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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 19:27:51 GMT
The blame lies first and foremost with the shouting abuse and secondly with the officials and with the stewards the way I see it. I really think a points deduction would be harsh. The officials will be in the poo for this more so than our club I would think. Glad someone said it.
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Post by Mark Ash on Oct 8, 2014 19:39:59 GMT
The statement the club has put out is inevitable, of course, but it is full of the usual off-the-shelf insincerity IMO. How can they claim to operate a zero-tolerance policy toward racism, when the steward - who IS Bristol Rovers as far as their authority in this incident is concerned - allows it to go on for 10 minutes? They may aspire to zero- tolerance but they do not operate it. There will never come a time when no-one, over the course of a whole season, in a crowd of 5000+, behaves horribly. The whole point is the club's contingency plans - and how they implement them - to deal with such incidents when they happen. They have been found woefully lacking and I wouldn't blame anyone for thinking that their statement is not sincere. Sorry to say this. UTG.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Oct 8, 2014 19:42:58 GMT
The statement the club has put out is inevitable, of course, but it is full of the usual off-the-shelf insincerity IMO. How can they claim to operate a zero-tolerance policy toward racism, when the steward - who IS Bristol Rovers as far as their authority in this incident is concerned - allows it to go on for 10 minutes? They may aspire to zero- tolerance but they do not operate it. There will never come a time when no-one, over the course of a whole season, in a crowd of 5000+, behaves horribly. The whole point is the club's contingency plans - and how they implement them - to deal with such incidents when they happen. They have been found woefully lacking and I wouldn't blame anyone for thinking that their statement is not sincere. Sorry to say this. UTG. Or perhaps, it should be established what was said before life bans and steward condemnation has been dished out to national press. Jason Brown was 20ft away from a large crowd of noisy people, yet heard this abuse for 7 minutes. I am pretty shocked not one person on this forum has heard what was said. If somebody did, lets hear it...
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Post by Mark Ash on Oct 8, 2014 19:53:58 GMT
The statement the club has put out is inevitable, of course, but it is full of the usual off-the-shelf insincerity IMO. How can they claim to operate a zero-tolerance policy toward racism, when the steward - who IS Bristol Rovers as far as their authority in this incident is concerned - allows it to go on for 10 minutes? They may aspire to zero- tolerance but they do not operate it. There will never come a time when no-one, over the course of a whole season, in a crowd of 5000+, behaves horribly. The whole point is the club's contingency plans - and how they implement them - to deal with such incidents when they happen. They have been found woefully lacking and I wouldn't blame anyone for thinking that their statement is not sincere. Sorry to say this. UTG. Or perhaps, it should be established what was said before life bans and steward condemnation has been dished out to national press. Jason Brown was 20ft away from a large crowd of noisy people, yet heard this abuse for 7 minutes. I am pretty shocked not one person on this forum has heard what was said. If somebody did, lets hear it... Doesn't that have to imply one of these three things? 1. The GK is making it up. 2. The GK was mistaken about what he was hearing for 7 minutes. 3. No-one who heard it feels like getting embroiled in the mess. My money is on 3. I accept that the authorities have to take the methodical route, not saying much until investigation has taken place, but if no-one comes forward and no firm conclusion is arrived at, where does that leave the GK, our club and it's zero-tolerance policy and the game in general? It would be yet another incident of a black player being abused and nothing being done. Having watched his interview, I find it inconceivable that he is not telling it as it is.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Oct 8, 2014 20:00:00 GMT
Or perhaps, it should be established what was said before life bans and steward condemnation has been dished out to national press. Jason Brown was 20ft away from a large crowd of noisy people, yet heard this abuse for 7 minutes. I am pretty shocked not one person on this forum has heard what was said. If somebody did, lets hear it... Doesn't that have to imply one of these three things? 1. The GK is making it up. 2. The GK was mistaken about what he was hearing for 7 minutes. 3. No-one who heard it feels like getting embroiled in the mess. My money is on 3. I accept that the authorities have to take the methodical route, not saying much until investigation has taken place, but if no-one comes forward and no firm conclusion is arrived at, where does that leave the GK, our club and it's zero-tolerance policy and the game in general? It would be yet another incident of a black player being abused and nothing being done. Having watched his interview, I find it inconceivable that he is not telling it as it is. I agree, it's likely the GK is telling the truth. But I do find it very strange no one has come forward if it lasted 7 minutes and was obviously being shouted pretty loud. One person in the BEP comments section did claim to hear it, and gives a very different version of events to that of JB. It really needs to be established, because 'racial abuse' is a serious claim, as shown by the coverage of it nationally.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 8, 2014 20:01:15 GMT
Unless the club know Brown was racially abused I think they may well have been hasty putting out the statement they did, which seems to be almost accepting guilt before they have investigated the matter.
It seems odd Brown's claiming he was abused for 7 mins but not one fan seems to have heard anything racist?
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Post by Mark Ash on Oct 8, 2014 20:09:51 GMT
Doesn't that have to imply one of these three things? 1. The GK is making it up. 2. The GK was mistaken about what he was hearing for 7 minutes. 3. No-one who heard it feels like getting embroiled in the mess. My money is on 3. I accept that the authorities have to take the methodical route, not saying much until investigation has taken place, but if no-one comes forward and no firm conclusion is arrived at, where does that leave the GK, our club and it's zero-tolerance policy and the game in general? It would be yet another incident of a black player being abused and nothing being done. Having watched his interview, I find it inconceivable that he is not telling it as it is. I agree, it's likely the GK is telling the truth. But I do find it very strange no one has come forward if it lasted 7 minutes and was obviously being shouted pretty loud. One person in the BEP comments section did claim to hear it, and gives a very different version of events to that of JB. It really needs to be established, because 'racial abuse' is a serious claim, as shown by the coverage of it nationally. I know it does, of course. Sorry - what is the BEP?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 20:11:27 GMT
I agree, it's likely the GK is telling the truth. But I do find it very strange no one has come forward if it lasted 7 minutes and was obviously being shouted pretty loud. One person in the BEP comments section did claim to hear it, and gives a very different version of events to that of JB. It really needs to be established, because 'racial abuse' is a serious claim, as shown by the coverage of it nationally. I know it does, of course. Sorry - what is the BEP? Bristol Evening Post.
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Post by Mark Ash on Oct 8, 2014 20:13:26 GMT
I know it does, of course. Sorry - what is the BEP? Bristol Evening Post. Doh!
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Post by empirebaypete on Oct 8, 2014 20:31:24 GMT
Unless the club know Brown was racially abused I think they may well have been hasty putting out the statement they did, which seems to be almost accepting guilt before they have investigated the matter. It seems odd Brown's claiming he was abused for 7 mins but not one fan seems to have heard anything racist? gaschat.co.uk/thread/1309/moronsI get the impression that blackthorngas heard.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 8:22:54 GMT
i dont understand why the stewards did report and hand the suspect over to the police at the scene?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 15:27:56 GMT
Unless the club know Brown was racially abused I think they may well have been hasty putting out the statement they did, which seems to be almost accepting guilt before they have investigated the matter. It seems odd Brown's claiming he was abused for 7 mins but not one fan seems to have heard anything racist? Lot's of people saying, nobody knows what was said. I don't think we really wanted it broadcast or our club may come under even more scrutiny and attract more ill feeling, and personally i don't want to hear it at all. Quote from Dave Harper (BRFC Safety Officer) when asked if the club have accepted the player was racially abused , his reply was "of course we have" "The club have accepted the player was racially abused and have written an apology to the FA, Dartford and the player"Can we now stop trying to shift the blame to the Dartford keeper, and as for stopping the game, Tweeting and using the media afterwards - Good i'm very glad he did, society needs people to stand up against things like this. We must stop a minority spoiling the lives of others. I only hope everyone can learn something from this incident and as a result we progress as a club, because your good honest supporter doesn't want this kind of behaviour in our stadium and want a place we feel both safe and able to bring our children and friends. UTG
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Post by gasincider on Oct 9, 2014 18:33:07 GMT
No, the reason the club apologised immediately is because it is the safest thing to do with punishment in mind. It seems to me that certain people on here are prepared to assume guilt until proved innocent.
Well that's not how it works here. If guilty, chuck the book at them. Until then they are innocent.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 18:36:01 GMT
No, the reason the club apologised immediately is because it is the safest thing to do with punishment in mind. It seems to me that certain people on here are prepared to assume guilt until proved innocent. Well that's not how it works here. If guilty, chuck the book at them. Until then they are innocent. Why are you prepared to assume that the Dartford keeper is lying about being racially abused?
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Oct 9, 2014 19:17:22 GMT
Not sure i understand the way some are turning their frustrations on Jason Brown. What has he done wrong?
He was racially abused (in his opinion) He followed protocol and stopped play and spoke to the referee. He tweeted his thoughts raising awareness of racism at football still existing. He also tweeted that he appreciated the support shown to him by Bristol Rovers supporters. some would agree he made a stand and have applauded his actions.
The issues raised are: Possible racist abuse, failure of referee to act correctly, failure of steward to implement action. The positives are: The player stood up and reported it, the club have acted promptly, Rovers fan's in general have condemned any racist abuse if it indeed took place.
Now, what do we actually know or what has been quoted. Well a few have reacted with "we don't know what was shouted", i can understand that.
It's been confirmed the abuse lasted many minutes this is acknowledged by Rovers fans nearby and the player. BRFC themselves have said "The club have accepted the player was racially abused"
If we search the many forums, social media etc i can only find 2 witness reports of what was shouted: " You F...ing Malteser" was widely quoted and i have been told (don't use Facebook) that in the BRFC Appreciation page one Rovers fan states " I was near him and all I heard him say was chocolate brownie and few other things".
So going on those comments from our own fan's i would say (in my opinion) that's unacceptable. I'm fully aware not everyone will agree.
It's enough for me to realise we need to improve our behaviour AS A CLUB, we have been in the news far too much lately and whether we like it or agree with it we don't come across as a family club recently. Of course 99.9% of us are well behaved and we should be proud of that. But media and news stories are widely publicised and we need to raise our efforts as a club and fans. Watching/attending football matches is a family activity now and we want everyone regardless of race, creed or religion to be welcome and feel comfortable in their surroundings, and that goes for male, female, boy or girl.
I mean no offence to anyone who has differing views. Let's just hope the outcome from all this is the right one, whatever that may be. UTG
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 19:22:49 GMT
Our club could do a lot more to promote the kick it out agenda. All they have ever done is get a black guy to rap on the pitch through the awful p.a system once a ter on kick it out day.
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Post by Mark Ash on Oct 9, 2014 20:18:50 GMT
i dont understand why the stewards did report and hand the suspect over to the police at the scene? Didn't?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 20:40:47 GMT
Our club could do a lot more to promote the kick it out agenda. All they have ever done is get a black guy to rap on the pitch through the awful p.a system once a ter on kick it out day. The club should invite Jason Roberts, Barry Hayles, Big Dev, Carl Saunders, Frankie Bennett etc onto the pitch in front of the Blackthorn before a game as a big group along with Harrison and Trotman to remind the crowd how ridiculous it is. That would be more powerful than some sh**ty reggae band.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 22:09:55 GMT
i dont understand why the stewards did report and hand the suspect over to the police at the scene? Didn't? sorry yes i meant to say didnt,,thanks for that,,it would have looked better for the club if that process was followed
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Post by 4evergas67 on Oct 9, 2014 22:47:39 GMT
i dont understand why the stewards did report and hand the suspect over to the police at the scene? Didn't? Hi I was thinking about posting on this thread but I need your advice before I do. Which is acceptable asshole or arsehole in your grand understanding of the english language?
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