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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 26, 2018 10:20:30 GMT
So if you are a player and been promised: training ground/stadium/push for promotion etc and all those things do not come to fuition, hpow do you feel? Put another way if you are at work, and you are promised a pay rise, better working conditions, nice new office/van etc and those things don't happen, how would you feel? Still want to give your heart and soul to the company?
Most players are on 2 year contracts at most, would they really worry about the fact we've not got pp for a training ground etc? I still think league position wise losing Harrison, after Bodin/Taylor was a big blow as we're usually only one goal short in most games. So far Payne has been a bit of a disaster signing. Not sure who you blame for Payne, Rodman & Upson being so poor, the players, the manager, not sure you can blame the owners/BoD?
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 26, 2018 10:26:27 GMT
No direction from the owners, board aren’t they the same? If you mean Hamer, he’s just a mouthpiece for the owners. DC has to take a share of the blame, tactics and recruitment not the best this season. Some players don’t seem interested. We’ve also had some very bad luck, had that pen been given against Barnet and we’d won and we’d been looking at playing Stockport it would be different but it isn’t. Fans, not so sure but in the Thatchers last week a few next to me seemed pleased when Barnet scored although perhaps it was just gallows humour. Fans usually reflect what’s going on on the field so not really their fault but one or two probably don’t help. A bit of everything then! More to the point, to get out of this mess needs everyone to do what they do a bit better, owners, DC, players and fans and also hope our luck turns and we get a bit of the rub of the green. And preferably a referee or two who can see a foul from three yards! UTG! No, by The Board I am asking if the people put in charge of the club are actually performing well enough in the owners absence. OK. Well I’m not sure what Starnes or Hamer does as it always seems as if Tom G is doing the stuff as Commercial Director. We do seem to have had a number of bloomers this year with delayed starts and planning issues etc. For what we are it seems a bit too top heavy but I’m not itk so I may be way out. In the end our position is not down to just one part of the club not performing, and to get out of this mess we need all parts, DC, players, owners and board to do better. UTG!
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Post by Strange Gas on Nov 26, 2018 10:27:18 GMT
No direction from the owners, board aren’t they the same? If you mean Hamer, he’s just a mouthpiece for the owners. DC has to take a share of the blame, tactics and recruitment not the best this season. Some players don’t seem interested. We’ve also had some very bad luck, had that pen been given against Barnet and we’d won and we’d been looking at playing Stockport it would be different but it isn’t. Fans, not so sure but in the Thatchers last week a few next to me seemed pleased when Barnet scored although perhaps it was just gallows humour. Fans usually reflect what’s going on on the field so not really their fault but one or two probably don’t help. A bit of everything then! More to the point, to get out of this mess needs everyone to do what they do a bit better, owners, DC, players and fans and also hope our luck turns and we get a bit of the rub of the green. And preferably a referee or two who can see a foul from three yards! UTG! No, by The Board I am asking if the people put in charge of the club are actually performing well enough in the owners absence. Seemingly not, although have they been empowered to do so, definitely not. But that shouldn't stop them providing leadership rather than hiding behind programme notes and spinning in interviews
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 10:36:15 GMT
Was about to cast my vote but was left floundering when I realised “Topper” wasn’t one of the options!
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Post by scoobydoogas on Nov 26, 2018 10:41:34 GMT
I blame my 1st wife, she was a bitch! My wife's a bitch but I love her dearly. Woof woof.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 10:45:04 GMT
Good thread Hugo The club collectively but the owners the biggest culprits. DC for the recruitment and the chopping and changing the team and formations along with his stubborn attitude. Fans for getting on individual players backs and vile language directed at the team sometimes.
The club at the moment is only going one way which I’m afraid is the wrong way.
My wish for the owners to announce a new ground or redevelopment of the mem and DC turns the teams fortune around but can’t see neither 😢
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Post by chewbacca on Nov 26, 2018 10:54:29 GMT
The ownership for me sets the tone for the whole club, unrest at the top bleeds into lower levels of the club. The contradictory approach to the progression of the club at the top is always going to effect those bellow it. When Darrell signed a new contract in June 2017 we had a stadium and new training ground on the way. Now, we have neither. Admittedly plenty of aspects away from the ownership haven't been great, and if individually they were the only issue currently within the club then you could point the finger at them. However, with the current sh** storm at all levels of the club for me the buck stops at the very top.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 11:08:04 GMT
So if you are a player and been promised: training ground/stadium/push for promotion etc and all those things do not come to fuition, hpow do you feel? Put another way if you are at work, and you are promised a pay rise, better working conditions, nice new office/van etc and those things don't happen, how would you feel? Still want to give your heart and soul to the company?
That is a very poor excuse. Two points in your argument which stand out for me.. A. If you are not happy ask for a move. B. Don’t just turn up and take your wages without doing your job. They won’t go that because it is easy money for kicking a bag of wind around for 90 minutes. How these ‘footballers’ can just turn up at 3. Pm and get exonerated is beyond belief. A taste of the real world is what they need and it will soon be coming at this level.
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 26, 2018 11:12:34 GMT
The fish rots from the head.
The owners and the board collectively must take responsibility for the lack of direction and vision for the future which sadly has effected the budget and then the mojo of the management and playing squad.
DC however identifies the players and picks the team so he also must share the responsibility for where we are in the league.
It’s a bit like an aeroplane crash (thought it was apt given the landing lights were on) When it hits the floor that is normally the result of a collection of events in sequence often days prior, the crash is just the seen result and the pilots know they are gonna hit the floor. Right now we know we are going to be relegated, and we can see the sequence of events as to why, it’s just weather we can rectify them quickly, starting this week and in Jan.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 11:23:31 GMT
The fish rots from the head. The owners and the board collectively must take responsibility for the lack of direction and vision for the future which sadly has effected the budget and then the mojo of the management and playing squad. DC however identifies the players and picks the team so he also must share the responsibility for where we are in the league. It’s a bit like an aeroplane crash (thought it was apt given the landing lights were on) When it hits the floor that is normally the result of a collection of events in sequence often days prior, the crash is just the seen result and the pilots know they are gonna hit the floor. Right now we know we are going to be relegated, and we can see the sequence of events as to why, it’s just weather we can rectify them quickly, starting this week and in Jan. Nothing could be further than that comparison. To put it in layman’s terms, and from games I’ve seen this season, if we had put the ball in the net and defended better than a Sunday league side at times we would be well up the table. Even tho the football in the Maine has been poor it really has been a case of the above two points. Fine margins.
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Post by chewbacca on Nov 26, 2018 11:29:42 GMT
The fish rots from the head. The owners and the board collectively must take responsibility for the lack of direction and vision for the future which sadly has effected the budget and then the mojo of the management and playing squad. DC however identifies the players and picks the team so he also must share the responsibility for where we are in the league. It’s a bit like an aeroplane crash (thought it was apt given the landing lights were on) When it hits the floor that is normally the result of a collection of events in sequence often days prior, the crash is just the seen result and the pilots know they are gonna hit the floor. Right now we know we are going to be relegated, and we can see the sequence of events as to why, it’s just weather we can rectify them quickly, starting this week and in Jan. Nothing could be further than that comparison. To put it in layman’s terms, and from games I’ve seen this season, if we had put the ball in the net and defended better than a Sunday league side at times we would be well up the table. Even tho the football in the Maine has been poor it really has been a case of the above two points. Fine margins. Nonsense, we have the fourth best defensive record in the league. Before you come back with "Oh but Bonham has made loads of saves", he's a member of the defence.
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Post by William Wilson on Nov 26, 2018 11:32:07 GMT
I blame my 1st wife, she was a bitch! Maybe it's time to think about getting a divorce. You`d think so, wouldn`t you?
Especially if he`s already married to his 2nd wife.
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Post by justin blue on Nov 26, 2018 11:45:26 GMT
The fish rots from the head. The owners and the board collectively must take responsibility for the lack of direction and vision for the future which sadly has effected the budget and then the mojo of the management and playing squad. DC however identifies the players and picks the team so he also must share the responsibility for where we are in the league. It’s a bit like an aeroplane crash (thought it was apt given the landing lights were on) When it hits the floor that is normally the result of a collection of events in sequence often days prior, the crash is just the seen result and the pilots know they are gonna hit the floor. Right now we know we are going to be relegated, and we can see the sequence of events as to why, it’s just weather we can rectify them quickly, starting this week and in Jan. You are clearly not a fish keeper there is Tail rot, fin rot, cotton mouth and dropsy, never heard of head rot
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Post by baggins on Nov 26, 2018 11:46:00 GMT
I blame my 1st wife, she was a bitch! 2nd was a man.
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Post by Marshy on Nov 26, 2018 11:51:40 GMT
I blame my 1st wife, she was a bitch! 2nd was a man. Don’t knock it until you’ve tried it.
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Post by baggins on Nov 26, 2018 11:53:25 GMT
Don’t knock it until you’ve tried it. I'm not knocking on anything with more hair than me.
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Post by chewbacca on Nov 26, 2018 11:54:13 GMT
The fish rots from the head. The owners and the board collectively must take responsibility for the lack of direction and vision for the future which sadly has effected the budget and then the mojo of the management and playing squad. DC however identifies the players and picks the team so he also must share the responsibility for where we are in the league. It’s a bit like an aeroplane crash (thought it was apt given the landing lights were on) When it hits the floor that is normally the result of a collection of events in sequence often days prior, the crash is just the seen result and the pilots know they are gonna hit the floor. Right now we know we are going to be relegated, and we can see the sequence of events as to why, it’s just weather we can rectify them quickly, starting this week and in Jan. You are clearly not a fish keeper there is Tail rot, fin rot, cotton mouth and dropsy, never heard of head rot Mike Trout was a centreback, not a keeper.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 12:04:42 GMT
Nothing could be further than that comparison. To put it in layman’s terms, and from games I’ve seen this season, if we had put the ball in the net and defended better than a Sunday league side at times we would be well up the table. Even tho the football in the Maine has been poor it really has been a case of the above two points. Fine margins. Nonsense, we have the fourth best defensive record in the league. Before you come back with "Oh but Bonham has made loads of saves", he's a member of the defence. How many goals have we conceded from water poor , schoolboy defending which have cost us those games? On paper the defence may well be pretty good but that is no good when the winning goal comes from poor defending. Statistics mask a thousand faults. Not forgetting Bonham makes....,😉
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Post by Fetch on Nov 26, 2018 12:07:26 GMT
I think DC has to take some of the blame although with a little more luck we could be quite a few points above the relegation zone IMO. It has to only be a matter of time before hitting the bar/post results in a few goals? That said, it's hard to blame DC too much when you look at what's going on above him. SH's interview the other day was anything other than a confidence boost, and with all the broken promises DC hinted at in his interview he's got to be wondering why he stayed and thinking about leaving at the next opportunity. SH said the relationship with DC is great but how come SH is coming out and saying one thing and then DC is openly criticising those above him and nothing is ever done about it? Means there's something too it. After the Barnet defeat I said I wanted DC out which MidlandsGas loved. It wasn't because DC is a poor manager it's because DC has done so much for us that he deserves better than to sink with this mess of a club. I think the players we got ARE good enough but are mentally weak. A couple of back to back wins will set us on our way but it's just getting those wins. We go 1-0 down and it's like we've already lost. DC teams of old were always mentally strong and we could be 2-0 down going into the final 10 and I'd still be confident we'd get back into it. I believe WAQ had good intentions and still does have the right intentions, but unfortunately, the family doesn't feel the same. So I voted for the players. We have to work with what we got and they're not delivering. Agree with more or less all of this.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 26, 2018 12:08:04 GMT
Nonsense, we have the fourth best defensive record in the league. Before you come back with "Oh but Bonham has made loads of saves", he's a member of the defence. How many goals have we conceded from water poor , schoolboy defending which have cost us those games? On paper the defence may well be pretty good but that is no good when the winning goal comes from poor defending. Statistics mask a thousand faults. Not forgetting Bonham makes....,😉 Careful, you'll have LJG and GGMI all over this thread in a minute.
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