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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 10:59:23 GMT
Seriously, how many people would catch a train to go to the Arena in town? If you live in the Bristol area I don't think it will be that many. Most people will drive, as the public transport is useless/dirty/expensive/irregular. Building something in the middle of a city that will have thousands of people attending is just not practicable in this day and age when cheaper/greener sites are available. The new brand spanking Bristol Metrobus Route ends at Cribbs Causeway. It won't take much to just run that over to the Filton site. Access from the M4/M5 is easy via the A38, and throw in a train station nearby and it is a far more cost effective solution compared to Temple Meads! Not only that, but the Brabazon Hanger is one of Bristol's most iconic buildings and should be utilized/preserved. Converting it to an Arena would be a fine thing to do. A fair proportion of an arena crowd will be from outside Bristol. Those will be the people catching the train rather than driving into Bristol. People who wish to can still drive, there are sufficient car parks within a 15 to 20 minute walk. You seem to be underestimating the amount of effort people are willing to go to, to see a favourite band or performer. The one thing the Filton site isn't, is green, in any sense of the word. No, sorry, don't buy it. A new build like this should always be placed on the edge/outside and not built in the inner city.
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Post by Smithy Gas on Mar 22, 2018 11:02:41 GMT
Its common sense to put the arena slap bang next to the train station which can handle thousands of people in and out. Cardiff manage it with their arena and the millennium right in the centre. On a matchday the centre is buzzing with people spending money. Your point about public transport is EXACTLY why it shouldn't be built at Filton. People would have to drive clogging up the roads and not spending any money in the city. Let's not forget the infrastructure that would need to be put in place to make Filton viable. All the new roads that bring more cars and more pollution with them. Seriously, how many people would catch a train to go to the Arena in town? If you live in the Bristol area I don't think it will be that many. Most people will drive, as the public transport is useless/dirty/expensive/irregular. Building something in the middle of a city that will have thousands of people attending is just not practicable in this day and age when cheaper/greener sites are available. The new brand spanking Bristol Metrobus Route ends at Cribbs Causeway. It won't take much to just run that over to the Filton site. Access from the M4/M5 is easy via the A38, and throw in a train station nearby and it is a far more cost effective solution compared to Temple Meads! Not only that, but the Brabazon Hanger is one of Bristol's most iconic buildings and should be utilized/preserved. Converting it to an Arena would be a fine thing to do. I'd imagine plenty of people would. Or a bus, as plenty of those actually go to the centre of town, unlike the ass end of nowhere. People need to get out of the mindset of driving to everything. 12K people see a gig and drive to it... good luck getting out of that gert lovely car park at Filton afterwards. If in the centre of town, where incidentally all of the major arenas in the country are, people can drive and park in car parks within 10-15 minutes walk to TM, get a train, get a bus, walk etc. or even just have a pint afterwards and let the traffic die down. Maybe stay in a hotel for the night. All of this benefits Bristol and not a private investor. Even the venue will eventually pay into the coffers and not a private companies profit margins. Whoever was talking about brown envelopes and backhanders earlier in the thread, look at who used to work for BCC on the arena project and now works for YTL... Agreed with your last point Nobby, and if YTL want to preserve the Brab they can crack on, but there is no need to bribe the council into building non existent infrastructure for them to make it work.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 22, 2018 11:05:11 GMT
Seriously, how many people would catch a train to go to the Arena in town? If you live in the Bristol area I don't think it will be that many. Most people will drive, as the public transport is useless/dirty/expensive/irregular. Building something in the middle of a city that will have thousands of people attending is just not practicable in this day and age when cheaper/greener sites are available. The new brand spanking Bristol Metrobus Route ends at Cribbs Causeway. It won't take much to just run that over to the Filton site. Access from the M4/M5 is easy via the A38, and throw in a train station nearby and it is a far more cost effective solution compared to Temple Meads! Not only that, but the Brabazon Hanger is one of Bristol's most iconic buildings and should be utilized/preserved. Converting it to an Arena would be a fine thing to do. A fair proportion of an arena crowd will be from outside Bristol. Those will be the people catching the train rather than driving into Bristol. People who wish to can still drive, there are sufficient car parks within a 15 to 20 minute walk. You seem to be underestimating the amount of effort people are willing to go to, to see a favourite band or performer. The one thing the Filton site isn't, is green, in any sense of the word. Well i live 5 miles from Temple Meads site and will not be going to any new Arena built on it. Cardiff has a fantastic Arena with a massive car park next door and that is my choice. Why BCC cannot do a compulsory purchase on Colston Hall , Knock the thing down, rebuild an Arena and call it Mandela Hall to keep the Dimwits happy. Got to be cheaper than the £100m+ to build the Temple Meads pile of crap
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Post by philbemmygas on Mar 22, 2018 12:43:45 GMT
Marvelous (sic) Marvin (MM) will probably wipe out the £10m spent already on the arena so he can have his moment of glory building it at Filton; transport links all across the city are already fecked without adding crowds of up to 12k into the mix.
The Henbury loop-line is all part of the SW Mayors budget (I believe) and not part of BCC; hence MM has no say in it. There are more buses heading past the Temple Meads quarter plus the already built station; combined with the plan to use existing park & rides make that site a no brainer for me. Allied to the fact that we the citizens of Bristol will eventually see monies going back into the coffers is another reason to follow the original plan, if all those councillers had originally got behind the plan and not used it as a political pawn it would have been built ages ago.
Bring back George I say; wont be voting for this bloke again (not that I did in the first place).
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 22, 2018 12:54:19 GMT
Marvelous (sic) Marvin (MM) will probably wipe out the £10m spent already on the arena so he can have his moment of glory building it at Filton; transport links all across the city are already fecked without adding crowds of up to 12k into the mix. The Henbury loop-line is all part of the SW Mayors budget (I believe) and not part of BCC; hence MM has no say in it. There are more buses heading past the Temple Meads quarter plus the already built station; combined with the plan to use existing park & rides make that site a no brainer for me. Allied to the fact that we the citizens of Bristol will eventually see monies going back into the coffers is another reason to follow the original plan, if all those councillers had originally got behind the plan and not used it as a political pawn it would have been built ages ago. Bring back George I say; wont be voting for this bloke again (not that I did in the first place). UTG Bit like Bristol Airport then.... oh they sold that to top up the budget. If they had kept that we would be Rate free by now....
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Post by tommym9 on Mar 22, 2018 13:14:40 GMT
They are building a large rail station right next door to the Filton proposed site, part of the Henbury Loop line. that will take everybody from the centre of Bristol to the complex very quickly Yep. Let's not forget that there is a railway line that runs through the Filton site, right alongside the Brab Hanger ! I didn't know that. Couple of questions. Is there a train station there? And is this a local line or can you go onto say Birmingham without changing?
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Post by tommym9 on Mar 22, 2018 13:16:28 GMT
Its common sense to put the arena slap bang next to the train station which can handle thousands of people in and out. Cardiff manage it with their arena and the millennium right in the centre. On a matchday the centre is buzzing with people spending money. Your point about public transport is EXACTLY why it shouldn't be built at Filton. People would have to drive clogging up the roads and not spending any money in the city. Let's not forget the infrastructure that would need to be put in place to make Filton viable. All the new roads that bring more cars and more pollution with them. Seriously, how many people would catch a train to go to the Arena in town? If you live in the Bristol area I don't think it will be that many. Most people will drive, as the public transport is useless/dirty/expensive/irregular. Building something in the middle of a city that will have thousands of people attending is just not practicable in this day and age when cheaper/greener sites are available. The new brand spanking Bristol Metrobus Route ends at Cribbs Causeway. It won't take much to just run that over to the Filton site. Access from the M4/M5 is easy via the A38, and throw in a train station nearby and it is a far more cost effective solution compared to Temple Meads! Not only that, but the Brabazon Hanger is one of Bristol's most iconic buildings and should be utilized/preserved. Converting it to an Arena would be a fine thing to do. If I'm going to Cardiff for s gig or the rugby I get the train so I can have a few beers. It also helps both venues are in the centre and walkable from the station. If it was on the outskirts I would drive and have no beers.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 22, 2018 13:21:59 GMT
A fair proportion of an arena crowd will be from outside Bristol. Those will be the people catching the train rather than driving into Bristol. People who wish to can still drive, there are sufficient car parks within a 15 to 20 minute walk. You seem to be underestimating the amount of effort people are willing to go to, to see a favourite band or performer. The one thing the Filton site isn't, is green, in any sense of the word. No, sorry, don't buy it. A new build like this should always be placed on the edge/outside and not built in the inner city. Not sure I can think of any big city arena's built on the edge of town, Cardiff's, Manchester's, Birmingham's are all quite central, I assume one of the attractions of building an arena is that you get people to visit and stay in the city centre, not just to drive and out of the area to see a band etc. Although god knows what this topic as to do with our new stadium!
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Post by Marshy on Mar 22, 2018 13:24:26 GMT
No, sorry, don't buy it. A new build like this should always be placed on the edge/outside and not built in the inner city. Not sure I can think of any big city arena's built on the edge of town, Cardiff's, Manchester's, Birmingham's are all quite central, I assume one of the attractions of building an arena is that you get people to visit and stay in the city centre, not just to drive and out of the area to see a band etc. Although god knows what this topic as to do with our new stadium! What new stadium, have I missed something?
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Post by pucklegas on Mar 22, 2018 13:26:46 GMT
No, sorry, don't buy it. A new build like this should always be placed on the edge/outside and not built in the inner city. Not sure I can think of any big city arena's built on the edge of town, Cardiff's, Manchester's, Birmingham's are all quite central, I assume one of the attractions of building an arena is that you get people to visit and stay in the city centre, not just to drive and out of the area to see a band etc. Although god knows what this topic as to do with our new stadium! Because it’s one big development 😄
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 13:31:44 GMT
Yep. Let's not forget that there is a railway line that runs through the Filton site, right alongside the Brab Hanger ! I didn't know that. Couple of questions. Is there a train station there? And is this a local line or can you go onto say Birmingham without changing? I've no idea where the track goes, but when I worked at BAe it was pretty common to see Goods trains going past. The point is, it has to connect to a mainline somewhere, and building a station shouldn't be a problem if the track is already there....thinking about it I think it was a Freight Line to Avonmouth. I'm sure there is an anorak on here who knows more about the line It literally runs just yards from the Brab Hanger.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 13:35:12 GMT
No, sorry, don't buy it. A new build like this should always be placed on the edge/outside and not built in the inner city. Not sure I can think of any big city arena's built on the edge of town, Cardiff's, Manchester's, Birmingham's are all quite central, I assume one of the attractions of building an arena is that you get people to visit and stay in the city centre, not just to drive and out of the area to see a band etc. Although god knows what this topic as to do with our new stadium! Because outside investment will build the Arena at Filton. We need outside investment to build a stadium. The council will pay for the infrastructure needed (transport links etc), and there will be a gurt big car park. Don't you think it may be a good idea to also build a stadium next to it, to utilise the car park, infrastructure etc, thereby reducing the cost of building the stadium? The question is, is this an opportunity?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 22, 2018 13:40:54 GMT
Yep. Let's not forget that there is a railway line that runs through the Filton site, right alongside the Brab Hanger ! I didn't know that. Couple of questions. Is there a train station there? And is this a local line or can you go onto say Birmingham without changing? Its connected to the old Henbury/Filton Line which starts life in Seven Beach i think and will be part of the "New" Henbury loop line going into Parkway and Temple Meads They are building a £6m Station at the Filton (Charlton Halt ? - Brab Hanger) and a £12m+ at Henbury Work has started at Ashley Down railway station to upgrade it as well The Biggest Hold up is to Filton Junction as they need to convert it to a 4 line junction from 2 at the moment en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henbury_Loop_Line
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 13:49:21 GMT
I didn't know that. Couple of questions. Is there a train station there? And is this a local line or can you go onto say Birmingham without changing? Its connected to the old Henbury/Filton Line which starts life in Seven Beach i think and will be part of the "New" Henbury loop line going into Parkway and Temple Meads They are building a £6m Station at the Filton (Charlton Halt ? - Brab Hanger) and a £12m+ at Henbury Work has started at Ashley Down railway station to upgrade it as well The Biggest Hold up is to Filton Junction as they need to convert it to a 4 line junction from 2 at the moment en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henbury_Loop_LineI knew an anorak would come along and explain it
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Post by womble on Mar 22, 2018 13:55:35 GMT
A fair proportion of an arena crowd will be from outside Bristol. Those will be the people catching the train rather than driving into Bristol. People who wish to can still drive, there are sufficient car parks within a 15 to 20 minute walk. You seem to be underestimating the amount of effort people are willing to go to, to see a favourite band or performer. The one thing the Filton site isn't, is green, in any sense of the word. Well i live 5 miles from Temple Meads site and will not be going to any new Arena built on it. Cardiff has a fantastic Arena with a massive car park next door and that is my choice. Why BCC cannot do a compulsory purchase on Colston Hall , Knock the thing down, rebuild an Arena and call it Mandela Hall to keep the Dimwits happy. Got to be cheaper than the £100m+ to build the Temple Meads pile of crap It has a massive car park that you can spend an hour after a gig getting out of. I speak from experience here. BCC are hardly going to compulsorily purchase the Colston Hall when they already own it. A city needs a range of venue sizes. Cardiff has St David's Hall, which is comparable in size to the Colston Hall. We are the only large city without an arena. We need one and Temple Meads is the best site. If you'd rather drive to Cardiff, that's entirely up to you.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 22, 2018 13:56:03 GMT
Its connected to the old Henbury/Filton Line which starts life in Seven Beach i think and will be part of the "New" Henbury loop line going into Parkway and Temple Meads They are building a £6m Station at the Filton (Charlton Halt ? - Brab Hanger) and a £12m+ at Henbury Work has started at Ashley Down railway station to upgrade it as well The Biggest Hold up is to Filton Junction as they need to convert it to a 4 line junction from 2 at the moment en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henbury_Loop_LineI knew an anorak would come along and explain it Living next to Henbury Station sort gives you an insight into whats going on... and yes i'm a Train anorak as well
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Post by baggins on Mar 22, 2018 14:08:57 GMT
I knew an anorak would come along and explain it Living next to Henbury Station sort gives you an insight into whats going on... and yes i'm a Train anorak as well You didn't have to tell us.
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Post by baggins on Mar 22, 2018 14:10:19 GMT
So where the hell is there land available for us then? Sounds like no-where. The Mem it is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 14:12:59 GMT
So where the hell is there land available for us then? Sounds like no-where. The Mem it is. There is no future for us at the Mem. Everyone knows that.
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Post by tommym9 on Mar 22, 2018 14:26:18 GMT
I didn't know that. Couple of questions. Is there a train station there? And is this a local line or can you go onto say Birmingham without changing? Its connected to the old Henbury/Filton Line which starts life in Seven Beach i think and will be part of the "New" Henbury loop line going into Parkway and Temple Meads They are building a £6m Station at the Filton (Charlton Halt ? - Brab Hanger) and a £12m+ at Henbury Work has started at Ashley Down railway station to upgrade it as well The Biggest Hold up is to Filton Junction as they need to convert it to a 4 line junction from 2 at the moment en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henbury_Loop_LineAh thanks for the update! Thats train transport sorted then, however we are still going to miss out on trade in pubs, bars, hotels, etc if its out in Filton. Unless there are plans to build all that stuff up around there?
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