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Post by tutgas on Apr 24, 2018 17:10:47 GMT
Then you don't have just like I probably wouldn't go to a Tote End Old Boys night.
It's just a group of people with similar interests, that happen to promote their respective clubs to similar people who wouldn't normally go for whatever reason. They aren't forcing Islamic, Sikh or Catholic teachings down anyone's throats
I like cricket and do Occasionally walk round the corner to watch Bristol West Indies and nothing stops me becoming a member there if I wanted to
Funny you should mention cricket as in Bristol it's the clubs that promote themselves along racial lines that cause the biggest problems and invariably have the worst disciplinery record. Guess you'll all be for and supportive of someone starting an EDL Gas branch as the vile EDL allow membership for all? What on earth does the EDL have to do as to wether we try to support our Fans from our local BAME Community. Please, please, please don’t tell me you are insinuating the 2 groups are in some way similar. The English Defence League is a far-right street protest movement which focuses on opposition to what it considers to be a spread of Islamism and Sharia in the United Kingdom. The Bangla Bantams are a multicultural Derby County Football supporters group. I’m speechless 😶
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Post by axegas on Apr 24, 2018 17:12:33 GMT
Then you don't have just like I probably wouldn't go to a Tote End Old Boys night.
It's just a group of people with similar interests, that happen to promote their respective clubs to similar people who wouldn't normally go for whatever reason. They aren't forcing Islamic, Sikh or Catholic teachings down anyone's throats
I like cricket and do Occasionally walk round the corner to watch Bristol West Indies and nothing stops me becoming a member there if I wanted to
Funny you should mention cricket as in Bristol it's the clubs that promote themselves along racial lines that cause the biggest problems and invariably have the worst disciplinery record. Guess you'll all be for and supportive of someone starting an EDL Gas branch as the vile EDL allow membership for all? Why are you going on about the EDL? I don't see why its relevant when all peterparker is saying is that having a group to promote attendance of ethnic minorities at our games would be good. It just seems inappropriate given the context of the debate which is BAME inclusion.
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Post by newmarketgas on Apr 24, 2018 17:17:22 GMT
Whoosh !
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 24, 2018 17:33:27 GMT
Well good for you that's the way to go about racism and discrimination. The way not to do it in my view is to create groups along ethnic lines. Christ next thing you know people will be calling for a white supremacist gas group. Unfortunately in diversity people aren't looking for equality but a stick to beat people with to recognise their particular group at the expense of others. I'll support equality but I won't support discrimination, in any form, that supports racism. Yes spot on. Interesting to note the aggressors on here are the ones spouting diversity. Togetherness for me not hundreds of little groups as groups end up fighting each other. The diversity boys will end up breaking up society not bringing it together. Couldn`t put it better myself. It`s ironic that the people on this forum who see diversity as being such a positive thing, show such a lack of tolerance to anyone whose views are diverse from their own.
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Post by yetigas on Apr 24, 2018 17:58:17 GMT
Yes spot on. Interesting to note the aggressors on here are the ones spouting diversity. Togetherness for me not hundreds of little groups as groups end up fighting each other. The diversity boys will end up breaking up society not bringing it together. Couldn`t put it better myself. It`s ironic that the people on this forum who see diversity as being such a positive thing, show such a lack of tolerance to anyone whose views are diverse from their own. Aggressors? What on earth does that mean? If you mean its the people who want change - are you saying you are happy with the status quo? If so, very worrying. 'hundreds of little groups as groups end up fighting each other': why on earth should groups of Bristol Rovers fans end up fighting each other? Please explain. 'diversity boys (sic) will end up breaking up society not bringing it together'. I am sorry but this statement makes zero sense. If some groups currently feel unwelcome, it suggests that society is already broken up. Any attempt to bring different groups together under a common love on BRFC (or any other institution) is surely to be welcomed. ' It`s ironic that the people on this forum who see diversity as being such a positive thing, show such a lack of tolerance to anyone whose views are diverse from their own'. So are you suggesting that some (including you?) do not see diversity as a positive thing? If so, I am extremely worried. And if some do not see diversity as positive, then yes, they should and must be opposed. Diversity does not mean that extremist views should be tolerated.
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Post by inee on Apr 24, 2018 18:06:10 GMT
There is a lot of focus on here from a certain few individuals about groups based around ethnic lines. This seems to be the issue for some people. The Community Trust are talking about support for all underrepresented groups in football. This means ensuring all our fans feel safe and can support the Gas. This means making sure the elderly, women and girls, the disabled, lgbt are all respected and represented. I see very little talk from these certain individuals arguing that they should not allow an elderly supporters group, a women's supporters group, a disabled supporters group, an lgbt group. Why is that? These are all underrepresented groups just the same as those based around someone's race or religion. The issue around ethnicity or race is an emotive one ,on the one hand people are advocating separate groups then getting really defensive over it defining people into separate races by skin colour. Others like myself firmly believe if people want to attend they will and that despite skin colour we all belong to the human race yup one race ,and will never understand why people do it all they are doing is making one part of society stand out. Elderly and disabled groups no problem with them as they have specific issues they often deal with. Religious supporters groups good idea as it would keep people who subscribe to the big book of lies away from us
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Post by althepirate on Apr 24, 2018 18:36:54 GMT
Couldn`t put it better myself. It`s ironic that the people on this forum who see diversity as being such a positive thing, show such a lack of tolerance to anyone whose views are diverse from their own. Aggressors? What on earth does that mean? If you mean its the people who want change - are you saying you are happy with the status quo? If so, very worrying. 'hundreds of little groups as groups end up fighting each other': why on earth should groups of Bristol Rovers fans end up fighting each other? Please explain. 'diversity boys (sic) will end up breaking up society not bringing it together'. I am sorry but this statement makes zero sense. If some groups currently feel unwelcome, it suggests that society is already broken up. Any attempt to bring different groups together under a common love on BRFC (or any other institution) is surely to be welcomed. ' It`s ironic that the people on this forum who see diversity as being such a positive thing, show such a lack of tolerance to anyone whose views are diverse from their own'. So are you suggesting that some (including you?) do not see diversity as a positive thing? If so, I am extremely worried. And if some do not see diversity as positive, then yes, they should and must be opposed. Diversity does not mean that extremist views should be tolerated. Yetis, when you last asked me to express myself and the reasons why I dont like putting people into groups I gave you a full explanation on the other thread, which you didnt even respond to. If you dont understand then you dont. However I will say that those on here who are aggressive will not deter us from expressing our views.
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Post by peterparker on Apr 24, 2018 19:32:05 GMT
Then you don't have just like I probably wouldn't go to a Tote End Old Boys night.
It's just a group of people with similar interests, that happen to promote their respective clubs to similar people who wouldn't normally go for whatever reason. They aren't forcing Islamic, Sikh or Catholic teachings down anyone's throats
I like cricket and do Occasionally walk round the corner to watch Bristol West Indies and nothing stops me becoming a member there if I wanted to
Funny you should mention cricket as in Bristol it's the clubs that promote themselves along racial lines that cause the biggest problems and invariably have the worst disciplinery record. Guess you'll all be for and supportive of someone starting an EDL Gas branch as the vile EDL allow membership for all? i dont know about other clubs bUt Bristol West Indies was set up in the 60s in a different era and maybe different attitudes. Would you suggest they change there name as not to promote themselves along racial lines
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Post by peterparker on Apr 24, 2018 19:40:43 GMT
Yes spot on. Interesting to note the aggressors on here are the ones spouting diversity. Togetherness for me not hundreds of little groups as groups end up fighting each other. The diversity boys will end up breaking up society not bringing it together. Couldn`t put it better myself. It`s ironic that the people on this forum who see diversity as being such a positive thing, show such a lack of tolerance to anyone whose views are diverse from their own. Im not intolerant of peoples different views, just some people missing the f**king point. Its not about race or religion, disability or sexuality etc, etc, they just happen to be those things. If an Asian Rovers group was set up, are we going to deny them? And if one was set up are we saying they wont interact with anyone but Asians. Of course we wouldnt/arent. Are people going to run away if 50 Asians walked into the Bar at the Thatchers end. I would hope we wouldnt care and we could all argue about how sh** Tom Nichols is or isnt
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 24, 2018 19:44:13 GMT
Same old same old on Gaschat.
Sad times.
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Post by yetigas on Apr 24, 2018 19:50:56 GMT
Aggressors? What on earth does that mean? If you mean its the people who want change - are you saying you are happy with the status quo? If so, very worrying. 'hundreds of little groups as groups end up fighting each other': why on earth should groups of Bristol Rovers fans end up fighting each other? Please explain. 'diversity boys (sic) will end up breaking up society not bringing it together'. I am sorry but this statement makes zero sense. If some groups currently feel unwelcome, it suggests that society is already broken up. Any attempt to bring different groups together under a common love on BRFC (or any other institution) is surely to be welcomed. ' It`s ironic that the people on this forum who see diversity as being such a positive thing, show such a lack of tolerance to anyone whose views are diverse from their own'. So are you suggesting that some (including you?) do not see diversity as a positive thing? If so, I am extremely worried. And if some do not see diversity as positive, then yes, they should and must be opposed. Diversity does not mean that extremist views should be tolerated. Yetis, when you last asked me to express myself and the reasons why I dont like putting people into groups I gave you a full explanation on the other thread, which you didnt even respond to. If you dont understand then you dont. However I will say that those on here who are aggressive will not deter us from expressing our views. ATP, you are right in that I should have replied to your last post (have been busy). reading it now, you main point seems to be ' The key for me is acceptance of others for themselves not as part of a group'. I think I understand what you are saying here. The problem is that in history, and today, certain groups ARE discriminated against, whether directly or indirectly. That includes BAME, women , LGBT, people with disability, older people etc etc. Football grounds have been less than welcoming toward these groups in the 60 years I have been attending matches, so action to make a more inclusive environment should be warmly welcomed. That you personally don't seek to discriminate is great, but surely we should listen to people who are in these 'groups' to find out why they are reluctant to support BRFC/attend matches, and take action to break down the barriers. I really can't see why that should be a problem for you or anyone else. if anyone who is trying to achieve a more inclusive fan-base is to be labelled an 'aggressor', then so be it - and let's all be aggressors until we get it right!
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 24, 2018 21:07:51 GMT
There is a lot of focus on here from a certain few individuals about groups based around ethnic lines. This seems to be the issue for some people. The Community Trust are talking about support for all underrepresented groups in football. This means ensuring all our fans feel safe and can support the Gas. This means making sure the elderly, women and girls, the disabled, lgbt are all respected and represented. I see very little talk from these certain individuals arguing that they should not allow an elderly supporters group, a women's supporters group, a disabled supporters group, an lgbt group. Why is that? These are all underrepresented groups just the same as those based around someone's race or religion. The issue around ethnicity or race is an emotive one ,on the one hand people are advocating separate groups then getting really defensive over it defining people into separate races by skin colour. Others like myself firmly believe if people want to attend they will and that despite skin colour we all belong to the human race yup one race ,and will never understand why people do it all they are doing is making one part of society stand out. Elderly and disabled groups no problem with them as they have specific issues they often deal with. Religious supporters groups good idea as it would keep people who subscribe to the big book of lies away from us Are you saying that those with a belief in God and the bible should be made a joke of and segregated then? You see it as a laugh by your emoji but change religious supporters to black people and how funny would it sound then?
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Post by cabazeldegas on Apr 24, 2018 21:09:52 GMT
The fact that as soon as anyone mentions race or sexuality (but especially race) on here or any other forum creates such a maelstrom proves how far we have to go... I am dead against 'positive' discrimination, but reading some of these posts I understand the need for it in certain circumstances. Some of the posts have massive subliminal racist, homophobic and misogynist tones. I am what my mum described as a Heinz 57, my dad is Burmese, grandparents from Nepal and India yadda yadda. Just to appease the likes of William Wilson, I'm also atheist, and to appease others, a happy heterosexual. The 'positive' racial/sexuality/religion agenda sickens me as it causes more problems than solutions. Some of you lot on here maybe explain why that agenda exists though, hence you being the most self defeating bigots ever.
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Post by inee on Apr 24, 2018 22:22:08 GMT
The issue around ethnicity or race is an emotive one ,on the one hand people are advocating separate groups then getting really defensive over it defining people into separate races by skin colour. Others like myself firmly believe if people want to attend they will and that despite skin colour we all belong to the human race yup one race ,and will never understand why people do it all they are doing is making one part of society stand out. Elderly and disabled groups no problem with them as they have specific issues they often deal with. Religious supporters groups good idea as it would keep people who subscribe to the big book of lies away from us Are you saying that those with a belief in God and the bible should be made a joke of and segregated then? You see it as a laugh by your emoji but change religious supporters to black people and how funny would it sound then? Again what is it with someones skin colour with you people is it so hard to understand that i see all colours as one race ,it fair makes i bleed purple pish every time people try to make a point by mentioning skin colour with religion. Religion was invented to keep weak minded fools in line ,religion has and is still destroying the world so yup stand in the corner ,may i ask what religion you follow.
Diversity causes more issues than it solves as it makes people stand out as different, so instead of religion can we send the deaf gingers to the corner instead
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Post by comptondandogas on Apr 24, 2018 23:23:37 GMT
Are you saying that those with a belief in God and the bible should be made a joke of and segregated then? You see it as a laugh by your emoji but change religious supporters to black people and how funny would it sound then? Again what is it with someones skin colour with you people is it so hard to understand that i see all colours as one race ,it fair makes i bleed purple pish every time people try to make a point by mentioning skin colour with religion. Religion was invented to keep weak minded fools in line ,religion has and is still destroying the world so yup stand in the corner ,may i ask what religion you follow.
Diversity causes more issues than it solves as it makes people stand out as different, so instead of religion can we send the deaf gingers to the corner instead
Diversity doesn't cause any issues, except when you and others try to make it do so
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 23:37:53 GMT
The thing is BAME people will not just go to football on their own or as a couple in general as they would worry that they wouldnt be welcome. If you have a group like the bradford city group they feel more secure and in a short space of time are part of the fabric of the football club. If that happened at rovers it would be a major achievement and most people would be well chuffed.
The racists and the racists who claim are not racists would be furious mind you but who cares about them?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 25, 2018 5:49:19 GMT
The issue around ethnicity or race is an emotive one ,on the one hand people are advocating separate groups then getting really defensive over it defining people into separate races by skin colour. Others like myself firmly believe if people want to attend they will and that despite skin colour we all belong to the human race yup one race ,and will never understand why people do it all they are doing is making one part of society stand out. Elderly and disabled groups no problem with them as they have specific issues they often deal with. Religious supporters groups good idea as it would keep people who subscribe to the big book of lies away from us Are you saying that those with a belief in God and the bible should be made a joke of and segregated then? You see it as a laugh by your emoji but change religious supporters to black people and how funny would it sound then? Religion is a choice, skin colour isn't.
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Post by althepirate on Apr 25, 2018 6:20:23 GMT
The thing is BAME people will not just go to football on their own or as a couple in general as they would worry that they wouldnt be welcome. If you have a group like the bradford city group they feel more secure and in a short space of time are part of the fabric of the football club. If that happened at rovers it would be a major achievement and most people would be well chuffed. The racists and the racists who claim are not racists would be furious mind you but who cares about them? Butterfly you constantly call people on here racists, you did the same on the last thead and when I asked you to name them and you ran away.I consider your words to be utterly vile abuse and no different than racism itself. If you care to expand your brain away from the narrowness it is and listen to what those people who won't fall down at your feet and worship you, then you may realise that we are 100% not racist but want everyone together, not to create endless groups which separate people.That is my opinion right or wrong, based on working with so call 'diverse'people for over 40 years. As I say please stop calling posters racist who have different ideas than yourself.
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Post by newmarketgas on Apr 25, 2018 6:41:40 GMT
Again what is it with someones skin colour with you people is it so hard to understand that i see all colours as one race ,it fair makes i bleed purple pish every time people try to make a point by mentioning skin colour with religion. Religion was invented to keep weak minded fools in line ,religion has and is still destroying the world so yup stand in the corner ,may i ask what religion you follow.
Diversity causes more issues than it solves as it makes people stand out as different, so instead of religion can we send the deaf gingers to the corner instead
Diversity doesn't cause any issues, except when you and others try to make it do so That must be the most ill thought out statement I have ever seen, tell that to teenage girls from Rotherham and many many other places. I guess this will get me a telling off at best or a ban, but if it does I hope just a few of you goody goody types at least check a few details before posting such stupid posts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 6:52:58 GMT
The thing is BAME people will not just go to football on their own or as a couple in general as they would worry that they wouldnt be welcome. If you have a group like the bradford city group they feel more secure and in a short space of time are part of the fabric of the football club. If that happened at rovers it would be a major achievement and most people would be well chuffed. The racists and the racists who claim are not racists would be furious mind you but who cares about them? I am not happy at being called racist by this poster. The vast majority of people posting on this thread express their views in a calm, civil manner without resorting to language as used by him. I have Reported the post.
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