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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 17:09:39 GMT
Even more in love with the gaffer as his first club was Bray wanderers! 💙 p.s my surname!
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 29, 2018 17:21:59 GMT
Having watched today's game I would say that the mananger's strategy consists of the goal keeper booting the ball up the wing and then a duel of heads. Once it comes to ground it relies on our forwards being able to turn and outpace which they did. And there wasn't much variation on that. Now I dont know much about football and whether this is a sufficient strategy, but it worked! Welcome to the forum DC, how are you enjoying your break from management?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 19:29:06 GMT
Having watched today's game I would say that the mananger's strategy consists of the goal keeper booting the ball up the wing and then a duel of heads. Once it comes to ground it relies on our forwards being able to turn and outpace which they did. And there wasn't much variation on that. Now I dont know much about football and whether this is a sufficient strategy, but it worked! Neil warnock got 8 promotions using the same strategy so dont worry its fine.
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Post by socrates on Dec 29, 2018 19:41:13 GMT
Having watched today's game I would say that the mananger's strategy consists of the goal keeper booting the ball up the wing and then a duel of heads. Once it comes to ground it relies on our forwards being able to turn and outpace which they did. And there wasn't much variation on that. Now I dont know much about football and whether this is a sufficient strategy, but it worked! That pretty much sums up the way we played today and it was very effective and we won. We probably played a third of the passes we’d been playing under DC this season but created some proper chances , hardly passed backwards or sideways and won again. I prefer direct football to Tika taka , especially at this level.
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Post by pucklegas on Dec 29, 2018 19:45:02 GMT
Great start and unlucky not to have got a draw at Sunderland cogs must have it until the end of the season.
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Post by gruad on Dec 29, 2018 20:39:40 GMT
Having watched today's game I would say that the mananger's strategy consists of the goal keeper booting the ball up the wing and then a duel of heads. Once it comes to ground it relies on our forwards being able to turn and outpace which they did. And there wasn't much variation on that. Now I dont know much about football and whether this is a sufficient strategy, but it worked! Welcome to the forum DC, how are you enjoying your break from management? Hahaha, Thanks, but not worthy. He was guy who got us back into the League at the first attempt when teams take an average of 7 years to get back up or just wither and die. If it was down to me he should have been given a chance with the rest of the season. He seems to have chosen a good bunch of players. But I dont understand football like I do other things. Let's hope the new manager can keep us up and he deserves a chance for the rest of the season too.
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Post by peterparker on Dec 29, 2018 20:49:44 GMT
Having watched today's game I would say that the mananger's strategy consists of the goal keeper booting the ball up the wing and then a duel of heads. Once it comes to ground it relies on our forwards being able to turn and outpace which they did. And there wasn't much variation on that. Now I dont know much about football and whether this is a sufficient strategy, but it worked! That pretty much sums up the way we played today and it was very effective and we won. We probably played a third of the passes we’d been playing under DC this season but created some proper chances , hardly passed backwards or sideways and won again. I prefer direct football to Tika taka , especially at this level. Its not like we didnt create chances this season under DC. Just we didnt take them.
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Post by markczgas on Dec 29, 2018 20:58:10 GMT
That pretty much sums up the way we played today and it was very effective and we won. We probably played a third of the passes we’d been playing under DC this season but created some proper chances , hardly passed backwards or sideways and won again. I prefer direct football to Tika taka , especially at this level. Its not like we didnt create chances this season under DC. Just we didnt take them. Football was woeful from the first game this season - created some chances but usually when already behind in games and creating chances for Nichols and Bennett only meant heartbreak for us supporters.
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Post by peterparker on Dec 29, 2018 21:03:37 GMT
Its not like we didnt create chances this season under DC. Just we didnt take them. Football was woeful from the first game this season - created some chances but usually when already behind in games and creating chances for Nichols and Bennett only meant heartbreak for us supporters. Arguable, but if not for a few inches we would easily be 9 pts better off. Not a defence of DC per se, but i saw us as far from abysmal
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Post by socrates on Dec 29, 2018 21:05:59 GMT
That pretty much sums up the way we played today and it was very effective and we won. We probably played a third of the passes we’d been playing under DC this season but created some proper chances , hardly passed backwards or sideways and won again. I prefer direct football to Tika taka , especially at this level. Its not like we didnt create chances this season under DC. Just we didnt take them. They were half chances that’s why. By the time we had one of those half chances the opposition had everyone back behind the ball because we had no tempo or urgency. How many times did one of our forwards win a 50/50 with the opposition centre half with nobody but the keeper to beat because we moved it quickly and then get one on one with the keeper this season. That’s was our second goal today. Our First goal it was three or four passs using some width and pace , our wide men pulled their defence wide, stretched the play which gave Alex space through the middle. It’s not about creating loads of half chances , you only need to create two or three that are great chances to win a game , we’ll only one if you keep a clean sheet. It’s football in its most simple form at the moment , completely and utterly back to basics.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 21:16:59 GMT
At the moment it's possibly a case of needs must, but I'd like to see us develop and play a bit of football more pleasing on the eye in time.
The better sides in the division are usually able to play a bit, albeit can mix it when they need to as well.
Still, as far as the survival bid is going, so far so good. Very brave (or possibly foolhardy) to give it to anyone but Coughlan now, until the end of the season that is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 21:23:21 GMT
At the moment it's possibly a case of needs must, but I'd like to see us develop and play a bit of football more pleasing on the eye in time. The better sides in the division are usually able to play a bit, albeit can mix it when they need to as well. Still, as far as the survival bid is going, so far so good. Very brave (or possibly foolhardy) to give it to anyone but Coughlan now, until the end of the season that is. I seen more football v fleetwood than I’d seen in the previous ten games under the last gaffer whatever his name was! Lol! 😂
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Post by althepirate on Dec 29, 2018 21:39:56 GMT
Its not like we didnt create chances this season under DC. Just we didnt take them. They were half chances that’s why. By the time we had one of those half chances the opposition had everyone back behind the ball because we had no tempo or urgency. How many times did one of our forwards win a 50/50 with the opposition centre half with nobody but the keeper to beat because we moved it quickly and then get one on one with the keeper this season. That’s was our second goal today. Our First goal it was three or four passs using some width and pace , our wide men pulled their defence wide, stretched the play which gave Alex space through the middle. It’s not about creating loads of half chances , you only need to create two or three that are great chances to win a game , we’ll only one if you keep a clean sheet. It’s football in its most simple form at the moment , completely and utterly back to basics. Yes I think our football under GC could aptly be described as 'battling'. Old fashioned with a bustling centre forward, width and consistent team selection even over a holiday period. I know when a team is performing badly many fans blame the players for not trying. Well it looks like they have been poorly managed especially with endless changes and new fangled ideology that didn't work. The reason imo why we are creating more and better chances is because we get forward quicker and the reason for that is the players know where their team mates are because we play the same team. Very often today they didn't have to look up before they passed it so the moves forward were much faster and affective and it also puts less pressure on the defence who were often passing it amongst themselves under DC giving the opposition time to regroup and get behind the ball. Jak has been immense by holding the ball up, running with it and pressing defenders. GC has instilled confidence in the side by having a settled side. I think DC may have been trying too hard and running it like a top prem side rather than BRFC. Getting back to basic football has been hugely refreshing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 21:44:45 GMT
They were half chances that’s why. By the time we had one of those half chances the opposition had everyone back behind the ball because we had no tempo or urgency. How many times did one of our forwards win a 50/50 with the opposition centre half with nobody but the keeper to beat because we moved it quickly and then get one on one with the keeper this season. That’s was our second goal today. Our First goal it was three or four passs using some width and pace , our wide men pulled their defence wide, stretched the play which gave Alex space through the middle. It’s not about creating loads of half chances , you only need to create two or three that are great chances to win a game , we’ll only one if you keep a clean sheet. It’s football in its most simple form at the moment , completely and utterly back to basics. Yes I think our football under GC could aptly be described as 'battling'. Old fashioned with a bustling centre forward, width and consistent team selection even over a holiday period. I know when a team is performing badly many fans blame the players for not trying. Well it looks like they have been poorly managed especially with endless changes and new fangled ideology that didn't work. The reason imo why we are creating more and better chances is because we get forward quicker and the reason for that is the players know where their team mates are because we play the same team. Very often today they didn't have to look up before they passed it so the moves forward were much faster and affective and it also puts less pressure on the defence who were often passing it amongst themselves under DC giving the opposition time to regroup and get behind the ball. Jak has been immense by holding the ball up, running with it and pressing defenders. GC has instilled confidence in the side by having a settled side. I think DC may have been trying too hard and running it like a top prem side rather than BRFC. Getting back to basic football has been hugely refreshing. exactly I’m a lower league English football fan and when I fell in love with the gas at Twerton - it was the battles that drew me in and got me behind the boys not all this tippy happy softly does it tactical bollox! It’s almost nostalgic! Reminds me of proper football! The game I want to pay to watch!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 23:04:43 GMT
Yes I think our football under GC could aptly be described as 'battling'. Old fashioned with a bustling centre forward, width and consistent team selection even over a holiday period. I know when a team is performing badly many fans blame the players for not trying. Well it looks like they have been poorly managed especially with endless changes and new fangled ideology that didn't work. The reason imo why we are creating more and better chances is because we get forward quicker and the reason for that is the players know where their team mates are because we play the same team. Very often today they didn't have to look up before they passed it so the moves forward were much faster and affective and it also puts less pressure on the defence who were often passing it amongst themselves under DC giving the opposition time to regroup and get behind the ball. Jak has been immense by holding the ball up, running with it and pressing defenders. GC has instilled confidence in the side by having a settled side. I think DC may have been trying too hard and running it like a top prem side rather than BRFC. Getting back to basic football has been hugely refreshing. exactly I’m a lower league English football fan and when I fell in love with the gas at Twerton - it was the battles that drew me in and got me behind the boys not all this tippy happy softly does it tactical bollox! It’s almost nostalgic! Reminds me of proper football! The game I want to pay to watch! I get that and as I say, it's absolutely right for where we are at this moment in time. I guess my point though is that longer term, there's a limit to how far it can take us.
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Post by socrates on Dec 29, 2018 23:33:39 GMT
exactly I’m a lower league English football fan and when I fell in love with the gas at Twerton - it was the battles that drew me in and got me behind the boys not all this tippy happy softly does it tactical bollox! It’s almost nostalgic! Reminds me of proper football! The game I want to pay to watch! I get that and as I say, it's absolutely right for where we are at this moment in time. I guess my point though is that longer term, there's a limit to how far it can take us. I think that style of play can win you promotion all the way to the Premier league and even keep you there if you’ve got the players to do it. Warnocks been winning promotions for years playing a very similar style to us recently. I think in football it’s most important to play to your strengths and we at last seem to be doing it. If you’ve got the best ball players in the division you’d be mad to go with a direct approach because you wouldn’t be utilising them right but I think we’ve got it spot on over Christmas. Long way to go yet though.
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Post by midlandgas213 on Dec 29, 2018 23:39:16 GMT
At the end of the day it’s the same squad just a different man at the helm as I’ve being saying fair ages dc was well out of his depth in this league and with all of his coaching qualifications he thought he was a prem manager at this level you need basic football and grind out results something GC has shown he can do GC has got the players playing in their own positions , keeping the same starting eleven which I have advocated for ages and is getting the best out of players Ok dc had signed most of them but could not manage them
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 23:40:29 GMT
I get that and as I say, it's absolutely right for where we are at this moment in time. I guess my point though is that longer term, there's a limit to how far it can take us. I think that style of play can win you promotion all the way to the Premier league and even keep you there if you’ve got the players to do it. Warnocks been winning promotions for years playing a very similar style to us recently. I think in football it’s most important to play to your strengths and we at last seem to be doing it. If you’ve got the best ball players in the division you’d be mad to go with a direct approach because you wouldn’t be utilising them right but I think we’ve got it spot on over Christmas. Long way to go yet though. I would say that Warnock is the exception though. Yes, it can be done but generally the better teams have better players who by definition play better football. There's far more pass and move football now than there was when we last got promoted out of this league too. But yes, spot on over Christmas and the results have proved this. Just need to double our points tally now!
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Post by althepirate on Dec 29, 2018 23:41:26 GMT
I get that and as I say, it's absolutely right for where we are at this moment in time. I guess my point though is that longer term, there's a limit to how far it can take us. I think that style of play can win you promotion all the way to the Premier league and even keep you there if you’ve got the players to do it. Warnocks been winning promotions for years playing a very similar style to us recently. I think in football it’s most important to play to your strengths and we at last seem to be doing it. If you’ve got the best ball players in the division you’d be mad to go with a direct approach because you wouldn’t be utilising them right but I think we’ve got it spot on over Christmas. Long way to go yet though. Gerry got us in the Championship at Twerton playing the long ball up to Devon White. You have to have a lot of good players and money to play it on the floor. Wenger was good but didn't win a great deal considering the size of the club.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 23:45:46 GMT
I think that style of play can win you promotion all the way to the Premier league and even keep you there if you’ve got the players to do it. Warnocks been winning promotions for years playing a very similar style to us recently. I think in football it’s most important to play to your strengths and we at last seem to be doing it. If you’ve got the best ball players in the division you’d be mad to go with a direct approach because you wouldn’t be utilising them right but I think we’ve got it spot on over Christmas. Long way to go yet though. Gerry got us in the Championship at Twerton playing the long ball up to Devon White. You have to have a lot of good players and money to play it on the floor. Wenger was good but didn't win a great deal considering the size of the club. Gerry was nearly 30 years ago though. The football in League 2 and possibly even the top end of the Conference is probably a better standard than League 1 was in those days. Don't get me wrong. I love the blood and thunder and commitment and completely agree we need a side that rolls its sleeves up for the rest of the season. I just have doubts about that as a long term strategy and would prefer we created an identity as a footballing side over time.
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