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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 18, 2017 16:33:46 GMT
I'm sure some posters on here are deluded if they think things aren't bad as when was the last time recently it felt pointless going to an away game as it was 99% certain we'd lose and probably get hammered? If we fail to win an home or two we'll be right in a relegation fight, one I fear the present squad would lose w/o much of a fight.
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Post by blueridge on Dec 18, 2017 17:38:22 GMT
In answer to the thread title, we're certainly not that good. The other worrying trend is that we are averaging over 600 supporters less per game up to now than last season. May not sound a lot but for a club of our size that would equate to around £200k+ in lost revenue at the end of season if it continues at this level.
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Post by markczgas on Dec 18, 2017 18:17:32 GMT
I think we are closer to a relegation side than a play off side so I'm worried. Are we going to keep Bodin ? Doesn't seem like it so we are going to be weaker soon too.
Why do I think closer to relegation apart from the obvious points difference is we have lost very badly to teams below us - Gills and Wimbledon, secondly our AWAY form is dreadful and there are no signs of improvement ( how many points do we realistically think we can pick up Away now ? ( a handful at best ??) Lastly, we don't pick up hardly any points v teams in the top half of the table. So I'd say our position is pretty fragile and with Bodin's departure more likely than not I fear a nerve-jangling last 20 odd games to the season.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 18, 2017 18:39:35 GMT
The next few home games could be interesting unless we can produce Southend rather than Dons type performances:
Doncaster Pompey Wigan (to be rearranged) Bradford Shrewsbury Rochdale Scunny
Doncaster & Rochdale look winnable but the others look real tough games and we still have Charlton & Blackburn to play at the Mem before the end of the season! We've got to play all the top 7 at the Mem.
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Post by Marshy on Dec 18, 2017 19:05:10 GMT
The next few home games could be interesting unless we can produce Southend rather than Dons type performances: Doncaster Pompey Wigan (to be rearranged) Bradford Shrewsbury Rochdale Scunny Doncaster & Rochdale look winnable but the others look real tough games and we still have Charlton & Blackburn to play at the Mem before the end of the season! We've got to play all the top 7 at the Mem. Better than playing them away that’s for sure! We will be okay, keep the faith.
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Post by dragonfly on Dec 18, 2017 20:40:26 GMT
Watching the South East news tonight as they covered the goals, the presenter referred to "the shoddy Bristol Rovers defence". It was sickening to hear that description but one fully deserved. None of our Players made a determined effort to follow up the first penalty kick, whereas three Gills pounced immediately. So it leads me to think that they really don't give a damn about our Club or the poor souls who sat in that cold , lonely place at that away end. It appears that they are collectively not really trying in a lot of games but doing just enough in other games to keep us just above relegation. So when DC asked them did they have an issue with him, well perhaps they do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 20:46:52 GMT
The next few home games could be interesting unless we can produce Southend rather than Dons type performances: Doncaster Pompey Wigan (to be rearranged) Bradford Shrewsbury Rochdale Scunny Doncaster & Rochdale look winnable but the others look real tough games and we still have Charlton & Blackburn to play at the Mem before the end of the season! We've got to play all the top 7 at the Mem. Don't forget Southend and Rotherham were awful don't think will play teams that bad again
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 21:04:09 GMT
Watching the South East news tonight as they covered the goals, the presenter referred to "the shoddy Bristol Rovers defence". It was sickening to hear that description but one fully deserved. None of our Players made a determined effort to follow up the first penalty kick, whereas three Gills pounced immediately. So it leads me to think that they really don't give a damn about our Club or the poor souls who sat in that cold , lonely place at that away end. It appears that they are collectively not really trying in a lot of games but doing just enough in other games to keep us just above relegation. So when DC asked them did they have an issue with him, well perhaps they do. Criticism of our quality I accept but I would never question the attitude and desire that this group under DC has shown in recent years. Do you honestly think they pick and choose when to try in order to stay just above relegation? Some of the mercenaries of the past maybe.
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Post by dragonfly on Dec 18, 2017 21:07:56 GMT
Not following up the penalty spoke volumes about attitude and desire.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 18, 2017 21:33:37 GMT
Watching the South East news tonight as they covered the goals, the presenter referred to "the shoddy Bristol Rovers defence". It was sickening to hear that description but one fully deserved. None of our Players made a determined effort to follow up the first penalty kick, whereas three Gills pounced immediately. So it leads me to think that they really don't give a damn about our Club or the poor souls who sat in that cold , lonely place at that away end. It appears that they are collectively not really trying in a lot of games but doing just enough in other games to keep us just above relegation. So when DC asked them did they have an issue with him, well perhaps they do. Criticism of our quality I accept but I would never question the attitude and desire that this group under DC has shown in recent years. Do you honestly think they pick and choose when to try in order to stay just above relegation? Some of the mercenaries of the past maybe. Personally I think they turn up for the bigger away games, Scunthorpe, Blackburn but not for the smaller clubs, Shrewsbury , Gillingham (both for the second season running)
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 18, 2017 21:36:05 GMT
The next few home games could be interesting unless we can produce Southend rather than Dons type performances: Doncaster Pompey Wigan (to be rearranged) Bradford Shrewsbury Rochdale Scunny Doncaster & Rochdale look winnable but the others look real tough games and we still have Charlton & Blackburn to play at the Mem before the end of the season! We've got to play all the top 7 at the Mem. Better than playing them away that’s for sure! We will be okay, keep the faith. Is though, if we lose away we can always beat a lower league team next at home, but if we fail to win at home against them then the chances of us winning the next game away seems slim at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 0:17:59 GMT
Watching the South East news tonight as they covered the goals, the presenter referred to "the shoddy Bristol Rovers defence". It was sickening to hear that description but one fully deserved. None of our Players made a determined effort to follow up the first penalty kick, whereas three Gills pounced immediately. So it leads me to think that they really don't give a damn about our Club or the poor souls who sat in that cold , lonely place at that away end. It appears that they are collectively not really trying in a lot of games but doing just enough in other games to keep us just above relegation. So when DC asked them did they have an issue with him, well perhaps they do. I dont think the "penalty kick " comment is fair as the taker has a few yards on everyone and already knew where he was placing his kick,almost any penalty pushed back out or saved onto a post will be met by the penalty taker first,you see it all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 18:59:55 GMT
The difference in the stats really is whether you like watching your team lose or not. 13 defeats from 22 games that's nearly 60% of games. compared to 8 defeats from 22 games which is nearer 35% of games. The points might be similar but reality is you prefer walking away from a game having drawn than losing. If you looked at away games then its more magnified with nearer 80% defeats. (all figures are guess-timates ) I’d be happier with losing more games this season and having a higher points total come the end of the season than losing less games and having less points though. Wouldn’t you ? At the end of the season when all the games are finished more points are better on the board. Though if it made no difference to whether the playoffs were reached or relegation was the result then im sure most fans would rather not walk away from the stadium miserable after another defeat. I will ask the question then...to those at the Gillingham game. When walking away from the ground did you think well im glad rovers have won 2 out of the 11 away games ive gone too to get six points. Or would you have preferred to have seen six draws and five defeats on those travels ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 19:16:17 GMT
I’d be happier with losing more games this season and having a higher points total come the end of the season than losing less games and having less points though. Wouldn’t you ? At the end of the season when all the games are finished more points are better on the board. Though if it made no difference to whether the playoffs were reached or relegation was the result then im sure most fans would rather not walk away from the stadium miserable after another defeat. I will ask the question then...to those at the Gillingham game. When walking away from the ground did you think well im glad rovers have won 2 out of the 11 away games ive gone too to get six points. Or would you have preferred to have seen six draws and five defeats on those travels ?
Six draws would probably give us a better goal difference
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Post by pucklegas on Dec 19, 2017 19:24:30 GMT
We have conceded far too many goals, even if we had De Gea in goal we would concede plenty, need a quality defensive midfielder and an organiser at the back, we are shambollic at times. Don’t think we will go down but we certainly won’t make the play offs without significant changes. Not going to slate anyone but players need to be shipped out on loan, or released if possible to free up wages. Forest green, Yeovil and Cheltenham might take some of them off our hands.
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Post by markczgas on Dec 19, 2017 19:49:36 GMT
We have conceded far too many goals, even if we had De Gea in goal we would concede plenty, need a quality defensive midfielder and an organiser at the back, we are shambollic at times. Don’t think we will go down but we certainly won’t make the play offs without significant changes. Not going to slate anyone but players need to be shipped out on loan, or released if possible to free up wages. Forest green, Yeovil and Cheltenham might take some of them off our hands. Agreed, but does the club have funds to replace some of these under-performers ? Yes, I think Bola and Telford should go back if that's possible. And then we have a few like Moore and Brown who could be informed that it's in their interest to go out on loan as they won't be re-signed in the summer. So can we get 4 or 5 new faces in - we badly need them that's for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 20:03:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 22:18:05 GMT
We have conceded far too many goals, even if we had De Gea in goal we would concede plenty, need a quality defensive midfielder and an organiser at the back, we are shambollic at times. Don’t think we will go down but we certainly won’t make the play offs without significant changes. Not going to slate anyone but players need to be shipped out on loan, or released if possible to free up wages. Forest green, Yeovil and Cheltenham might take some of them off our hands. Yeovil and cheltenham could only take players from us if we pay half their salary though,probably meaning dc would have half their salary to use in signing players.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 22:35:38 GMT
We have conceded far too many goals, even if we had De Gea in goal we would concede plenty, need a quality defensive midfielder and an organiser at the back, we are shambollic at times. Don’t think we will go down but we certainly won’t make the play offs without significant changes. Not going to slate anyone but players need to be shipped out on loan, or released if possible to free up wages. Forest green, Yeovil and Cheltenham might take some of them off our hands. Yeovil and cheltenham could only take players from us if we pay half their salary though,probably meaning dc would have half their salary to use in signing players. How do you know this?
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Post by yategas78 on Dec 19, 2017 22:42:01 GMT
Blimey are are players that bad to end up at FGR, Cheltenham or Yeovile??
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