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Post by daniel300380 on Jul 4, 2018 13:50:30 GMT
Signed Rodman from a team who spent most of last season in the top 2, I'd say that was a pretty big statement of intent. No offence meant, I think Rodman is a good signing, but signing a 31-year-old player that has had one good season at this level and has spent the majority of his career in non-league and League Two isn't exactly what I meant by 'statement of intent.' Garbutt has played in the Premier League, Europa League, 33 times in the Championship, been capped 11 times by the England U21s and was reportedly on about £27,500 at Everton. That is what I would call a 'statement of intent.' Has his career been on the decline though? He only played about half of Fulham's games, then at Wigan, didn't make many appearances. Was that due to injury, or a lack of form? Looks like his career has gradually got worse, instead of developing further. Rodman on the other hand, has been getting better. Hard to call who will be the better signing imo
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Post by pirate on Jul 4, 2018 14:46:24 GMT
No offence meant, I think Rodman is a good signing, but signing a 31-year-old player that has had one good season at this level and has spent the majority of his career in non-league and League Two isn't exactly what I meant by 'statement of intent.' Garbutt has played in the Premier League, Europa League, 33 times in the Championship, been capped 11 times by the England U21s and was reportedly on about £27,500 at Everton. That is what I would call a 'statement of intent.' Has his career been on the decline though? He only played about half of Fulham's games, then at Wigan, didn't make many appearances. Was that due to injury, or a lack of form? Looks like his career has gradually got worse, instead of developing further. Rodman on the other hand, has been getting better. Hard to call who will be the better signing imo I don't think you can really compare the two players and that wasn't my intention. I just think on paper the signing of Garbutt is more of a 'statement of intent' type. In fairness to him he did play 26 times for Fulham and was out for six weeks with an ankle ligament injury. At Wigan he found himself playing at right back and even on the right wing. I think Garbutt has probably made some bad career choices and been badly advised. For instance, if he had stayed at Leeds rather than signing for Everton would he have developed better? It's possible. Should he have signed the most recent long term contract at Everton, rather than moving on in search of regular first team football? Possibly, but perhaps he backed himself to break in to the team and the lure of £27,500 would be hard for most people to turn down. One thing is for sure the lad does have ability and anyone who witnessed his display a few years ago against Kevin De Bruyne in the Europa League will testify to that. Or his goal last season against Man City U23's. He should prove to be a very good signing at this level.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jul 4, 2018 15:29:38 GMT
Has his career been on the decline though? He only played about half of Fulham's games, then at Wigan, didn't make many appearances. Was that due to injury, or a lack of form? Looks like his career has gradually got worse, instead of developing further. Rodman on the other hand, has been getting better. Hard to call who will be the better signing imo I don't think you can really compare the two players and that wasn't my intention. I just think on paper the signing of Garbutt is more of a 'statement of intent' type. In fairness to him he did play 26 times for Fulham and was out for six weeks with an ankle ligament injury. At Wigan he found himself playing at right back and even on the right wing. I think Garbutt has probably made some bad career choices and been badly advised. For instance, if he had stayed at Leeds rather than signing for Everton would he have developed better? It's possible. Should he have signed the most recent long term contract at Everton, rather than moving on in search of regular first team football? Possibly, but perhaps he backed himself to break in to the team and the lure of £27,500 would be hard for most people to turn down. One thing is for sure the lad does have ability and anyone who witnessed his display a few years ago against Kevin De Bruyne in the Europa League will testify to that. Or his goal last season against Man City U23's. He should prove to be a very good signing at this level. Be interesting to see how well he does. Would have been a good signing for us as that is what we need.
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Post by pirate on Jul 4, 2018 15:41:13 GMT
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 4, 2018 15:58:52 GMT
I don't think you can really compare the two players and that wasn't my intention. I just think on paper the signing of Garbutt is more of a 'statement of intent' type. In fairness to him he did play 26 times for Fulham and was out for six weeks with an ankle ligament injury. At Wigan he found himself playing at right back and even on the right wing. I think Garbutt has probably made some bad career choices and been badly advised. For instance, if he had stayed at Leeds rather than signing for Everton would he have developed better? It's possible. Should he have signed the most recent long term contract at Everton, rather than moving on in search of regular first team football? Possibly, but perhaps he backed himself to break in to the team and the lure of £27,500 would be hard for most people to turn down. One thing is for sure the lad does have ability and anyone who witnessed his display a few years ago against Kevin De Bruyne in the Europa League will testify to that. Or his goal last season against Man City U23's. He should prove to be a very good signing at this level. Be interesting to see how well he does. Would have been a good signing for us as that is what we need. Assuming these stats are correct thrn what's the fascination with Garbutt, 8 games whilst picking up 3 yellow cards since August 2016 hardly sounds like a "signing of intent" to me, more like a bit of a gamble compared to Rodman. The fact he's signed for Oxford supports that view. www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=53091
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Post by piratesquarters on Jul 4, 2018 16:25:59 GMT
Hope Akpan [Burton - Bradford] Free Callum Reilly [Bury - Gillingham] Undisclosed Brad Inman [Peterborough - Rochdale] Free He's free.
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Post by pirate on Jul 4, 2018 16:31:07 GMT
Be interesting to see how well he does. Would have been a good signing for us as that is what we need. Assuming these stats are correct thrn what's the fascination with Garbutt, 8 games whilst picking up 3 yellow cards since August 2016 hardly sounds like a "signing of intent" to me, more like a bit of a gamble compared to Rodman. The fact he's signed for Oxford supports that view. www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=53091A 25-year-old who's played in the Premier League, Europa League (preventing Kevin De Bruyne from scoring), 33 times in the Championship, been capped 11 times by the England U21s (and 42 times at other age groups) - so that shows he is one the best English left backs in his age range.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 4, 2018 16:59:57 GMT
Assuming these stats are correct thrn what's the fascination with Garbutt, 8 games whilst picking up 3 yellow cards since August 2016 hardly sounds like a "signing of intent" to me, more like a bit of a gamble compared to Rodman. The fact he's signed for Oxford supports that view. www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=53091A 25-year-old who's played in the Premier League, Europa League (preventing Kevin De Bruyne from scoring), 33 times in the Championship, been capped 11 times by the England U21s (and 42 times at other age groups) - so that shows he is one the best English left backs in his age range. If he's only played 8 games in 2 years I doubt anyone has a clue how good, or bad, he is at present. Anyway let's see how Garbutt gets on over the course of the season compared to Rodman.
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Post by pirate on Jul 4, 2018 17:04:25 GMT
A 25-year-old who's played in the Premier League, Europa League (preventing Kevin De Bruyne from scoring), 33 times in the Championship, been capped 11 times by the England U21s (and 42 times at other age groups) - so that shows he is one the best English left backs in his age range. If he's only played 8 games in 2 years I doubt anyone has a clue how good, or bad, he is at present. Anyway let's see how Garbutt gets on over the course of the season compared to Rodman. He's played 11 first team games, but been a regular in the U23s, so I'm sure Karl Robinson will have an idea of how good he is. I think both Garbutt AND Rodman will have good seasons in their respective positions.
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Post by pirate on Jul 5, 2018 12:27:22 GMT
Not a done deal, but...
Doncaster Rovers have turned down bids from Aberdeen and Peterborough United for striker John Marquis, according to HITC Sport.
Doncaster have held firm, though, and rejected multiple bids from Peterborough and Scottish Premiership side Aberdeen, with the highest being £750,000.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 5, 2018 12:55:35 GMT
If he's only played 8 games in 2 years I doubt anyone has a clue how good, or bad, he is at present. Anyway let's see how Garbutt gets on over the course of the season compared to Rodman. He's played 11 first team games, but been a regular in the U23s, so I'm sure Karl Robinson will have an idea of how good he is. I think both Garbutt AND Rodman will have good seasons in their respective positions. Is Karl Robinson a good manager though? In my humble opinion, I think not.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 5, 2018 13:16:58 GMT
Signed Rodman from a team who spent most of last season in the top 2, I'd say that was a pretty big statement of intent. No offence meant, I think Rodman is a good signing, but signing a 31-year-old player that has had one good season at this level and has spent the majority of his career in non-league and League Two isn't exactly what I meant by 'statement of intent.' Garbutt has played in the Premier League, Europa League, 33 times in the Championship, been capped 11 times by the England U21s and was reportedly on about £27,500 at Everton. That is what I would call a 'statement of intent.' if he was any good Everton would have kept or put him with a championship club
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Post by pirate on Jul 5, 2018 13:30:19 GMT
No offence meant, I think Rodman is a good signing, but signing a 31-year-old player that has had one good season at this level and has spent the majority of his career in non-league and League Two isn't exactly what I meant by 'statement of intent.' Garbutt has played in the Premier League, Europa League, 33 times in the Championship, been capped 11 times by the England U21s and was reportedly on about £27,500 at Everton. That is what I would call a 'statement of intent.' if he was any good Everton would have kept or put him with a championship club No offence, but you rave about a striker who scored 1 goal in 39 league games so I'll take your opinion with a pinch of salt. 44 caps at England youth level shows he is one of the best English left backs in his age bracket.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 5, 2018 13:44:27 GMT
if he was any good Everton would have kept or put him with a championship club No offence, but you rave about a striker who scored 1 goal in 39 league games so I'll take your opinion with a pinch of salt. 44 caps at England youth level shows he is one of the best English left backs in his age bracket. So why is he in a very poor level 3 team when he could be playing in the Premier ? Maybe they have decided he is not so good after all and i would believe their professional staff more than you Wes
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Post by pirate on Jul 5, 2018 13:55:57 GMT
No offence, but you rave about a striker who scored 1 goal in 39 league games so I'll take your opinion with a pinch of salt. 44 caps at England youth level shows he is one of the best English left backs in his age bracket. So why is he in a very poor level 3 team when he could be playing in the Premier ? Maybe they have decided he is not so good after all and i would believe their professional staff more than you Wes Roberto Martinez offered him a 5 year contract worth £27,500 per week so that professional obviously saw something in him, Ian.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 5, 2018 14:06:21 GMT
So why is he in a very poor level 3 team when he could be playing in the Premier ? Maybe they have decided he is not so good after all and i would believe their professional staff more than you Wes Roberto Martinez offered him a 5 year contract worth £27,500 per week so that professional obviously saw something in him, Ian. Roberto Martinez left some 2 years ago and the sound of it he has not progressed at all and now finds himself in the lower leagues. Not the sort of player i would want in our team, even if we could pay his wages...
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Post by pirate on Jul 5, 2018 14:13:18 GMT
Roberto Martinez offered him a 5 year contract worth £27,500 per week so that professional obviously saw something in him, Ian. Roberto Martinez left some 2 years ago and the sound of it he has not progressed at all and now finds himself in the lower leagues. Not the sort of player i would want in our team, even if we could pay his wages... We'll have to agree to disagree then, because I think he's likely to be the best left back in the division.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 5, 2018 14:17:09 GMT
Roberto Martinez left some 2 years ago and the sound of it he has not progressed at all and now finds himself in the lower leagues. Not the sort of player i would want in our team, even if we could pay his wages... We'll have to agree to disagree then, because I think he's likely to be the best left back in the division. No I agree with you on that one, but your have to ask yourself why has he fallen so low so fast ?
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Post by pirate on Jul 5, 2018 14:35:51 GMT
We'll have to agree to disagree then, because I think he's likely to be the best left back in the division. No I agree with you on that one, but your have to ask yourself why has he fallen so low so fast ? Badly advised maybe and injuries at crucial times haven't helped. It wasn't so long ago he was playing 90 minutes in the Premier League against Arsenal, so hopefully regular game time at this level can help him get back to where he wants to be. Having seen him play in person, he has got enough ability to be at least a regular at the top end of the championship and if he kicks on again, maybe higher than that. Good luck to him, but not against us.
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Post by pirate on Jul 5, 2018 15:10:59 GMT
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