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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 15:15:06 GMT
Again, that seems to me to be a distinctly small time mentality and makes me despair in a lot of ways. Your post reads like you are taking delight in the fact that the sh** sandwich you have been served has got nuts in it (financially savvy people!) and nice garnish (we own our stadium!). Things are not bad at the moment, they are okay, or adequate. I think the problem at Bristol Rovers is that we have been so sh**, treated like sh** and run so badly for so long that things that other clubs, even ones at our level, assume by default we see as things that we would be lucky to have because we are poor old Bristol Rovers. Our stadium is a toilet and the financially savvy owners have so far only proved they are financially savvy by raising the thought we could be homeless if things turn for the worse. Our manager is the only person at the club with any sort of ambition and the will and drive to make that happen. He should be being backed to the hilt but so far any money he has spent has been generated by him turning sh** into gold. DS and their dithering austerity model is perfect for a club like Yeovil or Accrington who deserve a dilapidated ground because frankly they are not well supported and are perhaps over achieving to be where they are. Bristol Rovers get 9000 in a terrible stadium, have taken big numbers to Wembley and Cardiff and could be a Championship club with the right investment. We deserve better owners who have larger means and big ambitions. Sadly we have lost that opportunity now as DS will never be removed, nor do they want to be. They are arrogant enough to think that their model of silence, long term evolution and giving up on ever being any sort of challenge to Bristol City is exactly what Bristol Rovers fans deserve. And there are some fans who are lapping that up, fair play to them, but it hurts me because it means that there will always be a ceiling to our ambitions and that ceiling doesn't even go as high as having another league derby in our lifetimes. It isn't good enough for me and more importantly it doesn't appear good enough for our manager who we will lose soon because he is not happy about the direction of the club and, worryingly, is not afraid to say so. Its just about bristol city then really? If your family was full of City supporters reminding you about that bloody gap 24/7 you would understand!
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Post by dickiedamsell on Jan 27, 2018 15:17:31 GMT
We need plenty of time to maybe change things, perhaps call in the Dr and his kiosk hey.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 15:25:27 GMT
I think people having big doubts and worries about the owners is understandable. I just dont feel the vitriolic dismissive and sometimes racist nastiness is justified. The UWE project collapse was a setback for the owners as well as the fans but i believe they deserve time to formulate plans to take the club forward. That is all well and good but how much time do they need just to come up with some artist's impressions for the redeveloped memorial stadium? We have had nothing but silence since the collapse of the UWE deal and even then they only told us when they did because a fan leaked the news. That news update by Hearts that Swiss Gas posted shows how badly run we are in contrast with others. Hearts are a club looking for full transparency from the top who wanted their fans to know they were making best endeavours to move the club forward. That would be such a quick win, for the club to be transparent, however Rovers fans get told that DS doesn't communicate with the media and far from being sceptical fans lap it up! So yes, they obviously need time but their sheer lack of any concrete plans and timescales and poor communication along the way paints DS as an organisation that has no idea what it is doing or what it's long term plan actually is. They have been here two years already and all we know is that there will be significant improvement to the toilets at the end of the season, significant improvement that would surely be wasted money if they were truly planning on redeveloping the stadium in the next 5 years?
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Post by singupgas on Jan 27, 2018 15:45:32 GMT
I think people having big doubts and worries about the owners is understandable. I just dont feel the vitriolic dismissive and sometimes racist nastiness is justified. The UWE project collapse was a setback for the owners as well as the fans but i believe they deserve time to formulate plans to take the club forward. That is all well and good but how much time do they need just to come up with some artist's impressions for the redeveloped memorial stadium? We have had nothing but silence since the collapse of the UWE deal and even then they only told us when they did because a fan leaked the news. That news update by Hearts that Swiss Gas posted shows how badly run we are in contrast with others. Hearts are a club looking for full transparency from the top who wanted their fans to know they were making best endeavours to move the club forward. That would be such a quick win, for the club to be transparent, however Rovers fans get told that DS doesn't communicate with the media and far from being sceptical fans lap it up! So yes, they obviously need time but their sheer lack of any concrete plans and timescales and poor communication along the way paints DS as an organisation that has no idea what it is doing or what it's long term plan actually is. They have been here two years already and all we know is that there will be significant improvement to the toilets at the end of the season, significant improvement that would surely be wasted money if they were truly planning on redeveloping the stadium in the next 5 years? Perfectly put. There has been no communication from the board to say what is going on and that is what is fuelling the doubt. Until plans are public the doubt will only continue to increase.
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Post by patchwaygas on Jan 27, 2018 15:52:02 GMT
To be fair they haven’t got anything to communicate!
We are where we are, transfers will depend on how much we can get by selling our best player every season, in the hope we can buy a cheap replacement and develop him into an adequate replacement.
There is no master plan for the Mem, because we have no money to develop it and so it will remain as it is for the foreseeable.
I still think they would be better off telling the fan base the reality of where we are rather than have constant speculation from the fans of how the Mem is going to look, or what facilities the training ground will have or which signing we are going to make.
Expectations need to be lowered!
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Post by LJG on Jan 27, 2018 15:53:05 GMT
I think people having big doubts and worries about the owners is understandable. I just dont feel the vitriolic dismissive and sometimes racist nastiness is justified. The UWE project collapse was a setback for the owners as well as the fans but i believe they deserve time to formulate plans to take the club forward. That is all well and good but how much time do they need just to come up with some artist's impressions for the redeveloped memorial stadium? We have had nothing but silence since the collapse of the UWE deal and even then they only told us when they did because a fan leaked the news. That news update by Hearts that Swiss Gas posted shows how badly run we are in contrast with others. Hearts are a club looking for full transparency from the top who wanted their fans to know they were making best endeavours to move the club forward. That would be such a quick win, for the club to be transparent, however Rovers fans get told that DS doesn't communicate with the media and far from being sceptical fans lap it up! So yes, they obviously need time but their sheer lack of any concrete plans and timescales and poor communication along the way paints DS as an organisation that has no idea what it is doing or what it's long term plan actually is. They have been here two years already and all we know is that there will be significant improvement to the toilets at the end of the season, significant improvement that would surely be wasted money if they were truly planning on redeveloping the stadium in the next 5 years? Who gives a sh1t about artists impressions? We had artists impressions of UWE. We had artists impressions of Severnside in 1992. Artists impressions mean f**k all. You talk about easily pleased. You'd rather be back at Twerton with some artists impressions than where we are now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 16:08:10 GMT
Who knows why they bought Rovers but they sure got lucky. Rovers have been on a three year roll since the takeover, let’s see what the future brings when the tide turns. Nobody knows. That is when I can judge more clearly, when things aren’t quite so rosey. Decisions made then will be an indication.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 16:09:35 GMT
To be fair they haven’t got anything to communicate! We are where we are, transfers will depend on how much we can get by selling our best player every season, in the hope we can buy a cheap replacement and develop him into an adequate replacement. There is no master plan for the Mem, because we have no money to develop it and so it will remain as it is for the foreseeable. I still think they would be better off telling the fan base the reality of where we are rather than have constant speculation from the fans of how the Mem is going to look, or what facilities the training ground will have or which signing we are going to make. Expectations need to be lowered! Try telling Clarke that- he will be off!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 16:33:29 GMT
That is all well and good but how much time do they need just to come up with some artist's impressions for the redeveloped memorial stadium? We have had nothing but silence since the collapse of the UWE deal and even then they only told us when they did because a fan leaked the news. That news update by Hearts that Swiss Gas posted shows how badly run we are in contrast with others. Hearts are a club looking for full transparency from the top who wanted their fans to know they were making best endeavours to move the club forward. That would be such a quick win, for the club to be transparent, however Rovers fans get told that DS doesn't communicate with the media and far from being sceptical fans lap it up! So yes, they obviously need time but their sheer lack of any concrete plans and timescales and poor communication along the way paints DS as an organisation that has no idea what it is doing or what it's long term plan actually is. They have been here two years already and all we know is that there will be significant improvement to the toilets at the end of the season, significant improvement that would surely be wasted money if they were truly planning on redeveloping the stadium in the next 5 years? Who gives a sh1t about artists impressions? We had artists impressions of UWE. We had artists impressions of Severnside in 1992. Artists impressions mean f**k all. You talk about easily pleased. You'd rather be back at Twerton with some artists impressions than where we are now. I'd rather some sort of plan/design than the absolute silence we have at the moment. I recall the old board got no end of stick for lack of communication (rightly so) yet this lot are getting a free ride and can do no wrong. As a Rovers fan I would love for them to come good and finance a team and a stadium worthy of the support this club gets and could get, but on the evidence so far I think they are playing for time because they do not know/care how they are going to push this club on (at least in the way our current manager would like) hence no communication.
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Post by patchwaygas on Jan 27, 2018 16:34:55 GMT
Yes I think he will be. He’s on a long term contract so we will get compensation, and then get a cheap replacement by either promoting Stewart or Hargreaves. I think it’s called evolution not revolution!
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Post by LJG on Jan 27, 2018 16:39:31 GMT
Who gives a sh1t about artists impressions? We had artists impressions of UWE. We had artists impressions of Severnside in 1992. Artists impressions mean f**k all. You talk about easily pleased. You'd rather be back at Twerton with some artists impressions than where we are now. I'd rather some sort of plan/design than the absolute silence we have at the moment. I recall the old board got no end of stick for lack of communication (rightly so) yet this lot are getting a free ride and can do no wrong. As a Rovers fan I would love for them to come good and finance a team and a stadium worthy of the support this club gets and could get, but on the evidence so far I think they are playing for time because they do not know/care how they are going to push this club on (at least in the way our current manager would like) hence no communication. We had plans and designs under the old board. We got relegated out of the League. Remember? When our finance director told us he hadn't budgeted for relegation. Higgs used to give us weekly updates of f**k all. But at least we had some expensive colouring in to hang on the wall in the clubhouse bar.
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Post by LJG on Jan 27, 2018 16:40:11 GMT
To be fair they haven’t got anything to communicate! We are where we are, transfers will depend on how much we can get by selling our best player every season, in the hope we can buy a cheap replacement and develop him into an adequate replacement. There is no master plan for the Mem, because we have no money to develop it and so it will remain as it is for the foreseeable. I still think they would be better off telling the fan base the reality of where we are rather than have constant speculation from the fans of how the Mem is going to look, or what facilities the training ground will have or which signing we are going to make. Expectations need to be lowered! Try telling Clarke that- he will be off! Best show him an artists impression then. Quick!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 16:42:53 GMT
Someone’s had one Sherry too many.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 27, 2018 17:18:50 GMT
To be fair they haven’t got anything to communicate! We are where we are, transfers will depend on how much we can get by selling our best player every season, in the hope we can buy a cheap replacement and develop him into an adequate replacement. There is no master plan for the Mem, because we have no money to develop it and so it will remain as it is for the foreseeable. I still think they would be better off telling the fan base the reality of where we are rather than have constant speculation from the fans of how the Mem is going to look, or what facilities the training ground will have or which signing we are going to make. Expectations need to be lowered! Try telling Clarke that- he will be off! will you follow him please....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 20:05:51 GMT
I think people having big doubts and worries about the owners is understandable. I just dont feel the vitriolic dismissive and sometimes racist nastiness is justified. The UWE project collapse was a setback for the owners as well as the fans but i believe they deserve time to formulate plans to take the club forward. That is all well and good but how much time do they need just to come up with some artist's impressions for the redeveloped memorial stadium? We have had nothing but silence since the collapse of the UWE deal and even then they only told us when they did because a fan leaked the news. That news update by Hearts that Swiss Gas posted shows how badly run we are in contrast with others. Hearts are a club looking for full transparency from the top who wanted their fans to know they were making best endeavours to move the club forward. That would be such a quick win, for the club to be transparent, however Rovers fans get told that DS doesn't communicate with the media and far from being sceptical fans lap it up! So yes, they obviously need time but their sheer lack of any concrete plans and timescales and poor communication along the way paints DS as an organisation that has no idea what it is doing or what it's long term plan actually is. They have been here two years already and all we know is that there will be significant improvement to the toilets at the end of the season, significant improvement that would surely be wasted money if they were truly planning on redeveloping the stadium in the next 5 years? The uwe setback is very recent and theres no point in them communicating anything until they have decided what their plan is imo. The owners employed steve hamer to communicate because thats how they prefer to do things. The toilets and shop dont have to be affected by future ground improvements. I just think they need more time and its no good comparing us to city because their owner has written off £50-90m. A new all seater stand would be nice,it dosnt have to be a fully redeveloped stadium imo at least not straight away.
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Post by barbarycoaster on Jan 27, 2018 20:35:04 GMT
That is all well and good but how much time do they need just to come up with some artist's impressions for the redeveloped memorial stadium? We have had nothing but silence since the collapse of the UWE deal and even then they only told us when they did because a fan leaked the news. That news update by Hearts that Swiss Gas posted shows how badly run we are in contrast with others. Hearts are a club looking for full transparency from the top who wanted their fans to know they were making best endeavours to move the club forward. That would be such a quick win, for the club to be transparent, however Rovers fans get told that DS doesn't communicate with the media and far from being sceptical fans lap it up! So yes, they obviously need time but their sheer lack of any concrete plans and timescales and poor communication along the way paints DS as an organisation that has no idea what it is doing or what it's long term plan actually is. They have been here two years already and all we know is that there will be significant improvement to the toilets at the end of the season, significant improvement that would surely be wasted money if they were truly planning on redeveloping the stadium in the next 5 years? The uwe setback is very recent and theres no point in them communicating anything until they have decided what their plan is imo. The owners employed steve hamer to communicate because thats how they prefer to do things. The toilets and shop dont have to be affected by future ground improvements. I just think they need more time and its no good comparing us to city because their owner has written off £50-90m. A new all seater stand would be nice,it dosnt have to be a fully redeveloped stadium imo at least not straight away.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 20:52:49 GMT
I'd rather some sort of plan/design than the absolute silence we have at the moment. I recall the old board got no end of stick for lack of communication (rightly so) yet this lot are getting a free ride and can do no wrong. As a Rovers fan I would love for them to come good and finance a team and a stadium worthy of the support this club gets and could get, but on the evidence so far I think they are playing for time because they do not know/care how they are going to push this club on (at least in the way our current manager would like) hence no communication. We had plans and designs under the old board. We got relegated out of the League. Remember? When our finance director told us he hadn't budgeted for relegation. Higgs used to give us weekly updates of f**k all. But at least we had some expensive colouring in to hang on the wall in the clubhouse bar. Well we don't need to worry about that now because as you said earlier we have a financially savvy and stable board now....yet one who can't seem to communicate any plans of any note, are forced into after hours press releases because they can't get their crap together and a president who likes to play the fool on dancefloors in night clubs. With a professional outfit like that running the show the sky is the limit!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 27, 2018 20:56:15 GMT
Doomed! We're all doomed!!
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Post by pucklegas on Jan 27, 2018 20:58:15 GMT
Because they think we are the next Swansea, Bournemouth Huddersfield or Burnley! Cmon Hani make it happen!😂 Waels on board!
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Post by LJG on Jan 27, 2018 22:17:04 GMT
We had plans and designs under the old board. We got relegated out of the League. Remember? When our finance director told us he hadn't budgeted for relegation. Higgs used to give us weekly updates of f**k all. But at least we had some expensive colouring in to hang on the wall in the clubhouse bar. Well we don't need to worry about that now because as you said earlier we have a financially savvy and stable board now....yet one who can't seem to communicate any plans of any note, are forced into after hours press releases because they can't get their crap together and a president who likes to play the fool on dancefloors in night clubs. With a professional outfit like that running the show the sky is the limit! You're saying you'd rather the club was run by people who fail to financially plan for a relegation out of the football league than people tightly monitoring expenditure? Wow. Just think how hard your sh1thead family members would be laughing if we went bust. Then see how many league derbies you get with the club out of business. Your complaint boils down to - you're angry at the owners because some other clubs have been bankrolled by billionaires. That makes the same amount of sense as being angry at your boss because you haven't won the lottery i.e. none.
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