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Post by clockendgas on Nov 8, 2018 13:50:44 GMT
I don't think any of us old gits are saying it was right but that's how it was,now we are all older and wiser we behave differently,football's always been tribal and often that made for a cracking atmosphere, even if you were worried about getting a kicking, that's life.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 15:32:45 GMT
As others have said, it was a different era, and taken for granted as part of life then, people probably remember it fondly due to the comradeship of mates and laughs as much as anything. I'm certainly glad that things have moved on, although sadly the atmosphere at games is certainly a lot more sterile now too. I never stood on the Tote, always watched from the stands with my Dad. I remember an evening game when Chelsea were in the Tote, and were rounded up and led along the side of the pitch to the Muller Road end. As they went past, an old guy near us stood up shouted that he'd fought in two World Wars and offered them out - he got a round of applause! The same commeraderie that cost millions of lives in world war you mean? Those were the days too, right? Now war is condemned whether it’s civil unrest or political, militia or countries inciting any form of force and that’s why the UN is there. It doesn’t stop it, but no one can deny the pain war brings on all levels for whatever cause, regardless of the commeraderie you have fighting within it. I’ve had some things I’ve done for laughs with my mates, and as young bucks, we all thought we were cool and tough. Looking back I cringe at the things we did and I do regret them. Perhaps I’ve just become more aware of what is decent and what isn’t. What are you on about man? No ones made a link between football and world war commeraderie except you,and how do you come to the conclusion that commerarderie cost millions of lives? Complete bullshit mate.
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Post by aghast on Nov 8, 2018 18:03:16 GMT
There were a few of us who stood on the Tote End in the 70s who hated the violence and the threatening atmosphere at matches.
We went to watch the team and sing some songs. The aggro ruined it for me which is why I moved to the North Stand.
You can keep your camaraderie and your misty memories of how great it was rhen. It wasn't.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 8, 2018 23:49:33 GMT
The police took my Doc Martins off at the beginning of one game. When I went back to collect them they gave me a pair of rubber work boots that were too big for me. I drove my Lambo all the way back to Frome in my socks Had the same at Bournemouth, first game of the season i think of our promotion in 73/74. Won three nil Smash n Grab. I couldn’t get in the away end that day and went in the home end with another mate, with my scarf. Got a few looks and had to move quickly in the second half to the edge when we scored. At the final whistle I scarpered pretty quickly. I couldn’t see a single copper at the home end, none protecting me!! Too busy keeping you lot under control at the away end obviously!! 😉 Great match and memories. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 8, 2018 23:52:55 GMT
I don't think any of us old gits are saying it was right but that's how it was,now we are all older and wiser we behave differently,football's always been tribal and often that made for a cracking atmosphere, even if you were worried about getting a kicking, that's life. And now everybody kicks off on-line. We have some very brave people on here giving it what for behind their computer screens don’t we? 😉 UTG!
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Post by olskooltoteender on Nov 9, 2018 8:03:21 GMT
As others have said, it was a different era, and taken for granted as part of life then, people probably remember it fondly due to the comradeship of mates and laughs as much as anything. I'm certainly glad that things have moved on, although sadly the atmosphere at games is certainly a lot more sterile now too. I never stood on the Tote, always watched from the stands with my Dad. I remember an evening game when Chelsea were in the Tote, and were rounded up and led along the side of the pitch to the Muller Road end. As they went past, an old guy near us stood up shouted that he'd fought in two World Wars and offered them out - he got a round of applause! The same commeraderie that cost millions of lives in world war you mean? Those were the days too, right? Now war is condemned whether it’s civil unrest or political, militia or countries inciting any form of force and that’s why the UN is there. It doesn’t stop it, but no one can deny the pain war brings on all levels for whatever cause, regardless of the commeraderie you have fighting within it. I’ve had some things I’ve done for laughs with my mates, and as young bucks, we all thought we were cool and tough. Looking back I cringe at the things we did and I do regret them. Perhaps I’ve just become more aware of what is decent and what isn’t. Oh come on - there’s a bit of a difference between some (mostly) low-level football hooliganism (mostly between hooligans) and politicians/rulers taking aggressive measures against other countries. Millwall trying to “take” the Tote End is a world away from the Battle of the Somme, or Germany’s invasion of the USSR. I’m not condoning the violence, cos as a teenager I can clearly remember being scared more than once at football matches, but it was part of the whole thing and generally speaking the only people who got involved were those who wanted to get involved.
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Post by inee on Nov 14, 2018 16:05:47 GMT
kin ell Hugo , was a different way of life back then ,if one of yours (Mate ,neighbour or someone from your school or area) was getting some agro you'd wade in without thinking .was just the way it was , i really would love to be able to transport a lot of you back in time as many of you would have done the same ,things were so different back then ,was just a way of letting off steamI think he is on about watering in someones pocket. erm must remember to read posts lmao
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Post by inee on Nov 14, 2018 16:37:52 GMT
Well the one that stands out was somehow ending up in the middle of the hokey cokey ,that hurt a lot, but the story doesn't end there ,so upto the back of the toke a few lungs full of the glue bag eased the pain ,went back to where i was standing, then it got a whole lot worse was a while of pain that appeared ,i'll tell ee wot this crew knew how to inflickt pain . So standing there stoned and still smarting a bit from the attention i got from the totenders , i suddenly coughed up a blood monkey and spat it out as i was feeling sick,thats when it happened, before i could move or say sorry i heard these works right you little fecing b'stard you thing thats f'in funny ,i'll show you funny you f'in piece of sh** whilst being what felt like being stabbed in the kidneys with a wooden dildo simultaneously being bundled out of the tote out of the stadium the had the sh** kicked out of me, yup i had hawked up on a pig ,that was the way then a right slap from the filth then told to feck off home ,that was one o the only time i remember doing as i was told without question Yers for the totenders ;lol;
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Post by toteend4 on Nov 20, 2018 21:53:09 GMT
It sure was a mad world when you think back i remember a very major ruck with Chelsea fans after a game. Bearing in mind the Police were absolutely clueless it was considered a badge of honour to be arrested and several of my mates managed to achieve that dubious honour on that day. You also were not considered worthy until you been seen to have taking a 'good kicking' I have to admit neither took my fancy, along with joining the national front who used to ply their trades outside Eastville.
An example of what was considered normal back in the day, i was in a car with three mates all of us high on drugs and drink. Well the driver lost control of the car after several somersaults we ended upside down. Fortunately none of us had more that cuts and bruises after climbing out through the Windows. The next thing that happened was out from nearby houses was several 'old dears' checking we were ok and giving us tea and biscuits. Eventully the Police show up, who were amazed than none of us were seriously injured. Not long after pats on the back etc the Police gave all us lifts home - real heros not!
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Post by William Wilson on Nov 21, 2018 8:43:57 GMT
It sure was a mad world when you think back i remember a very major ruck with Chelsea fans after a game. I remember David Williams scoring a late winner against Chelsea, and the Muller Road end suddenly being almost completely empty, as their fans came round to confront ours.
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Post by stokegiffordgas on Nov 21, 2018 9:49:41 GMT
Aldershot away in 73/74 season- played on a Sunday afternoon due to power strikes- we had more fans than they did and it was mayhem before and after. The walk through the park singing hi ho hi ho to rovers here we go (or similar) and after the match peeing off some woman (as we were making a noise outside her house) throwing a bucket of water at us from the upstairs window (She was like a monty python character) oh and pretty sure we won 3-2 as well!
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