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Post by GasAttacK on Aug 7, 2018 20:56:38 GMT
seems he played wide in a front 3. He played wide left for one game and that was Saturday just gone. He was an out and out striker last season when played, hope he does well, likes scoring proper poachers goals but sometimes has to miss a couple before he gets one! I've read on your forum that he has no pace, poor technique, lack of effort, can't hold the ball up, wins nothing in the air, doesn't track back, regularly losses possession and misses 4 sitters for every goal he scores. Does that sound fair?
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Post by axegas on Aug 7, 2018 20:59:24 GMT
blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/97837/payne-off-bristol-roversWorth a read for your lot. As for my opinion I’ll copy and paste what I wrote there earlier. Surprised so many people are that bothered. I don’t dislike Payne, but I don’t think he’s any better then an average L1 striker. He’s got a goal in him, poachers goals, but he’s not overly good an any particular area, didn’t hold the ball up as well as Morris, isn’t particularly quick or skilful, generally an all round decent player but average at best for this division and replaceable. Always ran his socks off so credit to him for that, even Saturday out of position he did so, also scored from important goals for us so I thank him and wish him well, but I don’t think we’ll struggle without him, all the best Stefan. Little edit, only just read through every message and seen the 400k quote, if that’s true it’s impossible to not accept that, I would have been very happy with half that amount. Just seen something else about 275k not 400, still seems a crazy figure, all the best to him though, decent chap. Hi thanks for the lowdown on him. I guess we are “excited” about getting him because it’s not the bargain basement striker that we thought we would be getting. We have a track record of getting the best out of strikers and our midfield have a lot of creativity, so what’s needed for us is someone who knows where the back of the net is. Probably not worth the figures that have been suggested but I guess that’s typical of the market late on in the window. Best of luck for the season ahead, hope to see you up there along with us.
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Post by mehewmagic on Aug 7, 2018 21:04:13 GMT
He played wide left for one game and that was Saturday just gone. He was an out and out striker last season when played, hope he does well, likes scoring proper poachers goals but sometimes has to miss a couple before he gets one! I've read on your forum that he has no pace, poor technique, lack of effort, can't hold the ball up, wins nothing in the air, doesn't track back, regularly losses possession and misses 4 sitters for every goal he scores. Does that sound fair? He'll fit right in 😂😮
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Post by mehewmagic on Aug 7, 2018 21:06:15 GMT
I can't believe I'm saying this... but for once in my life I'm in the know, I know something you all don't! Man this feels good, knowall and gasincider never said it felt this good. Friend of mine from Uni's best mate got to know him very well from his time at barnsley and still keep in touch today, obviously I've asked what's the craic and although Shrewsbury have accepted a bid because we've triggered a clause.... the man himself is not keen because it means moving his young family again, having already moved them around from Dover > barnsley > Shrewsbury, now potentially Bristol. Payne wants to stay in the north as he's made friends and settled in South Yorkshire. Be very surprised if he joins knowing that. Do I win some kind of prize for knowing this? Or do I get called a sh**head from now on 😅 Money talks though. Not sure what they pay him, but if we can afford to pay him more and a signing on fee, I'm sure he might think about moving. Yes. And the other way of looking at it is at least he didn't move to Shrewsbury, so Bristol wouldn't be an extra move. Anyway...what matters is that he's happy. If not, best to let it lie.
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Post by dannystfc on Aug 7, 2018 21:08:31 GMT
He played wide left for one game and that was Saturday just gone. He was an out and out striker last season when played, hope he does well, likes scoring proper poachers goals but sometimes has to miss a couple before he gets one! What’s he like up top on his own? We play 4-3-3 mostly, so ideally need a striker capable of leading the line by himself. I know he’s 6’2 (says Wiki!), but is he strong and/or able to hold the ball up and bring others into play? Cheers Funnily enough I just read a post on our forum saying he needs a partner and doesn’t cut it up top on his own and they’re probably right. We played with one striker last season and despite his pretty poor goalscoring record Carlton Morris was seen as first choice over Payne, simply because he held the ball up much better and brought others into play, it tended to bounce off Payne too often. It would be interesting if he had a regular partner with abit of pace and creativity becuase if you can get the ball to him in the right areas he can get goals at this level that’s for sure.
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Post by lpgas on Aug 7, 2018 21:12:14 GMT
Well lets hope he signs then, because I really don't want to go and watch Rovers with Nichols up front on his own. I will re-phrase that, I really don't want to go and watch Nicholls
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Aug 7, 2018 21:13:49 GMT
What’s he like up top on his own? We play 4-3-3 mostly, so ideally need a striker capable of leading the line by himself. I know he’s 6’2 (says Wiki!), but is he strong and/or able to hold the ball up and bring others into play? Cheers Funnily enough I just read a post on our forum saying he needs a partner and doesn’t cut it up top on his own and they’re probably right. We played with one striker last season and despite his pretty poor goalscoring record Carlton Morris was seen as first choice over Payne, simply because he held the ball up much better and brought others into play, it tended to bounce off Payne too often. It would be interesting if he had a regular partner with abit of pace and creativity becuase if you can get the ball to him in the right areas he can get goals at this level that’s for sure. Thanks for that - much appreciated.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 7, 2018 21:14:43 GMT
It would be interesting if he had a regular partner with abit of pace and creativity ... Ah, well.
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Post by dannystfc on Aug 7, 2018 21:17:34 GMT
He played wide left for one game and that was Saturday just gone. He was an out and out striker last season when played, hope he does well, likes scoring proper poachers goals but sometimes has to miss a couple before he gets one! I've read on your forum that he has no pace, poor technique, lack of effort, can't hold the ball up, wins nothing in the air, doesn't track back, regularly losses possession and misses 4 sitters for every goal he scores. Does that sound fair? In a word, no. Unfair to say he doesn’t work hard, he chased more then anyone Saturday when played wide left, when he’s up top he doesn’t track back but personally I wouldn’t want him to be doing that anyway, not his job! He’s not terrible at holding the ball up, but he’s not the typical big man that you can rely on to make the ball stick either, it’s a funny one becuase as I said on my initial post, he doesn’t have a particular characteristic to play off. He’s not slow, he doesn’t have poor technique and will win his fair amount of headers, but he just doesn’t have one redeeming strength that you can concentrate on, there’s nothing he can’t do but nothing he can do amazingly! Hope some part of that will make sense. He’s a decent all round striker but if you want to target a certain part of his game and say yeah, this is his strength, let’s work around it, there just isn’t one, but that doesn’t make him a bad player, he’ll definitely do a job at this level but don’t expect miracles.
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Post by dannystfc on Aug 7, 2018 21:18:44 GMT
blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/97837/payne-off-bristol-roversWorth a read for your lot. As for my opinion I’ll copy and paste what I wrote there earlier. Surprised so many people are that bothered. I don’t dislike Payne, but I don’t think he’s any better then an average L1 striker. He’s got a goal in him, poachers goals, but he’s not overly good an any particular area, didn’t hold the ball up as well as Morris, isn’t particularly quick or skilful, generally an all round decent player but average at best for this division and replaceable. Always ran his socks off so credit to him for that, even Saturday out of position he did so, also scored from important goals for us so I thank him and wish him well, but I don’t think we’ll struggle without him, all the best Stefan. Little edit, only just read through every message and seen the 400k quote, if that’s true it’s impossible to not accept that, I would have been very happy with half that amount. Just seen something else about 275k not 400, still seems a crazy figure, all the best to him though, decent chap. Hi thanks for the lowdown on him. I guess we are “excited” about getting him because it’s not the bargain basement striker that we thought we would be getting. We have a track record of getting the best out of strikers and our midfield have a lot of creativity, so what’s needed for us is someone who knows where the back of the net is. Probably not worth the figures that have been suggested but I guess that’s typical of the market late on in the window. Best of luck for the season ahead, hope to see you up there along with us. Not a problem, he’ll score poachers goals, give him the service and he’ll do what he’s there to do.
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Post by GasAttacK on Aug 7, 2018 21:28:55 GMT
I've read on your forum that he has no pace, poor technique, lack of effort, can't hold the ball up, wins nothing in the air, doesn't track back, regularly losses possession and misses 4 sitters for every goal he scores. Does that sound fair? In a word, no. Unfair to say he doesn’t work hard, he chased more then anyone Saturday when played wide left, when he’s up top he doesn’t track back but personally I wouldn’t want him to be doing that anyway, not his job! He’s not terrible at holding the ball up, but he’s not the typical big man that you can rely on to make the ball stick either, it’s a funny one becuase as I said on my initial post, he doesn’t have a particular characteristic to play off. He’s not slow, he doesn’t have poor technique and will win his fair amount of headers, but he just doesn’t have one redeeming strength that you can concentrate on, there’s nothing he can’t do but nothing he can do amazingly! Hope some part of that will make sense. He’s a decent all round striker but if you want to target a certain part of his game and say yeah, this is his strength, let’s work around it, there just isn’t one, but that doesn’t make him a bad player, he’ll definitely do a job at this level but don’t expect miracles. That sounds at least a little more encouraging than most the comments I've read. Must admit I haven't been that impressed the few times I've seen him play but at least he doesn't sound like a complete write off.
As far as we're concerned he sounds more like Gaffney than Harrison.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 21:32:06 GMT
If you read too much into what people say about departing players on a forum then you must be a bit FICK imo. Plenty of posters get a bee in their bonnet when players leave that totally distorts the picture of the said player.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 21:33:38 GMT
It looks like our owners are trying their best to back the manager which is very encouraging.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 7, 2018 21:40:06 GMT
It looks like our owners are trying their best to back the manager which is very encouraging. What passing on around a third at most for what they received for Harrison for his replacement, good they've given him something but to say they are trying their best is pushing it! DC's still got to replace Sweeney/Burn, Bola & Gaffney to even keep a similar squad to last season.
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Post by axegas on Aug 7, 2018 21:44:54 GMT
It looks like our owners are trying their best to back the manager which is very encouraging. What passing on around a third at most for what they received for Harrison for his replacement, good they've given him something but to say they are trying their best is pushing it! DC's still got to replace Sweeney/Burn, Bola & Gaffney to even keep a similar squad to last season. He’s got until the end of August to replace Sweeney, Telford and Bola by loans. Mostly on the periphery anyway, so won’t be missed too much. I would like to see us replace Burn and Gaffney with permanent signings in addition to Payne though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 21:45:12 GMT
If you read too much into what people say about departing players on a forum then you must be a bit FICK imo. Plenty of posters get a bee in their bonnet when players leave that totally distorts the picture of the said player. Agree, I think the fact some Shrews fans have signed up on here to talk about the potential sale of Payne casts a bit of doubt on the general 'I couldn't give a sh** he's going' attitude being portrayed on their forum?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 22:16:51 GMT
It looks like our owners are trying their best to back the manager which is very encouraging. What passing on around a third at most for what they received for Harrison for his replacement, good they've given him something but to say they are trying their best is pushing it! DC's still got to replace Sweeney/Burn, Bola & Gaffney to even keep a similar squad to last season. Small clubs cannot pass on all the transfer fees,its part of our and most league 1 and 2 clubs survival strategy. Will peterbro be spending all the £4m plus they got for marriot? cheltenham for eisa etc etc Even bristol city are unlikely to spend anything like what they got for flint,reid and bryan[ongoing].
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Post by dannystfc on Aug 7, 2018 22:19:01 GMT
If you read too much into what people say about departing players on a forum then you must be a bit FICK imo. Plenty of posters get a bee in their bonnet when players leave that totally distorts the picture of the said player. Agree, I think the fact some Shrews fans have signed up on here to talk about the potential sale of Payne casts a bit of doubt on the general 'I couldn't give a sh** he's going' attitude being portrayed on their forum? I came over to see what you guys were saying, and noticed it signed me in when I got here, must have signed up some time ago! Payne is one of those players who was probably going to play half our games this season, start a few, come off the bench for a few. A squad player rather then a vital one, so although I completely understand the logic behind not listening to fans of a club who are losing a player, I don’t think anyone has a problem with Payne, so I don’t think there’s any biased views on his ability due to him leaving, what I’ve read on our forum all seems pretty fair. Always been an honest player and tried to do well so I think everyone will hope he does well, which isn’t the general feeling about Mr Nolan and Mr Nsiala leaving for Ipswich, although they completely deserve their crack at a higher level and have made us a nice couple of million, Payne certainly leaves with more dignity and we’ll wishes then they do.
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Post by c4h10 on Aug 7, 2018 22:29:43 GMT
Fair enough, if that's the kind of response I get I won't waste my time any further. back to your electric train set is it Why be so rude to a fellow football supporter who was engaged in an interesting discussion?
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Post by peterhooper57 on Aug 7, 2018 23:54:50 GMT
Has Payner signed yet ? get him over the line and that just leaves one more before deadline Thursday. Come on DC you can do it !
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