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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 23, 2020 20:43:56 GMT
Biden's very probable Secretary of State Antony Blinken saying on French TV how important a partner the EU is to 🇺🇲 To be fair, it is just platitudes and a lot of politicians fawn over a new US administration for domestic consumption. In the real world, the US has several key allies and "special relationships", depending on the topic. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 23, 2020 21:56:28 GMT
WORST-CASE SCENARIO ‘SET TO BECOME REALITY’, FOOD SELLERS WARN Food industry leaders have warned that the shortages forecast under the government’s worst-case scenario planning are set to become reality. A report published by the Cabinet Office in September said that congestion caused by new border controls could cut food trade between the UK and EU by 40 percent. The UK currently imports 26 percent of its food from the EU. Speaking after a meeting with Defra officials to discuss the latest ‘worst-case scenario’ plans, one industry source told the Grocer: “A lot of us are looking at it and thinking, that’s just what’s going to happen.” Shane Brennan, CEO of the Cold Chain Federation, added: “No one’s going to starve… but there will be products missing and there will be inflationary pressure on prices.” www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/13271266/brexit-uk-news-latest-boris-johnson-deadline-eu-live/amp/ |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 23, 2020 22:08:16 GMT
Not looking good for Brexit voting Sunderland Nissan plant .
All very sad 😞
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 23, 2020 22:30:15 GMT
Not looking good for Brexit voting Sunderland Nissan plant . All very sad 😞 'I didnt think Leopards would eat MY face' |
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Post by aghast on Nov 23, 2020 22:45:17 GMT
What a farce it's all been.
Why did we listen to these Brexit maniacs in 2016?
Well, when I say 'we', I mean of course 'they'.
Probably because they were lied to, but the sad thing is some knew they were being lied to, but chose to ignore the lies and vote leave anyway for a variety of reasons involving 'freedom', 'control', immigration and fond memories of a glorious past which could never be resurrected in the modern world.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 1:21:45 GMT
Not looking good for Brexit voting Sunderland Nissan plant . All very sad 😞 Reap what you sow, unfortunately. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 1:37:38 GMT
What a farce it's all been. Why did we listen to these Brexit maniacs in 2016? Well, when I say 'we', I mean of course 'they'. Probably because they were lied to, but the sad thing is some knew they were being lied to, but chose to ignore the lies and vote leave anyway for a variety of reasons involving 'freedom', 'control', immigration and fond memories of a glorious past which could never be resurrected in the modern world. Yep, Brexit and nationalism go together hand in glove. I think that’s why the older generation have bought into it more than most. do the youth care about being British? I get the sense not many do. National identity is not as important to them as the people who grew up in the shadow of World War II. For me you’ve nailed it- the older generation want to recapture a glorious past (in their minds) that the youth of today never knew and couldn’t care less about because things have evolved from nationalist tub thumping and waving little Union jacks about at the last night of the proms. It’s gone, over and brexit isn’t going to bring that “British spirit” back either. We’ve seen what a selfish bunch of arseholes the British really are during this pandemic. Not much to be proud about there, that’s for sure. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 24, 2020 7:55:52 GMT
What a farce it's all been. Why did we listen to these Brexit maniacs in 2016? Well, when I say 'we', I mean of course 'they'. Probably because they were lied to, but the sad thing is some knew they were being lied to, but chose to ignore the lies and vote leave anyway for a variety of reasons involving 'freedom', 'control', immigration and fond memories of a glorious past which could never be resurrected in the modern world. Yep, Brexit and nationalism go together hand in glove. I think that’s why the older generation have bought into it more than most. do the youth care about being British? I get the sense not many do. National identity is not as important to them as the people who grew up in the shadow of World War II. For me you’ve nailed it- the older generation want to recapture a glorious past (in their minds) that the youth of today never knew and couldn’t care less about because things have evolved from nationalist tub thumping and waving little Union jacks about at the last night of the proms. It’s gone, over and brexit isn’t going to bring that “British spirit” back either. We’ve seen what a selfish bunch of arseholes the British really are during this pandemic. Not much to be proud about there, that’s for sure.[/ Think it’s more like English nationalism than British. The break up the union is getting more and more likely. We really are going to be an outpost . |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 24, 2020 8:08:00 GMT
What a farce it's all been. Why did we listen to these Brexit maniacs in 2016? Well, when I say 'we', I mean of course 'they'. Probably because they were lied to, but the sad thing is some knew they were being lied to, but chose to ignore the lies and vote leave anyway for a variety of reasons involving 'freedom', 'control', immigration and fond memories of a glorious past which could never be resurrected in the modern world. Yep, Brexit and nationalism go together hand in glove. I think that’s why the older generation have bought into it more than most. do the youth care about being British? I get the sense not many do. National identity is not as important to them as the people who grew up in the shadow of World War II. For me you’ve nailed it- the older generation want to recapture a glorious past (in their minds) that the youth of today never knew and couldn’t care less about because things have evolved from nationalist tub thumping and waving little Union jacks about at the last night of the proms. It’s gone, over and brexit isn’t going to bring that “British spirit” back either. We’ve seen what a selfish bunch of arseholes the British really are during this pandemic. Not much to be proud about there, that’s for sure. That's a gross over simplification there is no substantive evidence that if your "older"your more nationalistic,last night of the proms is hardly representative when many who go are European,waving a flag at a concert doesn't make you a Nationalist. |
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Post by oldgas on Nov 24, 2020 10:41:46 GMT
With those cretins in charge America will soon have plenty to worry about other than BREXIT, which in any case is none of their business. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 10:42:35 GMT
Yep, Brexit and nationalism go together hand in glove. I think that’s why the older generation have bought into it more than most. do the youth care about being British? I get the sense not many do. National identity is not as important to them as the people who grew up in the shadow of World War II. For me you’ve nailed it- the older generation want to recapture a glorious past (in their minds) that the youth of today never knew and couldn’t care less about because things have evolved from nationalist tub thumping and waving little Union jacks about at the last night of the proms. It’s gone, over and brexit isn’t going to bring that “British spirit” back either. We’ve seen what a selfish bunch of arseholes the British really are during this pandemic. Not much to be proud about there, that’s for sure. That's a gross over simplification there is no substantive evidence that if your "older"your more nationalistic,last night of the proms is hardly representative when many who go are European,waving a flag at a concert doesn't make you a Nationalist. National identity seems to be tightly wound in to the fabric of Brexit if you listen to the rhetoric people are coming out with, just look at oldgas posts, “god save the Queen” etc. that’s far from an isolated case from what I’m seeing. The previous poster got it spot on, it’s like harking back to a bygone era that isn’t coming back. |
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Post by oldgas on Nov 24, 2020 10:48:24 GMT
I want the best as well and voted leave, but I’m sure we can respect each others reasons. I say “British” Commonwealth as it was formed from the British Empire and the Queen is the the Commonwealth Head. Having a trade deal with India is surely different to companies outsourcing call centre jobs to India, which I agree are a pain in the arse. However, I believe our trade with India is massive and if it can be done on improved terms then surely that’s a win win? I’ll have a tenner with you Oldgas that we don’t strike a trade deal with India 🇮🇳 for over 3 yrs ? Whatever. The fact is that at the moment we trade with India on WTO terms. That seems to work OK, one side isn't looking to punish the other. How much better would it be for both sides if we could agree a trade deal between us? And we're only in a position where we can start talking to India, and all the other Commonwealth countries, because, at last, were free from the constraints of the EU and Brussels' stranglehold. |
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Post by oldgas on Nov 24, 2020 10:51:25 GMT
What a farce it's all been. Why did we listen to these Brexit maniacs in 2016? Well, when I say 'we', I mean of course 'they'. Probably because they were lied to, but the sad thing is some knew they were being lied to, but chose to ignore the lies and vote leave anyway for a variety of reasons involving 'freedom', 'control', immigration and fond memories of a glorious past which could never be resurrected in the modern world. Yep, Brexit and nationalism go together hand in glove. I think that’s why the older generation have bought into it more than most. do the youth care about being British? I get the sense not many do. National identity is not as important to them as the people who grew up in the shadow of World War II. For me you’ve nailed it- the older generation want to recapture a glorious past (in their minds) that the youth of today never knew and couldn’t care less about because things have evolved from nationalist tub thumping and waving little Union jacks about at the last night of the proms. It’s gone, over and brexit isn’t going to bring that “British spirit” back either. We’ve seen what a selfish bunch of arseholes the British really are during this pandemic. Not much to be proud about there, that’s for sure. Lets simplify this even further. Being EU good, being British bad. How about that? |
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Post by oldgas on Nov 24, 2020 10:53:56 GMT
What a farce it's all been. Why did we listen to these Brexit maniacs in 2016? Well, when I say 'we', I mean of course 'they'. Probably because they were lied to, but the sad thing is some knew they were being lied to, but chose to ignore the lies and vote leave anyway for a variety of reasons involving 'freedom', 'control', immigration and fond memories of a glorious past which could never be resurrected in the modern world. Unlike Remain, with Project Fear, who were as honest and transparent as a virgin on her wedding night. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 24, 2020 11:33:23 GMT
I’ll have a tenner with you Oldgas that we don’t strike a trade deal with India 🇮🇳 for over 3 yrs ? Whatever. The fact is that at the moment we trade with India on WTO terms. That seems to work OK, one side isn't looking to punish the other. How much better would it be for both sides if we could agree a trade deal between us? And we're only in a position where we can start talking to India, and all the other Commonwealth countries, because, at last, were free from the constraints of the EU and Brussels' stranglehold. I think India would likely look for more visas , especially students . I’d be fine with that , would you ? |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 24, 2020 11:46:09 GMT
That's a gross over simplification there is no substantive evidence that if your "older"your more nationalistic,last night of the proms is hardly representative when many who go are European,waving a flag at a concert doesn't make you a Nationalist. National identity seems to be tightly wound in to the fabric of Brexit if you listen to the rhetoric people are coming out with, just look at oldgas posts, “god save the Queen” etc. that’s far from an isolated case from what I’m seeing. The previous poster got it spot on, it’s like harking back to a bygone era that isn’t coming back. Yep 365 I've seen all that but I don't see how there is any evidence that 17.4 million people can all be the same. I voted for Brexit and am not at all Nationalistic and I don't see how people portrayed in the media or on Forums are representative of 17.4m folk. |
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Post by oldgas on Nov 24, 2020 12:07:01 GMT
Whatever. The fact is that at the moment we trade with India on WTO terms. That seems to work OK, one side isn't looking to punish the other. How much better would it be for both sides if we could agree a trade deal between us? And we're only in a position where we can start talking to India, and all the other Commonwealth countries, because, at last, were free from the constraints of the EU and Brussels' stranglehold. I think India would likely look for more visas , especially students . I’d be fine with that , would you ? What's that got to do with a trade deal? We trade on WTO terms at the minute, have they threatened higher tariffs if we don't grant all these Visas which you seem to think they want, or are you just trying to provoke an argument over immigration? |
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Post by oldgas on Nov 24, 2020 12:13:00 GMT
National identity seems to be tightly wound in to the fabric of Brexit if you listen to the rhetoric people are coming out with, just look at oldgas posts, “god save the Queen” etc. that’s far from an isolated case from what I’m seeing. The previous poster got it spot on, it’s like harking back to a bygone era that isn’t coming back. Yep 365 I've seen all that but I don't see how there is any evidence that 17.4 million people can all be the same. I voted for Brexit and am not at all Nationalistic and I don't see how people portrayed in the media or on Forums are representative of 17.4m folk. 365 is fine with tarring all Leave voters as Xenophic, racist Little Englanders. I had one Remainer gravely inform me before the GE that anyone who voted to leave only had half a brain. However if you describe Remainers as unpatriotic turncoats who swallowed whole the pack of lies put about via project fear they throw a hissy fit, spit their dummy and sit in the corner sucking their thumbs. Its a good job us leavers had the good sense to save them from themselves. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 24, 2020 13:53:54 GMT
I think India would likely look for more visas , especially students . I’d be fine with that , would you ? What's that got to do with a trade deal? We trade on WTO terms at the minute, have they threatened higher tariffs if we don't grant all these Visas which you seem to think they want, or are you just trying to provoke an argument over immigration? Best you read up a bit Oldgas |
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