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Post by pirate on Jan 20, 2019 14:39:35 GMT
ATK, is an Indian football club based in Kolkata, West Bengal, that plays in Indian Super League, alongside Super Cup. It was established on 7 May 2014 as the first team in the Indian Super League, and plays its home games at the Salt Lake Stadium.Christ we dodged a bullet there! Assistant manager at an Indian club. Talk about over-hyped! Joining a club with an 85,000 seater stadium with owners worth well over US$1.90 billion.
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ATK, is an Indian football club based in Kolkata, West Bengal, that plays in Indian Super League, alongside Super Cup. It was established on 7 May 2014 as the first team in the Indian Super League, and plays its home games at the Salt Lake Stadium.Christ we dodged a bullet there! Assistant manager at an Indian club. Talk about over-hyped! Joining a club with an 85,000 seater stadium with owners worth well over US$1.90 billion. Stadium size does not equate to quality football though. As the vast majority of the squad appear to be players of Indian origin and Indian footballers are hardly sought after worldwide you do have to question quite how much his career will develop over there. Coppell isn't exactly an impressive name to be working under either. IIRC last I heard Phil Brown was managing over there
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Post by pirate on Jan 20, 2019 15:02:55 GMT
Joining a club with an 85,000 seater stadium with owners worth well over US$1.90 billion. Stadium size does not equate to quality football though. As the vast majority of the squad appear to be players of Indian origin and Indian footballers are hardly sought after worldwide you do have to question quite how much his career will develop over there. Coppell isn't exactly an impressive name to be working under either. IIRC last I heard Phil Brown was managing over there I think it is a questionable decision too, but I'd imagine he is being paid quite well for a few months work. He is replacing Wally Downes in the role who is now manager at Wimbledon.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 16:05:39 GMT
Stadium size does not equate to quality football though. As the vast majority of the squad appear to be players of Indian origin and Indian footballers are hardly sought after worldwide you do have to question quite how much his career will develop over there. Coppell isn't exactly an impressive name to be working under either. IIRC last I heard Phil Brown was managing over there I think it is a questionable decision too, but I'd imagine he is being paid quite well for a few months work. He is replacing Wally Downes in the role who is now manager at Wimbledon. I guess the argument then becomes finance over ambition...he could I'm sure have dropped to the conference and worked up from there but has chosen to take the money and effectively go into exile for a bit. Money is obviously hard to turn down but it lessens his right to complain about British guys with no experience being given a chance because he chose to go abroad to a league that offers little in technical terms instead of rolling his sleeves up and going in at a more grass roots level to gain his experience.
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 20, 2019 16:26:35 GMT
My brother sent me this article... www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/coach-linked-bristol-rovers-voices-2439191I can see both sides of the issue. He's right in the bigger picture. We're a f**ked up society relying on who you know, who you played for etc. But the reality with him seems to be that he has flitted between jobs and now is happy to run off abroad rather than stay here. As someone said on here, all these people who've worked with him say how good he is but did any of them offer him an asst mgr position?? Who knows? If not, why not? Does anyone even know if he actually applied to us? I reckon he'll probably do ok somewhere, but I also bet he'll be a nightmare somewhere. Sounds a bit 'entitled' & happy to go to the press. Why has he been singled out as this perfect specimen? Surely there must be loads like him out there - just need to find them . Sorry, I'm just being devil's advocate. IMO you can't complain about not entering higher up the food chain yet not been humble enough to have managed at non-lge level.
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 20, 2019 16:28:39 GMT
I think it is a questionable decision too, but I'd imagine he is being paid quite well for a few months work. He is replacing Wally Downes in the role who is now manager at Wimbledon. I guess the argument then becomes finance over ambition...he could I'm sure have dropped to the conference and worked up from there but has chosen to take the money and effectively go into exile for a bit. Money is obviously hard to turn down but it lessens his right to complain about British guys with no experience being given a chance because he chose to go abroad to a league that offers little in technical terms instead of rolling his sleeves up and going in at a more grass roots level to gain his experience. Brilliantly put.
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Post by pirate on Jan 20, 2019 16:32:27 GMT
I think it is a questionable decision too, but I'd imagine he is being paid quite well for a few months work. He is replacing Wally Downes in the role who is now manager at Wimbledon. I guess the argument then becomes finance over ambition...he could I'm sure have dropped to the conference and worked up from there but has chosen to take the money and effectively go into exile for a bit. Money is obviously hard to turn down but it lessens his right to complain about British guys with no experience being given a chance because he chose to go abroad to a league that offers little in technical terms instead of rolling his sleeves up and going in at a more grass roots level to gain his experience. I'm not sure grass roots would necessarily be a problem for him, he has played in non-league and managed non-league youth teams when he was younger and also scouted for players there, but with his C.V. I think he is more than good enough to get a role in the football league. Getting that opportunity is tough in this country though, especially if you don't have much of a playing career behind you, not that it should matter in terms of coaching/managing of course, but sadly it does to some chairman. Perhaps he should have waited and gone for the non-league route, but he still might do that in the future if no other opportunity arises. Good luck to him, but we've got our manager with Coughlan and I'm more interested in how he does now.
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Post by gasfishponds on Jan 20, 2019 16:35:57 GMT
Stadium size does not equate to quality football though. As the vast majority of the squad appear to be players of Indian origin and Indian footballers are hardly sought after worldwide you do have to question quite how much his career will develop over there. Coppell isn't exactly an impressive name to be working under either. IIRC last I heard Phil Brown was managing over there I think it is a questionable decision too, but I'd imagine he is being paid quite well for a few months work. He is replacing Wally Downes in the role who is now manager at Wimbledon. Yea I imagine it’s a very good bit of money until the summer which he can then return and look to getting a management post. To be fair if you’v been out of work for 6 months and you’ve got a family and someone is prepared to pay you crazy money your going to take it. He can still apply for jobs over here whilst he’s over there. You never know if it doesn’t work with GC and there looking for a replacement in the summer he might apply for the Rovers job but this time the board will interview applicants.
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Post by landrover on Jan 20, 2019 16:41:33 GMT
His twitter comments left me feeling sick. Name drops all the time and everything and everybody is wonderful and a pleasure. Nobody is that sugary surely? . As others have said, we’ve dodged a bullet.
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Post by gasfishponds on Jan 20, 2019 16:52:18 GMT
My brother sent me this article... www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/coach-linked-bristol-rovers-voices-2439191I can see both sides of the issue. He's right in the bigger picture. We're a f**ked up society relying on who you know, who you played for etc. But the reality with him seems to be that he has flitted between jobs and now is happy to run off abroad rather than stay here. As someone said on here, all these people who've worked with him say how good he is but did any of them offer him an asst mgr position?? Who knows? If not, why not? Does anyone even know if he actually applied to us? I reckon he'll probably do ok somewhere, but I also bet he'll be a nightmare somewhere. Sounds a bit 'entitled' & happy to go to the press. Why has he been singled out as this perfect specimen? Surely there must be loads like him out there - just need to find them . Sorry, I'm just being devil's advocate. IMO you can't complain about not entering higher up the food chain yet not been humble enough to have managed at non-lge level. As one of the only people on here that had met and worked with Ben I can say for sure he’s not “entitled”. Ben gave his time free of charge to help rovers fans with mental health difficulties by running a coaching session followed by a inspirational talk. Ben has been great for the nhs and community trust project and he really had a positive effect on the players wellbeing and motivation. Ben has helped the project behind the scenes a little by giving us some of his Contacts like other professional players Or coaches to run some of the sessions at the recovery through sport group which helps gas fans and Bristolians. I know it’s hard to put ourselfs in his shoes but try to imagine coaching in the premier league working with elite athletes to then being told the only way you’ll get a managers job is in the conference. also try to imagine the stress of being out of work for nearly a year whilst having to provide for a young family. Before people say he was on good wages in the prem I can’t imagine they were enough to live on for a year with a family. Bens visit to the project : Players experience:
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Post by pirate on Jan 20, 2019 17:02:15 GMT
My brother sent me this article... www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/coach-linked-bristol-rovers-voices-2439191I can see both sides of the issue. He's right in the bigger picture. We're a f**ked up society relying on who you know, who you played for etc. But the reality with him seems to be that he has flitted between jobs and now is happy to run off abroad rather than stay here. As someone said on here, all these people who've worked with him say how good he is but did any of them offer him an asst mgr position?? Who knows? If not, why not? Does anyone even know if he actually applied to us? I reckon he'll probably do ok somewhere, but I also bet he'll be a nightmare somewhere. Sounds a bit 'entitled' & happy to go to the press. Why has he been singled out as this perfect specimen? Surely there must be loads like him out there - just need to find them . Sorry, I'm just being devil's advocate. IMO you can't complain about not entering higher up the food chain yet not been humble enough to have managed at non-lge level. As one of the only people on here that had met and worked with Ben I can say for sure he’s not “entitled”. Ben gave his time free of charge to help rovers fans with mental health difficulties by running a coaching session followed by a inspirational talk. Ben has been great for the nhs and community trust project and he really had a positive effect on the players wellbeing and motivation. Ben has helped the project behind the scenes a little by giving us some of his Contacts like other professional players Or coaches to run some of the sessions at the recovery through sport group which helps gas fans and Bristolians. I know it’s hard to put ourselfs in his shoes but try to imagine coaching in the premier league working with elite athletes to then being told the only way you’ll get a managers job is in the conference. also try to imagine the stress of being out of work for nearly a year whilst having to provide for a young family. Before people say he was on good wages in the prem I can’t imagine they were enough to live on for a year with a family. Bens visit to the project : Players experience: Sounds like a good bloke and far from "entitled" to me. What a fantastic project too, well done to the club and the NHS. All credit to him for helping out free of charge and helping in some way to their wellbeing and motivation. Excellent stuff.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 20, 2019 17:04:51 GMT
ATK, is an Indian football club based in Kolkata, West Bengal, that plays in Indian Super League, alongside Super Cup. It was established on 7 May 2014 as the first team in the Indian Super League, and plays its home games at the Salt Lake Stadium.Christ we dodged a bullet there! Assistant manager at an Indian club. Talk about over-hyped! I think it is Garner who has dodged the bullet.
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Post by gasify on Jan 20, 2019 17:35:07 GMT
This last page and a half is hilarious. It really does show how fickle football fans are:
He goes to an Indian Team, he must be crap.
Then someone points out that their stadium had an 85k capacity and Billionaire owners:
He must be money grabber, boy did we dodge bullet here.
ATK's highest attendance is over 68,000!
I would certainly swap their Stadium and Owners with ours and I don't even think our owners have done much wrong!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 17:55:06 GMT
His twitter comments left me feeling sick. Name drops all the time and everything and everybody is wonderful and a pleasure. Nobody is that sugary surely? . As others have said, we’ve dodged a bullet. Sounds to me like the usual self-promotion that goes on on Twitter, advertising to everyone that you have worked with big names and are super-nice to deal with etc etc I would gently suggest the issue is being on twitter in the first place
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 18:02:33 GMT
If we "dodged that bullet" did we get hit by another bigger bullet in GC?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 18:06:30 GMT
This last page and a half is hilarious. It really does show how fickle football fans are: He goes to an Indian Team, he must be crap. Then someone points out that their stadium had an 85k capacity and Billionaire owners: He must be money grabber, boy did we dodge bullet here. ATK's highest attendance is over 68,000! I would certainly swap their Stadium and Owners with ours and I don't even think our owners have done much wrong! Who said he was crap?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 19:25:14 GMT
A professional football coach who has coached in the Premiership at Crystal Palace and West Bromwich Albion and is spoken highly by ex Rovers players who have worked with him, furthers his expertise and career in India and some supporters of this shambles of a club say we have dodged a bullet😂 He appears to be a top bloke by all accounts.
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Post by gasify on Jan 20, 2019 19:37:47 GMT
This last page and a half is hilarious. It really does show how fickle football fans are: He goes to an Indian Team, he must be crap. Then someone points out that their stadium had an 85k capacity and Billionaire owners: He must be money grabber, boy did we dodge bullet here. ATK's highest attendance is over 68,000! I would certainly swap their Stadium and Owners with ours and I don't even think our owners have done much wrong! Who said he was crap?Well, you're right in saying no one explicitly said he was crap. It may be my interpretation of the following comments: "ATK, is an Indian football club based in Kolkata, West Bengal, that plays in Indian Super League, alongside Super Cup. It was established on 7 May 2014 as the first team in the Indian Super League, and plays its home games at the Salt Lake Stadium. Christ we dodged a bullet there! Assistant manager at an Indian club. Talk about over-hyped!" and "Assistant to Steve Coppell no less. They must be thrilled at beating off competition from Bristol Rovers." I took the first one to suggest that he is crap and the second one I perceived to be sarcasm that was in agreement with the first comment. Let me be the first to apologise if that is not how they were mean't, it was how I read them though (which may be more telling about me that anyone else!).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 20:02:05 GMT
Well, you're right in saying no one explicitly said he was crap. It may be my interpretation of the following comments: "ATK, is an Indian football club based in Kolkata, West Bengal, that plays in Indian Super League, alongside Super Cup. It was established on 7 May 2014 as the first team in the Indian Super League, and plays its home games at the Salt Lake Stadium. Christ we dodged a bullet there! Assistant manager at an Indian club. Talk about over-hyped!" and "Assistant to Steve Coppell no less. They must be thrilled at beating off competition from Bristol Rovers." I took the first one to suggest that he is crap and the second one I perceived to be sarcasm that was in agreement with the first comment. Let me be the first to apologise if that is not how they were mean't, it was how I read them though (which may be more telling about me that anyone else!). I get that you were trying to exaggerate it for humourous purposes but I think that was a bit unfair in this instance because I don't think anyone is saying he is rubbish, roverdrive mentioned that he is perhaps overhyped- (which isn't exactly untrue at this point in time) but a long way from writing the guy off. My comment was more of a swipe at Rovers than at the man himself! I don't think anyone is being fickle either as I can't see anyone changing their mind so far! It seems like what you meant to say that is that this thread seems to encapsulate some wildly different views about him, which it does. I think people have mostly been respectful but have some scepticism about whether he has the potential pirate says he has. Hard to say imo at the moment, it is obviously attractive to have an 80k stadoum and there will be money involved but I don't think anyone will big up the standard in India. I keep forgetting that the end of the season is only months away so as a short term deal it probably makes a lot of sense and it isn't much to read into as he could be at an English club in 6 months. We will have to give it a few years and re-visit this thread and see where he has ended up....and obviously see who called it right
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Post by gasify on Jan 20, 2019 20:19:43 GMT
Well, you're right in saying no one explicitly said he was crap. It may be my interpretation of the following comments: "ATK, is an Indian football club based in Kolkata, West Bengal, that plays in Indian Super League, alongside Super Cup. It was established on 7 May 2014 as the first team in the Indian Super League, and plays its home games at the Salt Lake Stadium. Christ we dodged a bullet there! Assistant manager at an Indian club. Talk about over-hyped!" and "Assistant to Steve Coppell no less. They must be thrilled at beating off competition from Bristol Rovers." I took the first one to suggest that he is crap and the second one I perceived to be sarcasm that was in agreement with the first comment. Let me be the first to apologise if that is not how they were mean't, it was how I read them though (which may be more telling about me that anyone else!). I get that you were trying to exaggerate it for humourous purposes but I think that was a bit unfair in this instance because I don't think anyone is saying he is rubbish, roverdrive mentioned that he is perhaps overhyped- (which isn't exactly untrue at this point in time) but a long way from writing the guy off. My comment was more of a swipe at Rovers than at the man himself! I don't think anyone is being fickle either as I can't see anyone changing their mind so far! It seems like what you meant to say that is that this thread seems to encapsulate some wildly different views about him, which it does. I think people have mostly been respectful but have some scepticism about whether he has the potential pirate says he has. Hard to say imo at the moment, it is obviously attractive to have an 80k stadoum and there will be money involved but I don't think anyone will big up the standard in India. I keep forgetting that the end of the season is only months away so as a short term deal it probably makes a lot of sense and it isn't much to read into as he could be at an English club in 6 months. We will have to give it a few years and re-visit this thread and see where he has ended up....and obviously see who called it right gas365 I appreciate you taking the time to respond to this and you are absolutely right. There is some comedy in the idea that a club in India was reading the press and crossing their fingers that Bristol Rovers don't sign him as their manager. It's a little like the butterfly effect: If Bristol Rovers decide they don't want you as a manager then a team on the other side of the world will employ you as an assistant! However, I don't think there is anything in the "Dodged a bullet" comment other than being derrogotive towards his abilities.
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