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Post by William Wilson on Jan 16, 2019 10:31:44 GMT
Agreed. When I saw the thread, I thought I`d woken up on April 1st. It is April 1st you fool. Maybe you've been abducted by aliens? Hope so. Then I won`t have to go into work tomorrow.
Edit: The anal probe`s a bit of a bugger though.
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Post by wertongas on Jan 16, 2019 11:11:55 GMT
What I don't get is why we never say no. We always seem to sell to the first bidder at a knocked down price. Why can we hold out for an auction like other clubs do. Exeter / Peterborough for example always seem to hold off until they get the price they want or just refuse to sell. When we sell it always affects the team - the snakes loss meant we took the goals out the team which prevented us making the playoffs - Bodins sale meant we loss the creativity in the final third, all never to be immediately replaced to our detriment as we lose momentum. It is because our owners are tight fisted money grabbers who can't wait to get their hands on the money, rather than try to keep our best players by offering them good contracts, put money into the club and move it forward.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 16, 2019 11:44:36 GMT
What I don't get is why we never say no. We always seem to sell to the first bidder at a knocked down price. Why can we hold out for an auction like other clubs do. Exeter / Peterborough for example always seem to hold off until they get the price they want or just refuse to sell. When we sell it always affects the team - the snakes loss meant we took the goals out the team which prevented us making the playoffs - Bodins sale meant we loss the creativity in the final third, all never to be immediately replaced to our detriment as we lose momentum. It is because our owners are tight fisted money grabbers who can't wait to get their hands on the money, rather than try to keep our best players by offering them good contracts, put money into the club and move it forward. Surely a "money grabber" is somebody who takes money out of a club etc not somebody who has to fund one to the tune of £1m/£2m every season in order to keep us a float. It's irritating that they won't invest more on a stadium etc but to accuse them of siphoning off transfer funds is nonsense.
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Post by gasify on Jan 16, 2019 11:52:04 GMT
Oldgas, I think you are being unduly harse here and taking the opportunity to board bash when it's a little unfair. The facts seem to be that Kelly has 6 months left on his contract. If he was seen as a true member of the first team squad then DC should have offered him a 2 yr deal back in October. Now he will be out of contract in the summer, what do you do? Sell him for £100k or let him go for nothing at the end of the season? If I was Kelly, I would want to go to West Ham. They are recognised as having one of the best Academy's in the UK where players do get the option to get game time in the first team (e.g 19yr old Rice).We are back to the age old question of how much do we gamble as a club. Should we be offering 3 yr contracts as standard? Should we have a better pathway to the first team? It's not about the board. Sorry but West Ham have no better and no worse an academy than any other rich Prem club . Rice is the only one to make it for many years. They recently sold Quina for a million to Watford because he couldn't get any games for Wham. Another of their talents, Martinez, has gone on a season-long loan to Spain cos he couldn't kick a ball for their first team. These 3 played against us 2 or 3 seasons ago in the Checkatrade. Reece Oxford was another touted for the big time - not sure what he's doing now but he certainly isn't playing for first team. That's not really the point here. I have a perception that West Ham have a good Academy (Maybe it's propaganda from West Ham mates. Remember West Ham won the World Cup in 66!). Maybe it has gone down hill, maybe it's just as good or bad as the other Prem club's. The point is, if you were a young footballer with 6 months left on your contract. Would you go to a Prem academy? I think it would be a difficult choice.
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Post by wertongas on Jan 16, 2019 11:54:12 GMT
It is because our owners are tight fisted money grabbers who can't wait to get their hands on the money, rather than try to keep our best players by offering them good contracts, put money into the club and move it forward. Surely a "money grabber" is somebody who takes money out of a club etc not somebody who has to fund one to the tune of £1m/£2m every season in order to keep us a float. It's irritating that they won't invest more on a stadium etc but to accuse them of siphoning off transfer funds is nonsense. I didn't say they were taking any money out of the club, but they seem to sale players at the drop of a hat rather offer our best players big contracts to try and keep them at the club. like a lot of us I thought when this lot took over we would not have to keep selling our best players to survive. The top clubs in this division trying to get into the Championship do their upmost to keep their best players. Although not billionaires our owners are wealthy, if I had as much money as them I would put back what I needed for the family and put the rest in the club, but there again I am a true blue fan.
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Post by jaydan on Jan 16, 2019 12:07:01 GMT
Michael Kelly is a promising young player, but he has only played a few first team games and has not been outstanding. If the story of interest from premier league clubs is true then it is symptomatic of the vast differences in wealth between the higher divisions and the lower ones. He might well become yet another example of a player moving up the divisions for more money (who could blame him) and not getting any first team games. Yet another case study of how the wealth gap is unhealthy for professional football.
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Post by philbemmygas on Jan 16, 2019 12:07:34 GMT
Surely a "money grabber" is somebody who takes money out of a club etc not somebody who has to fund one to the tune of £1m/£2m every season in order to keep us a float. It's irritating that they won't invest more on a stadium etc but to accuse them of siphoning off transfer funds is nonsense. I didn't say they were taking any money out of the club, but they seem to sale players at the drop of a hat rather offer our best players big contracts to try and keep them at the club. like a lot of us I thought when this lot took over we would not have to keep selling our best players to survive. The top clubs in this division trying to get into the Championship do their upmost to keep their best players. Although not billionaires our owners are wealthy, if I had as much money as them I would put back what I needed for the family and put the rest in the club, but there again I am a true blue fan. The shorter length contracts were borne I believe out of Darrell Clarkes strategy of keeping players hungry' obviously the Board were part of this; however to accuse them of short termism is a somewhat blinkered opinion. Anyway - lets support GC and the team this Saturday - UTG
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Post by LJG on Jan 16, 2019 12:13:46 GMT
Surely a "money grabber" is somebody who takes money out of a club etc not somebody who has to fund one to the tune of £1m/£2m every season in order to keep us a float. It's irritating that they won't invest more on a stadium etc but to accuse them of siphoning off transfer funds is nonsense. I didn't say they were taking any money out of the club, but they seem to sale players at the drop of a hat rather offer our best players big contracts to try and keep them at the club. like a lot of us I thought when this lot took over we would not have to keep selling our best players to survive. The top clubs in this division trying to get into the Championship do their upmost to keep their best players. Although not billionaires our owners are wealthy, if I had as much money as them I would put back what I needed for the family and put the rest in the club, but there again I am a true blue fan. So how are they "tight fisted money grabbers"?
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Post by james246 on Jan 16, 2019 14:32:01 GMT
Spoke briefly with the player this morning who said it was all "news" to him. He doubted that the Man City manager even knew his name.
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Post by james246 on Jan 16, 2019 14:33:59 GMT
Sorry meant West Ham manager
"Spoke briefly with the player this morning who said it was all "news" to him. He doubted that the Man City manager even knew his name".
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Post by pucklegas on Jan 16, 2019 14:37:33 GMT
Sorry meant West Ham manager "Spoke briefly with the player this morning who said it was all "news" to him. He doubted that the Man City manager even knew his name". Gutted thought we could get the UWE with the 45 million for Michael Kelly who is better than Paulo Maldini
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Post by pirate on Jan 16, 2019 14:50:10 GMT
Spoke briefly with the player this morning who said it was all "news" to him. He doubted that the Man City manager even knew his name. Pellegrini might not know his name, but u23 manager Steve Potts and their scouts will be aware of him from his time at Leicester and playing against them this season. They will also have their own budget to bring players in, seperate from the 1st team.
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Post by james246 on Jan 16, 2019 15:03:16 GMT
I think the interest from West Ham Palace amd Millwal is genuinr but from his reaction I suspect there has been no formal discussion inside our club with him
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Post by Parrot on Jan 16, 2019 15:08:03 GMT
Probably just Agent talk
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Post by pirate on Jan 16, 2019 15:10:56 GMT
Probably just Agent talk Also a possibility.
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Post by spiess1 on Jan 16, 2019 15:13:11 GMT
The wrong Bristol Kelly.
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Post by oldgas on Jan 16, 2019 15:16:02 GMT
Didn’t you come from a tree (plank) only kidding HG are you old enough to remember the advert... and yes i'm like an old oak tree with dutch elm disease which should have been chopped down years ago I may appear a pedant, but how can an Oak tree suffer from Dutch Elm disease? Also,did said disease only infect Elm trees from the Netherlands, or did the disease originate there? My head hurts!
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Post by kruger on Jan 16, 2019 15:22:28 GMT
I said this way back in the thread
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 15:41:44 GMT
I said this way back in the thread Suggest you re read the op and attached news story. All the facts stated are of Kelly of BRFC. No mention of anything related to LLoyd Kelly of BCFC.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 16, 2019 17:25:51 GMT
Suggest you read "James243" posts No 112/113 earlier in the thread as even Michael Kelly knows nothing about the rumours. It seems the story is as some of us thought all a bit far fetched.
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