|
Post by Officer Barbrady on Jun 7, 2019 8:25:30 GMT
Doing a UKIP basically?
|
|
stuart1974
Proper Gas
Posts: 12,316
Member is Online
|
Post by stuart1974 on Jun 7, 2019 8:34:49 GMT
Being new and having no policies other than Brexit was their advantage and by elections are the ideal oppotunity to have a protest vote. NF must be disappinted.
Once they sit down and thrash out a series of policies for a GE it will show the divisions. How deep will depend on their vagueness.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 8:38:01 GMT
I don't think so. The Brexit Party has already shown that it has a very professional team behind it. Their Media and PR stuff is top notch. They have been taking great care not to put any idiots up front, carefully vetting all applicants. UKIP were designed with one aim, to get and win a referendum. They were never set-up to contest a GE. I get the feeling that it is different with the Brexit Party. At some point they will change their name. Did you ever glance at the UKIP Manifesto for the GE in 2017? They had some very interesting points. I expect the Brexit Party to unfold something similar. Much better than the Dementia Tax, Fox Hunting and Nationalisation at no cost, as detailed by the Tories and Labour. • Invest an extra £11 billion every year into the NHS and social care by the end of the next parliament, raising caps on medical school and nurse training places, and increasing funding for mental health and dementia • Raise the threshold for paying income tax to £13,500, cut taxes for middle earners, abolish the TV licence and cut VAT on household bills • Scrap tuition fees for science, technology, engineering, mathematics, and medicine students • Provide up to 100,000 new homes for younger people every year • Maintain all pensioner benefits and the pensions Triple Lock • Protect disability and carer’s benefits • Spend a genuine two per cent of GDP on defence, plus £1 billion every year • Fund 20,000 more police officers, 7,000 more prison officers, and 4,000 more border force staff • Revive our coastal communities and fishing villages • Cut Business Rates for the smallest businesses • Commission a dedicated hospital ship to assist our armed forces and deliver humanitarian medical assistance worldwide
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 9:54:59 GMT
I don't think so. The Brexit Party has already shown that it has a very professional team behind it. Their Media and PR stuff is top notch. They have been taking great care not to put any idiots up front, carefully vetting all applicants. UKIP were designed with one aim, to get and win a referendum. They were never set-up to contest a GE. I get the feeling that it is different with the Brexit Party. At some point they will change their name. Did you ever glance at the UKIP Manifesto for the GE in 2017? They had some very interesting points. I expect the Brexit Party to unfold something similar. Much better than the Dementia Tax, Fox Hunting and Nationalisation at no cost, as detailed by the Tories and Labour. • Invest an extra £11 billion every year into the NHS and social care by the end of the next parliament, raising caps on medical school and nurse training places, and increasing funding for mental health and dementia • Raise the threshold for paying income tax to £13,500, cut taxes for middle earners, abolish the TV licence and cut VAT on household bills • Scrap tuition fees for science, technology, engineering, mathematics, and medicine students • Provide up to 100,000 new homes for younger people every year • Maintain all pensioner benefits and the pensions Triple Lock • Protect disability and carer’s benefits • Spend a genuine two per cent of GDP on defence, plus £1 billion every year • Fund 20,000 more police officers, 7,000 more prison officers, and 4,000 more border force staff • Revive our coastal communities and fishing villages • Cut Business Rates for the smallest businesses • Commission a dedicated hospital ship to assist our armed forces and deliver humanitarian medical assistance worldwide Nobby, me old mucker, you cannot be truly serious. Professional PR? They do not have a clearly defined message, other than Brexit. They allowed the aged loonie Anne Widdicombe to spout some nonsense about "correcting" sexual preference. The list you posted on spending/policy pledges was just fantastic. So fantastic it has everyone rolling in the aisles. So, in summary, spend more on everything and cut taxes for everyone. Hooray!! It's the new paradigm, borrow more to cut the debt, as you joked previously. As Stuart says, once it comes down to hard policy decisions the divisions will be exposed, the racist element in their party will make a stupid comment(a la UKIP), Widdicombe will prattle on about morals, the hard line laissez faire business types will want tax and spending cuts, in general there will be a narrative that all government is bad and laws just block the "entrepeneur" whilst Farage will try and hold the whole toxic mix together by grinning inanely whilst holding a pint and pretending to be a man of the people. All the while being funded personally to a high standard by some very unattractive people. I was actually disappointed they didnt win the Peterborough bye election. Tories are down and out on the canvas, Corbyn needed to be given a good slap as well. Sadly he probably thinks his method of doing or saying nothing of consequence has been vindicated. Good to see that the Lib Dems quadrupled their vote though.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 10:22:25 GMT
"So, in summary, spend more on everything and cut taxes for everyone. Hooray!! It's the new paradigm, borrow more to cut the debt, as you joked previously."
You obviously haven't looked at it, so your derision is a bit misplaced. Much funding comes from cutting HSR, which is currently budgeted at 50 BILLION? and that cost will certainly rise. The Foreign Aid Budget will be cut. It's currently somewhere around 14 BILLION. I think they also talked about adjusting the Barnett Formula for Scotland as well. There are other things in there, but once again, you are completely missing the point and you're getting bogged down in your black & white world. There are some very sensible options in there which deserve to be looked at. For example, Scrap tuition fees for science, technology, engineering, mathematics, and medicine students is something worth considering. These are the types of qualifications we should be encouraging. If a student wants to do a course on Media Studies or Golf Course Management etc, then they should be expected to pay for it.
By the way, I am no UKIP supporter, but when you look at what they offered, compared to the nonsense of the Tories and Labour, then you'll easily see the direction that the Brexit Party will take.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 10:26:06 GMT
I forgot to add there is the 20 billion a year that EU membership costs that can be used as well.
Oh, and the 39 billion divorce settlement we will not pay to the EU.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 10:32:47 GMT
You should have a look Oldie. It's a far better Manifesto than either the Tories or Labour presented. UKIP 2017 Manifesto
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 11:39:37 GMT
You should have a look Oldie. It's a far better Manifesto than either the Tories or Labour presented. UKIP 2017 ManifestoThanks. I will look, but as a principle I like the discipline of double entry bookeeping.
|
|
|
Post by peterparker on Jun 7, 2019 13:26:49 GMT
People didnt know what they were voting for. Lol
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 13:35:37 GMT
People didnt know what they were voting for. Lol Christ Some on here are going to apoplectic..being told they didnt realise.. 🤣🤣🤣
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 14:10:26 GMT
People didnt know what they were voting for. Lol Not really what he was saying though.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2019 18:02:55 GMT
Andrea Leadsom says it was made 'very clear' that Brexit might cost people their jobs flip.it/-xS8UQIt was? Can any of the leavers on here please confirm that they voted so that people could lose their jobs? Thanks in advance
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2019 19:06:56 GMT
Andrea Leadsom says it was made 'very clear' that Brexit might cost people their jobs flip.it/-xS8UQIt was? Can any of the leavers on here please confirm that they voted so that people could lose their jobs? Thanks in advance Nobody voted for people to lose their jobs. Some people may lose their jobs through Brexit, while other jobs may be created. It's what happens in a Free Market environment. You do support a Free Market don't you? No need to thank me.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2019 21:30:10 GMT
Meanwhile, more lies
"Unveiling a radical economic manifesto in The Telegraph, the Environment Secretary pledges to take advantage of Brexit to scrap the 20 per cent tax currently levied on goods and services as a result of EU rules,"
When fact
"EU rules mean the UK cannot reduce VAT on goods and services below 15%, the standard rate of VAT in the EU. The standard rate of VAT in the UK is 20%, so the government could reduce it by up to 5%"
Which Labour did in reaction to the financial crash. However, some including many on here, screamed blue murder about national debt, so their chosen party raised it back to 20%, hitting the poorest hardest, in a recession. This same chosen party bleats, like some on here, about vat on fuel. When in fact
"Although the UK charged 0% VAT on domestic fuel bills in 1991, the Conservative government introduced a VAT rate of 8% in 1993. This was later lowered to 5% under Labour. Under the EU rules, this is now the lowest VAT rate possible for British domestic fuel bills."
So this wonderful tax cutting party are actually quite the opposite, for the poorest in our society. Now they tell us the poorest knew they were voting for job cuts by voting leave, a bit like as Johnson's lawyers stated I guess, it's not a statement of fact, but a political statement.
Oh, and by the way, the national debt has doubled since the Tories took power (well, sort of won an election).
A party of leavers, incompetent, liars and charlatans. Oh, and they snort coke.
|
|
stuart1974
Proper Gas
Posts: 12,316
Member is Online
|
Post by stuart1974 on Jun 8, 2019 22:18:29 GMT
Meanwhile, more lies "Unveiling a radical economic manifesto in The Telegraph, the Environment Secretary pledges to take advantage of Brexit to scrap the 20 per cent tax currently levied on goods and services as a result of EU rules," When fact "EU rules mean the UK cannot reduce VAT on goods and services below 15%, the standard rate of VAT in the EU. The standard rate of VAT in the UK is 20%, so the government could reduce it by up to 5%" Which Labour did in reaction to the financial crash. However, some including many on here, screamed blue murder about national debt, so their chosen party raised it back to 20%, hitting the poorest hardest, in a recession. This same chosen party bleats, like some on here, about vat on fuel. When in fact "Although the UK charged 0% VAT on domestic fuel bills in 1991, the Conservative government introduced a VAT rate of 8% in 1993. This was later lowered to 5% under Labour. Under the EU rules, this is now the lowest VAT rate possible for British domestic fuel bills." So this wonderful tax cutting party are actually quite the opposite, for the poorest in our society. Now they tell us the poorest knew they were voting for job cuts by voting leave, a bit like as Johnson's lawyers stated I guess, it's not a statement of fact, but a political statement. Oh, and by the way, the national debt has doubled since the Tories took power (well, sort of won an election). A party of leavers, incompetent, liars and charlatans. Oh, and they snort coke. It is just smoke and mirrors. Cut taxes in one area but increase them in others. With regards to the VAT on fuel, something I pointed out a while back. EU rules allow VAT rates to stay zero rated until introduced. They did not force us to have them and the government can always offset the equivalent by rebating or cutting elsewhere. Again, all within UK jursdiction. Take back control? We never lost it in the first place.
|
|
|
Post by peterparker on Jun 10, 2019 10:30:04 GMT
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 10:52:14 GMT
"Very little is known about how the government plans to replace EU structural funding worth £2.1 billion (€2.4 billion) a year after Brexit." It wont be there, funding tax cuts for the 40% bracket if Johnson is PM.
|
|
stuart1974
Proper Gas
Posts: 12,316
Member is Online
|
Post by stuart1974 on Jun 10, 2019 10:54:21 GMT
Jeremy Hunt secures Amber Rudd and Penny Mordaunt's nomination.
Quite a coup, that. Be interesting how he balances that going forward.
Edit: Just watching his press conference, higher defence spending, eradicate illiteracy, target the young, make UK a Silicon valley, get deal through with some changes.
Says that no deal is on the table but if Parliament rules out then not leaving by 31st October will trigger GE (possibly) which will wipe out Conservative Party. So, all about staying in power.
|
|
|
Post by Big Jock on Jun 10, 2019 15:25:32 GMT
Meanwhile, more lies "Unveiling a radical economic manifesto in The Telegraph, the Environment Secretary pledges to take advantage of Brexit to scrap the 20 per cent tax currently levied on goods and services as a result of EU rules," When fact "EU rules mean the UK cannot reduce VAT on goods and services below 15%, the standard rate of VAT in the EU. The standard rate of VAT in the UK is 20%, so the government could reduce it by up to 5%" Which Labour did in reaction to the financial crash. However, some including many on here, screamed blue murder about national debt, so their chosen party raised it back to 20%, hitting the poorest hardest, in a recession. This same chosen party bleats, like some on here, about vat on fuel. When in fact "Although the UK charged 0% VAT on domestic fuel bills in 1991, the Conservative government introduced a VAT rate of 8% in 1993. This was later lowered to 5% under Labour. Under the EU rules, this is now the lowest VAT rate possible for British domestic fuel bills." So this wonderful tax cutting party are actually quite the opposite, for the poorest in our society. Now they tell us the poorest knew they were voting for job cuts by voting leave, a bit like as Johnson's lawyers stated I guess, it's not a statement of fact, but a political statement. Oh, and by the way, the national debt has doubled since the Tories took power (well, sort of won an election). A party of leavers, incompetent, liars and charlatans. Oh, and they snort coke. Hold on! You tellin us yous get yer info from THE TELEGRAPH!!!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 15:32:23 GMT
Meanwhile, more lies "Unveiling a radical economic manifesto in The Telegraph, the Environment Secretary pledges to take advantage of Brexit to scrap the 20 per cent tax currently levied on goods and services as a result of EU rules," When fact "EU rules mean the UK cannot reduce VAT on goods and services below 15%, the standard rate of VAT in the EU. The standard rate of VAT in the UK is 20%, so the government could reduce it by up to 5%" Which Labour did in reaction to the financial crash. However, some including many on here, screamed blue murder about national debt, so their chosen party raised it back to 20%, hitting the poorest hardest, in a recession. This same chosen party bleats, like some on here, about vat on fuel. When in fact "Although the UK charged 0% VAT on domestic fuel bills in 1991, the Conservative government introduced a VAT rate of 8% in 1993. This was later lowered to 5% under Labour. Under the EU rules, this is now the lowest VAT rate possible for British domestic fuel bills." So this wonderful tax cutting party are actually quite the opposite, for the poorest in our society. Now they tell us the poorest knew they were voting for job cuts by voting leave, a bit like as Johnson's lawyers stated I guess, it's not a statement of fact, but a political statement. Oh, and by the way, the national debt has doubled since the Tories took power (well, sort of won an election). A party of leavers, incompetent, liars and charlatans. Oh, and they snort coke. Hold on! You tellin us yous get yer info from THE TELEGRAPH!!! Regardless of source, a statement of historical fact Jock.
|
|