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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 14:55:24 GMT
You think he's got the pace to go Left Back? Yes if we play with wingers. I think this is something DC will try to introduce over the coming weeks. I agree that Craig is likely to feature at Left back and Broadbent or Sweeney can provide the physical presence. Admittedly Tom Lockyer is not 6 foot 6 tall but generally copes well against big forwards. Stevek I don't think your claim that "we totally lack a physical presence presence in all areas of the pitch" stacks up. They don't come much bigger than Broadbent or Sweeney.
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Post by kylegas on Feb 4, 2018 15:55:43 GMT
Completely agree about the lack of physicality in the midfield, but at the back I don’t think anybody is out muscling Broadbent. I think DC is aware of this since he had an interest in signing another defensive CM so hopefully that will be addressed in the summer
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Post by markczgas on Feb 4, 2018 16:35:57 GMT
I agree with your analysis about being outmuscled, and it has been a concern this year. A couple of points though - we were 0-0 until Clarke came off so we had been containing them pretty well in a cagey game. When we opened up our system a little we got punished. It could well be that Menayese will be a good option for us in certain games next season, to add some physical presence. This loan at Swindon could be good for him, and DC himself has identified the need for a defensive midfielder. Hopefully we'll address this in the summer but it's obviously not been easy to find the player we need for the right price. The other thing to say is that there was no disgrace to this result and performance. Shrewsbury are a strong team, in more ways than one, and a rarity in this league, a team who, albeit after the substitutions, seemed to outlast us for stamina. We will face a different kind of test next week. Looking forward to see how we bounce back at Oxford. I'd also say our squad is not quite strong enough to miss two key players in my view - Leads and Lockyer. We were again looking more vulnerable down their side of the pitch yesterday and against Bradford and Pompey. Gaffney and Harrison were given poor service - some of this could come from wide positions - but DC didn't seem interested in trying to use these parts of the pitch yesterday. Good points about the Shrews.
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Post by pirate49 on Feb 4, 2018 16:47:48 GMT
As regards being outmuscled lots of complimentary comments by Swindon fans about their new loanee,eg......
'The new lad Mayo (as I still can't spell his name unless I google it!) is huge and mobile and can head and pass and a fair bit of pace for a 6 foot 3 defender, would like him back next season if we could in whatever division we are in, bags of potential and not scared of upsetting the more seasoned pros of other clubs, he bullied Rhea as good as he got and stood up to another Bully in Bostwick...who took one look at his eyes and backed off when face to face near the end!'
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'Very assured debut, very impressed, stood up face to face with Bostwick and he is a Dam lump of a man and Mayo didn't back down. Got his foot in many times and tackled and passed well, like a player who has 300 games behind him rather than 3 games.'
He has the physique of Jon Gittens.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 16:56:47 GMT
Just my opinion steve but i don't think TB will be dropped for Lockyer. I can see craig being moved to Left Back. You think he's got the pace to go Left Back? Probably OK in a 4-4-2 set up but would need to play with winger/wide midfielder if you play Craig at left back as he won't have the pace to overlap.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 17:01:06 GMT
Completely agree about the lack of physicality in the midfield, but at the back I don’t think anybody is out muscling Broadbent. I think DC is aware of this since he had an interest in signing another defensive CM so hopefully that will be addressed in the summer Yes, next summers recruitment needs to bring in some physical strength to midfield as has already been said in the Brian Godfrey mould would be good as I feel we can get a little bullied by some teams.
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Post by kylegas on Feb 4, 2018 17:02:46 GMT
Completely agree about the lack of physicality in the midfield, but at the back I don’t think anybody is out muscling Broadbent. I think DC is aware of this since he had an interest in signing another defensive CM so hopefully that will be addressed in the summer Yes, next summers recruitment needs to bring in some physical strength to midfield as has already been said in the Brian Godfrey mould would be good as I feel we can get a little bullied by some teams. Gotta be honest... I have no idea who Brian Godfrey is haha
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 17:14:02 GMT
Yes, next summers recruitment needs to bring in some physical strength to midfield as has already been said in the Brian Godfrey mould would be good as I feel we can get a little bullied by some teams. Gotta be honest... I have no idea who Brian Godfrey is haha Obviously you are too young to remember the early 70's at Eastville...
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Post by toddy1953 on Feb 4, 2018 17:35:52 GMT
Talking about being out muscled...... Rollin seems to have had a decent debut according to some comments on the Swindle forum. He come on after 24 min when they went down to 10 men, more than held his own against a big physical Lincoln side, by the sounds of it. Hopefully he will gain some valuable experience there. Would like to see how a back 4 of him & Broadbent in the middle & Craig & Locks in the wider roles would work next season, with Parts in a defensive midfield role.
*** Note to self. Update Gaschat before posting - sorry Pirate49
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Post by singupgas on Feb 4, 2018 17:47:40 GMT
Steve, as regards tactics, set up and formation, they were just about non existent. I said it after Doncaster, so it's not just because we lose. Unless DC changes tack and decides to attack teams, this result will be symptomatic of many more to come. We conceded midfield from the outset, and though it came late, the result was always likely. Personally, I'm thinking DC has taken us as far as he can unless he learns to attack teams. What is it they say about the best form of defence? It doesn't mean gung ho nonsense, it means not being scared of the opponents league position before we start. Sadly if there is no change, then the Wigan, Blackburn and Scunny etc results are not going to make for happy gasheads. As you say, eleven defenders at corners is a joke, especially as we now have two pacey wingers that we could and should ( if he plays them) leave on each end of the halfway line. They then have a different problem to resolve, as opposed to knowing they have no problems defensively. We almost threw it away last week by sitting back against a very poor team. But then we have defended like that most of the season which makes away games worse than the home games when we do attack at times. How were there no tactics at Donny? We played 4 formations and Gaffney said it was plan to exploit their lack of height at the back? You’re constantly negative. Board out! DC out! Rainbow flags out! Corbyn out! 100 % Corbyn Out. 👀
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 17:48:26 GMT
Yes, next summers recruitment needs to bring in some physical strength to midfield as has already been said in the Brian Godfrey mould would be good as I feel we can get a little bullied by some teams. Gotta be honest... I have no idea who Brian Godfrey is haha He was an attacking midfield player who we signed in part exchange for ray graydon from aston villa around 1970. He had a good career and scored a lot of goals for several clubs including a hat-trick in a 7-1 v bradford city but in my view he was not the type of player some posters are claiming he was that would have been frankie prince from that era.
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Post by singupgas on Feb 4, 2018 17:50:35 GMT
As regards being outmuscled lots of complimentary comments by Swindon fans about their new loanee,eg...... 'The new lad Mayo (as I still can't spell his name unless I google it!) is huge and mobile and can head and pass and a fair bit of pace for a 6 foot 3 defender, would like him back next season if we could in whatever division we are in, bags of potential and not scared of upsetting the more seasoned pros of other clubs, he bullied Rhea as good as he got and stood up to another Bully in Bostwick...who took one look at his eyes and backed off when face to face near the end!' Think he will be in our 11 next season. With Sweeney back at stoke after what has been poor second spell for him. If Mayo doesn't make it with us, then we are the one missing out. Sort of player you can has load of potential and we should try to tie down. Before he picked off us on the cheap.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 17:57:35 GMT
It was a scrappy game with both midfields cancelling each other out and both defences on top for me. On the day the attacking substitutions we made backfired and cost us the game imo. I do agree that we are bit lightweight compared to some teams,also our pitch dosnt suit ball players like mensah and bennett which is a concern. Somebody near me in the blackthorn end said lockyer will be out for quite a while as the injury is more serious than expected,no idea if thats true or not but it made me wonder if we signed craig with that in mind?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 17:59:09 GMT
As regards being outmuscled lots of complimentary comments by Swindon fans about their new loanee,eg...... 'The new lad Mayo (as I still can't spell his name unless I google it!) is huge and mobile and can head and pass and a fair bit of pace for a 6 foot 3 defender, would like him back next season if we could in whatever division we are in, bags of potential and not scared of upsetting the more seasoned pros of other clubs, he bullied Rhea as good as he got and stood up to another Bully in Bostwick...who took one look at his eyes and backed off when face to face near the end!' Think he will be in our 11 next season. With Sweeney back at stoke after what has been poor second spell for him. If Mayo doesn't make it with us, then we are the one missing out. Sort of player you can has load of potential and we should try to tie down. Before he picked off us on the cheap. Thats why we signed him on a new contract last week!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 18:23:55 GMT
Steve K92.Lines got several great tackles in during yesterday's match. Did you watch him throughout or just keep an eye on his so called Hollywood passes? "Too many Hollywood passes" is another over used and lazy fans cliche. Lines is the playmaker and probably the most technically gifted player in the squad now BB has gone, surely he should be expected to try the more difficult and expansive passes? It's no good us fans moaning about a lack of creativity and then criticising when someone tries things that don't come off. Sinclair gets criticised by some for too many safe passes - the players must think we can't win with some fans.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 18:29:48 GMT
You think he's got the pace to go Left Back? Yes if we play with wingers. I think this is something DC will try to introduce over the coming weeks. I hope Mensah & Bennett show enough in training and future cameos to give DC the confidence of playing them wide in a 4-4-2. At the moment I can't see DC taking the risk - from the start of a game anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 18:35:04 GMT
As regards being outmuscled lots of complimentary comments by Swindon fans about their new loanee,eg...... 'The new lad Mayo (as I still can't spell his name unless I google it!) is huge and mobile and can head and pass and a fair bit of pace for a 6 foot 3 defender, would like him back next season if we could in whatever division we are in, bags of potential and not scared of upsetting the more seasoned pros of other clubs, he bullied Rhea as good as he got and stood up to another Bully in Bostwick...who took one look at his eyes and backed off when face to face near the end!' Think he will be in our 11 next season. With Sweeney back at stoke after what has been poor second spell for him. If Mayo doesn't make it with us, then we are the one missing out. Sort of player you can has load of potential and we should try to tie down. Before he picked off us on the cheap. Similar player to Tyrone Mings who also came via local non league?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 18:43:13 GMT
A couple of observations from yesterday, 1) What does Bola offer that Brown doesn't? Bola is quicker but doesn't really show it. I was expecting a lot more after seeing clips of his attacking play for Notts Co last season. Brown is equally comfortable on the ball, is fairly reliable when defending and despite not having a 'trick' or pace to go beyond his opposite number always contributes a few goals and assists. 2) When we play with the diamond Harrison and Gaffney appear to deliberately split when we have possession presumably to create a hole for the attacking midfielder to utilise. That may work if you have a Bodin, O'Toole, Sercombe type but probably not so well with Sinclair. I would prefer to see the two strikers work more as a partnership, stay closer and both get in the box at the same time, this would certainly help Nicholls when he plays too.
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Post by kylegas on Feb 4, 2018 19:09:32 GMT
Gotta be honest... I have no idea who Brian Godfrey is haha Obviously you are too young to remember the early 70's at Eastville... Yes, I’m 31
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Post by kylegas on Feb 4, 2018 19:11:01 GMT
Gotta be honest... I have no idea who Brian Godfrey is haha He was an attacking midfield player who we signed in part exchange for ray graydon from aston villa around 1970. He had a good career and scored a lot of goals for several clubs including a hat-trick in a 7-1 v bradford city but in my view he was not the type of player some posters are claiming he was that would have been frankie prince from that era. Bit before my time, appreciate the info tho
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