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Post by stevek192 on Oct 24, 2018 23:54:36 GMT
bluebutterfly,
Usually agree with a lot of your comments but fail to see how playing one up top against a bottom club and defending every corner with all 11 p-layers in the penalty area is not defensive. We allowed Wimbledon to attack us for 70% of the game. We had three shots on target in 90 minutes. the problem is that Upson was the only player apart from Nichols to actually get in their penalty area apart from corners! you are entitled to your opinion but Lines form this season has been very disappointing and Upson is playing far better than Lines was however I think Lines should get his place back alongside |Upson.I agree about playing Payne.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2018 0:33:55 GMT
bluebutterfly, Usually agree with a lot of your comments but fail to see how playing one up top against a bottom club and defending every corner with all 11 p-layers in the penalty area is not defensive. We allowed Wimbledon to attack us for 70% of the game. We had three shots on target in 90 minutes. the problem is that Upson was the only player apart from Nichols to actually get in their penalty area apart from corners! you are entitled to your opinion but Lines form this season has been very disappointing and Upson is playing far better than Lines was however I think Lines should get his place back alongside |Upson.I agree about playing Payne. Just because you only have one out and out striker dosnt mean your defensive but the attacking midfield players didnt affect the game. I played under an FA coach in the western league years ago who insisted all 11 players come back for corners,his thinking was a team ethic all in it together thing and its quite common in full time pro football. However if you have matthews,bennett and nichols in your team it might seem more logical to keep at least one up front and keep more opponents in their own half on corners. I think we all enjoy your reports,i certainly do although im aware that i see the game differently to you quite often. |
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Post by GasAttacK on Oct 25, 2018 13:33:26 GMT
For me: Bonham (7) Leadbitter (6) Lockyer (7) Craig (8) Kelly (6) Matthews (5) Sercombe (5) O.Clarke (5) Upson (6) Bennett (5) Nichols (7) Our midfield could not string 2 passes together and left Nichols feeding off scraps. Nichols probably covers more ground than any player in the team. Superb workrate and he wins more than his fair share of battles against much bigger defenders. His first touch, movement off the ball and link play are streets ahead of our other forwards. I know his goal return is shocking but I've seen nothing to suggest Reilly, Payne or Jukubiak would score many more and they offer practically nothing to the team in comparison to Tom. How have you "seen nothing to suggest Reilly, Payne or Jukubiak would score many more"? Presumably you've seen the fact that they've all scored this season? And for that matter last season too? Reilly looks extremely naive and raw. His movement off the ball and first touch are both quite poor. He gets bullied by defenders and rarely gets himself in scoring positions. He could be a better finisher than Nichols - he hasn't had enough goal scoring chances to be sure - but his all round game doesn't match up. He can't hold up the ball or link play. He has scored goals in Scotland but L1 in another level and I'm not convinced he'll ever make the grade. Hopefully given time he'll prove me wrong but I don't believe he's the answer this season.
Jukibiak has a little more potential but much I've what I've said about Reilly still applies.
Payne is one of the worst strikers I've seen at Rovers in the last 30 years and that has as much to do with attitude as ability, maybe more. Excluding the penalty he's scored 1 goal, which was a header into an open net from 2 yards. He wins nothing in the air and 90% of the time he doesn't even bother to challenge. He can't hold the ball up because he either just stands still and lets the defender run past him or his first touch sends the ball into the car park. I've never seen a more lazy player at Rovers and it infuriates me because he impressed in his first game. Shrews fans warned us about Payne and everything they said appears to be true.
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Post by wertongas on Oct 25, 2018 15:19:21 GMT
I don't know why anyone stands up for Nichols he is a striker and is there to score goals but he has only scored one league goal in 15 months with us and that goal was over a year ago he is awful. I no he scored 10 goals for Peterborough but even their fans didn't like him and said he was lazy. Admittedly he did play well for 45 minutes against a poor Oxford team but 45 minutes of effort in 15 months is not good enough, every game I hope he will score but it never happens. Ellis put the effort in that Nichols made against Oxford nearly every game last season that shows the difference between the two.
We were dreadful against Wimbledon very lucky to get a win we probably didn't deserve however I did think the team defended well in the second half. One thing that I thought was very odd is on radio Bristol after the match Stewart said he new that Wimbledon were a very physical team and he didn't expect much flowing football, yet he still played Nichols upfront against two large centre backs, that made Nichols look like a school kid up against professionals. Why play lightweight players like Nichols, when you know the opposition are a big physical side. Rovers got lucky on another day we could have lost this game and should have been 2-1 down at half time, but it was three valuable points, however I do worry for the future if the management continue chopping and changing the team and making odd team selections. We need to give our other forwards a chance they will require a few games before they gel and improve but their is no point in signing them if you don't think their good enough to play.
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Post by GasAttacK on Oct 25, 2018 16:55:24 GMT
I don't know why anyone stands up for Nichols he is a striker and is there to score goals but he has only scored one league goal in 15 months with us and that goal was over a year ago he is awful. I no he scored 10 goals for Peterborough but even their fans didn't like him and said he was lazy. Admittedly he did play well for 45 minutes against a poor Oxford team but 45 minutes of effort in 15 months is not good enough, every game I hope he will score but it never happens. Ellis put the effort in that Nichols made against Oxford nearly every game last season that shows the difference between the two. We were dreadful against Wimbledon very lucky to get a win we probably didn't deserve however I did think the team defended well in the second half. One thing that I thought was very odd is on radio Bristol after the match Stewart said he new that Wimbledon were a very physical team and he didn't expect much flowing football, yet he still played Nichols upfront against two large centre backs, that made Nichols look like a school kid up against professionals. Why play lightweight players like Nichols, when you know the opposition are a big physical side. Rovers got lucky on another day we could have lost this game and should have been 2-1 down at half time, but it was three valuable points, however I do worry for the future if the management continue chopping and changing the team and making odd team selections. We need to give our other forwards a chance they will require a few games before they gel and improve but their is no point in signing them if you don't think their good enough to play. He played Nichols because he's the only striker we have with any ability. We have no other viable options.
Completely disagree about his workrate. He covers more ground than almost any other player in the squad and does more in 10 minutes than Payne does in 90.
All our strikers have had chances. Excluding Checkatrade because they're more like friendlies the stats are:
Payne - 10 Starts + 3 Sub = 2 Goals (Inc. 1 Penalty) Reilly - 4 Starts + 7 Sub = 1 Goal Jukubiak - 2 Starts + 8 Sub = 0 Goals Nichols - 10 Starts + 4 Sub = 0 Goals
So excluding the penalty - which could just as easily been scored by Reilly, Nichols, Jukibiak or Lockyer -we've only got 2 goals from 4 strikers over 26 Starts and 22 Sub appearances. None of our strikers have looked any more like scoring than Nichols who has been desperately unlucky not to have at least a couple of goals to his name.
Is Nichols good enough? With his goal return I'd have to say no, but he's still better than the other strikers we have in the squad in my opinion.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 25, 2018 16:59:04 GMT
None of our strikers have looked any more like scoring than Nichols who has been desperately unlucky not to have at least a couple of goals to his name.
Thought it was pretty funny on Tuesday as he was the next one in line as their bloke scored the own goal. |
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Post by wertongas on Oct 25, 2018 17:12:24 GMT
I don't know why anyone stands up for Nichols he is a striker and is there to score goals but he has only scored one league goal in 15 months with us and that goal was over a year ago he is awful. I no he scored 10 goals for Peterborough but even their fans didn't like him and said he was lazy. Admittedly he did play well for 45 minutes against a poor Oxford team but 45 minutes of effort in 15 months is not good enough, every game I hope he will score but it never happens. Ellis put the effort in that Nichols made against Oxford nearly every game last season that shows the difference between the two. We were dreadful against Wimbledon very lucky to get a win we probably didn't deserve however I did think the team defended well in the second half. One thing that I thought was very odd is on radio Bristol after the match Stewart said he new that Wimbledon were a very physical team and he didn't expect much flowing football, yet he still played Nichols upfront against two large centre backs, that made Nichols look like a school kid up against professionals. Why play lightweight players like Nichols, when you know the opposition are a big physical side. Rovers got lucky on another day we could have lost this game and should have been 2-1 down at half time, but it was three valuable points, however I do worry for the future if the management continue chopping and changing the team and making odd team selections. We need to give our other forwards a chance they will require a few games before they gel and improve but their is no point in signing them if you don't think their good enough to play. He played Nichols because he's the only striker we have with any ability. We have no other viable options.
Completely disagree about his workrate. He covers more ground than almost any other player in the squad and does more in 10 minutes than Payne does in 90.
All our strikers have had chances. Excluding Checkatrade because they're more like friendlies the stats are:
Payne - 10 Starts + 3 Sub = 2 Goals (Inc. 1 Penalty) Reilly - 4 Starts + 7 Sub = 1 Goal Jukubiak - 2 Starts + 8 Sub = 0 Goals Nichols - 10 Starts + 4 Sub = 0 Goals
So excluding the penalty - which could just as easily been scored by Reilly, Nichols, Jukibiak or Lockyer -we've only got 2 goals from 4 strikers over 26 Starts and 22 Sub appearances. None of our strikers have looked any more like scoring than Nichols who has been desperately unlucky not to have at least a couple of goals to his name.
Is Nichols good enough? With his goal return I'd have to say no, but he's still better than the other strikers we have in the squad in my opinion.
Well if what you say is correct then all our four strikers are crap, I wonder who's fault that is?. |
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Post by LJG on Oct 25, 2018 17:12:54 GMT
How have you "seen nothing to suggest Reilly, Payne or Jukubiak would score many more"? Presumably you've seen the fact that they've all scored this season? And for that matter last season too? Reilly looks extremely naive and raw. His movement off the ball and first touch are both quite poor. He gets bullied by defenders and rarely gets himself in scoring positions. He could be a better finisher than Nichols - he hasn't had enough goal scoring chances to be sure - but his all round game doesn't match up. He can't hold up the ball or link play. He has scored goals in Scotland but L1 in another level and I'm not convinced he'll ever make the grade. Hopefully given time he'll prove me wrong but I don't believe he's the answer this season.
Jukibiak has a little more potential but much I've what I've said about Reilly still applies.
Payne is one of the worst strikers I've seen at Rovers in the last 30 years and that has as much to do with attitude as ability, maybe more. Excluding the penalty he's scored 1 goal, which was a header into an open net from 2 yards. He wins nothing in the air and 90% of the time he doesn't even bother to challenge. He can't hold the ball up because he either just stands still and lets the defender run past him or his first touch sends the ball into the car park. I've never seen a more lazy player at Rovers and it infuriates me because he impressed in his first game. Shrews fans warned us about Payne and everything they said appears to be true.
Well regardless of anything you say or any of the old "penalties don't count" bollox (remember Luke James showing us how easy it is to score those) you can't say there is nothing to suggest a thing when there is something to suggest a thing. That being the existence of the thing you're saying there's nothing to suggest exists. Put plainly: all our strikers bar Nicholls have scored goals this season and last so saying there's nothing to suggest they can do better than him is clearly wrong because there is - their goal tallies. |
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Oct 25, 2018 17:15:16 GMT
Reilly looks extremely naive and raw. His movement off the ball and first touch are both quite poor. He gets bullied by defenders and rarely gets himself in scoring positions. He could be a better finisher than Nichols - he hasn't had enough goal scoring chances to be sure - but his all round game doesn't match up. He can't hold up the ball or link play. He has scored goals in Scotland but L1 in another level and I'm not convinced he'll ever make the grade. Hopefully given time he'll prove me wrong but I don't believe he's the answer this season.
Jukibiak has a little more potential but much I've what I've said about Reilly still applies.
Payne is one of the worst strikers I've seen at Rovers in the last 30 years and that has as much to do with attitude as ability, maybe more. Excluding the penalty he's scored 1 goal, which was a header into an open net from 2 yards. He wins nothing in the air and 90% of the time he doesn't even bother to challenge. He can't hold the ball up because he either just stands still and lets the defender run past him or his first touch sends the ball into the car park. I've never seen a more lazy player at Rovers and it infuriates me because he impressed in his first game. Shrews fans warned us about Payne and everything they said appears to be true.
Well regardless of anything you say or any of the old "penalties don't count" bollox (remember Luke James showing us how easy it is to score those) you can't say there is nothing to suggest a thing when there is something to suggest a thing. That being the existence of the thing you're saying there's nothing to suggest exists. Put plainly: all our strikers bar Nicholls have scored goals this season and last so saying there's nothing to suggest they can do better than him is clearly wrong because there is - their goal tallies.
"you can't say there is nothing to suggest a thing when there is something to suggest a thing. That being the existence of the thing you're saying there's nothing to suggest exists."
You lost me at you.
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Post by LJG on Oct 25, 2018 17:18:03 GMT
I don't know why anyone stands up for Nichols he is a striker and is there to score goals but he has only scored one league goal in 15 months with us and that goal was over a year ago he is awful. I no he scored 10 goals for Peterborough but even their fans didn't like him and said he was lazy. Admittedly he did play well for 45 minutes against a poor Oxford team but 45 minutes of effort in 15 months is not good enough, every game I hope he will score but it never happens. Ellis put the effort in that Nichols made against Oxford nearly every game last season that shows the difference between the two. We were dreadful against Wimbledon very lucky to get a win we probably didn't deserve however I did think the team defended well in the second half. One thing that I thought was very odd is on radio Bristol after the match Stewart said he new that Wimbledon were a very physical team and he didn't expect much flowing football, yet he still played Nichols upfront against two large centre backs, that made Nichols look like a school kid up against professionals. Why play lightweight players like Nichols, when you know the opposition are a big physical side. Rovers got lucky on another day we could have lost this game and should have been 2-1 down at half time, but it was three valuable points, however I do worry for the future if the management continue chopping and changing the team and making odd team selections. We need to give our other forwards a chance they will require a few games before they gel and improve but their is no point in signing them if you don't think their good enough to play. He played Nichols because he's the only striker we have with any ability. We have no other viable options.
Completely disagree about his workrate. He covers more ground than almost any other player in the squad and does more in 10 minutes than Payne does in 90.
All our strikers have had chances. Excluding Checkatrade because they're more like friendlies the stats are:
Payne - 10 Starts + 3 Sub = 2 Goals (Inc. 1 Penalty) Reilly - 4 Starts + 7 Sub = 1 Goal Jukubiak - 2 Starts + 8 Sub = 0 Goals Nichols - 10 Starts + 4 Sub = 0 Goals
So excluding the penalty - which could just as easily been scored by Reilly, Nichols, Jukibiak or Lockyer -we've only got 2 goals from 4 strikers over 26 Starts and 22 Sub appearances. None of our strikers have looked any more like scoring than Nichols who has been desperately unlucky not to have at least a couple of goals to his name.
Is Nichols good enough? With his goal return I'd have to say no, but he's still better than the other strikers we have in the squad in my opinion.
So discounting check a trade and discounting penalties and discounting the fact Nicholls hasn't scored at any level for over a year ... anything else you want to discount? The fact they're playing football? |
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Post by GasAttacK on Oct 25, 2018 17:36:23 GMT
Nichols has scored more football league goals than all other other strikers put together, nearly 4 times as many. So, if you want to look at previous seasons you also have to consider that. We can all look at the stats and lets face it they don't look good for any of them - particularly this season - but I'm basing it mainly on what I see on the pitch, their all round game / workrate and in my opinion Nichols is streets ahead. That said, if we're relying on him to score the goals to keep us up we'll probably end up in L2. I personally don't think we have a striker in the squad that can score the goals to keep us up. I think Payne, Reilly and Jukubiak offer so little to the team that they need to be scoring to be worth a place. I've personally seen very little this season to suggest any of then are going to start banging in the goals.
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Post by markczgas on Oct 25, 2018 18:12:30 GMT
Nichols has scored more football league goals than all other other strikers put together, nearly 4 times as many. So, if you want to look at previous seasons you also have to consider that. We can all look at the stats and lets face it they don't look good for any of them - particularly this season - but I'm basing it mainly on what I see on the pitch, their all round game / workrate and in my opinion Nichols is streets ahead. That said, if we're relying on him to score the goals to keep us up we'll probably end up in L2. I personally don't think we have a striker in the squad that can score the goals to keep us up. I think Payne, Reilly and Jukubiak offer so little to the team that they need to be scoring to be worth a place. I've personally seen very little this season to suggest any of then are going to start banging in the goals.
It's all about opinions. Hopefully somebody proves me wrong. How many gilt-edge chances and penalties have the 4 strikers missed ? |
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Oct 25, 2018 18:17:50 GMT
Nichols has scored more football league goals than all other other strikers put together, nearly 4 times as many. So, if you want to look at previous seasons you also have to consider that. We can all look at the stats and lets face it they don't look good for any of them - particularly this season - but I'm basing it mainly on what I see on the pitch, their all round game / workrate and in my opinion Nichols is streets ahead. That said, if we're relying on him to score the goals to keep us up we'll probably end up in L2. I personally don't think we have a striker in the squad that can score the goals to keep us up. I think Payne, Reilly and Jukubiak offer so little to the team that they need to be scoring to be worth a place. I've personally seen very little this season to suggest any of then are going to start banging in the goals.
It's all about opinions. Hopefully somebody proves me wrong. "Nichols has scored more football league goals than all other other strikers put together, nearly 4 times as many. So, if you want to look at previous seasons you also have to consider that" I'm sorry, but I just look at what he's scored for us, and that's f#ck all. Does that include Reilly's football league goals? |
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Post by GasAttacK on Oct 25, 2018 18:23:57 GMT
Nichols has scored more football league goals than all other other strikers put together, nearly 4 times as many. So, if you want to look at previous seasons you also have to consider that. We can all look at the stats and lets face it they don't look good for any of them - particularly this season - but I'm basing it mainly on what I see on the pitch, their all round game / workrate and in my opinion Nichols is streets ahead. That said, if we're relying on him to score the goals to keep us up we'll probably end up in L2. I personally don't think we have a striker in the squad that can score the goals to keep us up. I think Payne, Reilly and Jukubiak offer so little to the team that they need to be scoring to be worth a place. I've personally seen very little this season to suggest any of then are going to start banging in the goals.
It's all about opinions. Hopefully somebody proves me wrong. How many gilt-edge chances and penalties have the 4 strikers missed ? Not as many as Nichols, I can't argue with that. However, I believe that's because their movement is so poor in comparison they rarely get themselves into goal scoring positions. In my opinion Payne, Reilly and Jukubiak are not intelligent footballers. They don't seem to know what's going on around them and see situations far too late.
I'm pro Nichols for his all round game and workrate but if I thought Payne, Reilly or Jukubiak were going to start banging in goals I'd have no problem with him being dropped.
As I say, just my opinion and I appreciate others will see it very differently. Lets face it , it's difficult to make a strong case for any of them.
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Post by LJG on Oct 25, 2018 21:35:01 GMT
Nichols has scored more football league goals than all other other strikers put together, nearly 4 times as many. So, if you want to look at previous seasons you also have to consider that. We can all look at the stats and lets face it they don't look good for any of them - particularly this season - but I'm basing it mainly on what I see on the pitch, their all round game / workrate and in my opinion Nichols is streets ahead. That said, if we're relying on him to score the goals to keep us up we'll probably end up in L2. I personally don't think we have a striker in the squad that can score the goals to keep us up. I think Payne, Reilly and Jukubiak offer so little to the team that they need to be scoring to be worth a place. I've personally seen very little this season to suggest any of then are going to start banging in the goals.
It's all about opinions. Hopefully somebody proves me wrong. You're obviously not basing it on what you see on the pitch because on the pitch you've seen Payne, Reilly and Jakubiak score goals. |
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Post by Gasshole on Oct 25, 2018 23:05:37 GMT
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