have gotten us into this division but I think a total clear out in this window is needed and long overdue. By removing so many players at one time will obviously cause massive disruption but if we simply tweak things in January we will continue to struggle even next season. The money generated from this clearance sale would give us the opportunity to bring in the REAL quality required to survive this season and then build for next season. All the other players not on my mini list , in my opinion, are good enough ( with lack of skills,concentration and doing basic things well) to get to the next level/ top six our manager bangs on about. Short term pain now with long term gain is ,for me, the only option on the table. Started to read this, but then got to the bit about Lockyer. Yer avin a Larf ain't ya? The only way to try and resurrect Locks is to take the captaincy off him and hope. If that doesn't work get rid. Look at where he is for the second goal Saturday. He didn't try to put a foot in. We already know that lockyer is not a physical coward,we know hes brave. So why did he lose out on the 50/50 tackle that led to their 2nd goal. MY take on it was that he was frightened to give away a penalty by not quite making the tackle. Fear of failure is a problem in a struggling[away] team. Just my view.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 18, 2017 13:03:15 GMT
So when we sale BB in Jan we should get what ? £1m ? £2m ? Bet we get £300,000 tops If we do, it's just because his contract is running out. It's not his true value. Which begs the question why are we not signing players with only a few months contract left ?
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Post by Marshy on Dec 18, 2017 13:06:44 GMT
If we do, it's just because his contract is running out. It's not his true value. Which begs the question why are we not signing players with only a few months contract left ? Because we’re skint and we haven’t got a pot to pi$$ in! 🤧
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 18, 2017 14:07:01 GMT
Should he also get rid of paragraphs? Yawn... Its a forum not an essay! Mais si j'écrivais en français, personne ne me comprendrait? Pas loin de ne pas utiliser de paragraphes.
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Post by faggotygas on Dec 18, 2017 14:12:44 GMT
If we do, it's just because his contract is running out. It's not his true value. Which begs the question why are we not signing players with only a few months contract left ? The cost of a player is not just the transfer value. Players in demand with only a few months left on their contract demand greater signing on fees, wages.
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