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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 30, 2019 8:47:55 GMT
If you weren't there and you're having a meltdown then frankly your opinion is worth squat. We played very well tonight against a good team. We've proven we can compete with teams in the top end of the table and have a decent go. In twelve months time we could be in a very different place and by that I do not mean League Two. Play like that until the end of the season and we will be fine. We're on an upwards trajectory. A trajectory is just that, there are blips along the way. Burton and Wycombe were two of them but Graham has us playing better week by week. We should be encouraged by the performance tonight. A big shout out for the 12th man tonight who had Tomlin in their pocket! Going to disagree with a few points on this post: I watched on iFollow, I had a better view than most of the crowd on the game and the incidents. (Albeit I'm not having a meltdown) That doesn't mean an opinion is worth squat, that is quite disrespectful. (An example: I said immediately if you look back that the P'boro goal was onside. Everyone at the ground, including the media, said it was 100% offside. So who's opinion is worth squat now???) We did play well tonight, that's true. However, I don't see how we've proven we can compete with teams in the top end of the table: P'boro: 1 point (2 games) Luton: 0 points Pompey: 0 points Barnsley: 0 points Sunderland: 0 points Charlton: 0 points Doncaster: 0 points That's 1 point from the current top 7. I'm all for being optimistic, but let's be realistic here. Yes, if we do play like that for the rest of the season we'll be fine, but we won't let's be honest. Let's instead look at the 29 games because unless something changed, the season didn't start last night. RE: Upwards trajectory, I tend to disagree - 3/12 points doesn't sound like we're on an upwards trajectory. Burton & Wycombe were terrible games. Accy was ok. Last night was good. Anyway, I'll stand to be corrected on the trajectory with hopefully a nice 3 points at Southend Agree with what your saying ( I know it feels strange ) but how many of those games under GC ? I feel if we can play to that standard against other teams we will do a lot better BTW did you watch on ifollow using a VPN and which one if you did ? |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 30, 2019 9:07:03 GMT
Going to disagree with a few points on this post: I watched on iFollow, I had a better view than most of the crowd on the game and the incidents. (Albeit I'm not having a meltdown) That doesn't mean an opinion is worth squat, that is quite disrespectful. (An example: I said immediately if you look back that the P'boro goal was onside. Everyone at the ground, including the media, said it was 100% offside. So who's opinion is worth squat now???) We did play well tonight, that's true. However, I don't see how we've proven we can compete with teams in the top end of the table: P'boro: 1 point (2 games) Luton: 0 points Pompey: 0 points Barnsley: 0 points Sunderland: 0 points Charlton: 0 points Doncaster: 0 points That's 1 point from the current top 7. I'm all for being optimistic, but let's be realistic here. Yes, if we do play like that for the rest of the season we'll be fine, but we won't let's be honest. Let's instead look at the 29 games because unless something changed, the season didn't start last night. RE: Upwards trajectory, I tend to disagree - 3/12 points doesn't sound like we're on an upwards trajectory. Burton & Wycombe were terrible games. Accy was ok. Last night was good. Anyway, I'll stand to be corrected on the trajectory with hopefully a nice 3 points at Southend Agree with what your saying ( I know it feels strange ) but how many of those games under GC ? I feel if we can play to that standard against other teams we will do a lot better BTW did you watch on ifollow using a VPN and which one if you did ? Haha - I thought that may come up. I'm fully in the mixed feelings camp regarding GC. We can't deny overall there has been an improvement (but was that the new manager effect?) in performances. However, recently the points have dried up as well - the jury is still out for me. RE: VPN - I live abroad. When I came back & couldn't make games I used NordVPN but not sure if it still works? |
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Post by William Wilson on Jan 30, 2019 9:41:46 GMT
Nobody has mention how good Nichols was thought he had a fantastic game. Get a striker up top with him and think could have a good partnership. He was outstanding. Made the penalty with a great run, then put it away confidently, and his persistence set up the second goal. Thought Reilly did well too. Never stopped running, and gave their defence plenty to think about.
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 30, 2019 9:50:55 GMT
The tactical change for the last substitution cost us, no one knew where they were playing, it was chaos. We'd been let off about 2 minutes before the goal with an effort from range. I'm still absolutely fuming with that substitution. Proper Championship Manager levels of shut up shop.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 30, 2019 10:22:09 GMT
Just looked at the goals. I would say THD just about played Toney onside for their first goal. Blaming OC for their second is very harsh. Was in a good shape shuffling across and got to him quick, their bloke got a quick touch and shot off. I would more look at Lines allowing Dembele 10 Yards to turn and run at us. But now we’re really looking for problems that aren’t there, was a great hit. You can’t blame OC. What you can blame is being sat so deep. And it isn’t the first time. And the reason why we sit so deep is because a) we are a bunch of short arses b) Craig is slow and needs the extra yards c) that creates a massive gap to your midfield I mentioned it around page 7 during the match and have mentioned it before on other threads. But apparently I’m singling our Craig. But very few opposition defences in our league have our problems. So perhaps we need a proper tall, strong, mid 20’s CB that can help us push out forward, take the pressure off the midfielders to track back and close the gap which caused the goal last night. I’m not a manager, but from where I sit, it’s pretty obvious to me. |
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Post by socrates on Jan 30, 2019 10:22:47 GMT
The tactical change for the last substitution cost us, no one knew where they were playing, it was chaos. We'd been let off about 2 minutes before the goal with an effort from range. I'm still absolutely fuming with that substitution. Proper Championship Manager levels of shut up shop. Yeah it looked like 5-3-2 at the end to me. We couldn’t hit the wings to escape, no one there and hitting it down the middle it came back at us. If we had to make the Nichols sub I would have preferred just keep the 4-4-2 and put Mathews up front than go 5-3-2 wingbacks like we did , it upset our shape too much and like you said nobody knew what they were doing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 10:22:52 GMT
Nobody has mention how good Nichols was thought he had a fantastic game. Get a striker up top with him and think could have a good partnership. Agree totally ... very pleased for him and best game I have seen him have in the Quarters. There is a player in there somewhere maybe not a prolific scorer but certainly someone who can create chances. |
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Post by markczgas on Jan 30, 2019 11:31:42 GMT
The tactical change for the last substitution cost us, no one knew where they were playing, it was chaos. We'd been let off about 2 minutes before the goal with an effort from range. I'm still absolutely fuming with that substitution. Proper Championship Manager levels of shut up shop. Yeah it looked like 5-3-2 at the end to me. We couldn’t hit the wings to escape, no one there and hitting it down the middle it came back at us. If we had to make the Nichols sub I would have preferred just keep the 4-4-2 and put Mathews up front than go 5-3-2 wingbacks like we did , it upset our shape too much and like you said nobody knew what they were doing. No, it was 4 -4 -1 -1. J.Clarke went to LB and HD went to left midfield. Sercombe dropped behind the Jak. No-one to blame -sometimes you have to praise the opposition - probably the goal of the season at The Mem. The main thing is the players' levels were very good, they are playing for each other and the manager. We also took the game to the Posh (not seen in the 1st half of the season AT ALL ) and they struggled big time against us. As Parts and the manager said - we didn't quite maintain it 2nd half - sloppy passing, but we also had a few good spells in the 2nd half - shots and crosses. Unlucky not to get the 3pts -we looked a good side last night, onto Southend ! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 11:39:00 GMT
Just looked at the goals. I would say THD just about played Toney onside for their first goal. Blaming OC for their second is very harsh. Was in a good shape shuffling across and got to him quick, their bloke got a quick touch and shot off. I would more look at Lines allowing Dembele 10 Yards to turn and run at us. But now we’re really looking for problems that aren’t there, was a great hit. You can’t blame OC. What you can blame is being sat so deep. And it isn’t the first time. And the reason why we sit so deep is because a) we are a bunch of short arses b) Craig is slow and needs the extra yards c) that creates a massive gap to your midfield I mentioned it around page 7 during the match and have mentioned it before on other threads. But apparently I’m singling our Craig. But very few opposition defences in our league have our problems. So perhaps we need a proper tall, strong, mid 20’s CB that can help us push out forward, take the pressure off the midfielders to track back and close the gap which caused the goal last night. I’m not a manager, but from where I sit, it’s pretty obvious to me. They got caught offside numerous times,especially in the 2nd half,no way would that be possible if we were sat too deep. The blame craig for everything line you take is laughable. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 11:42:50 GMT
The tactical change for the last substitution cost us, no one knew where they were playing, it was chaos. We'd been let off about 2 minutes before the goal with an effort from range. I'm still absolutely fuming with that substitution. Proper Championship Manager levels of shut up shop. Pure hindsight imo. Peterborough were pushing players forward and the manager simply brought an extra midfield player on to try and combat that. Its only a possible mistake in hindsight. |
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Post by peterparker on Jan 30, 2019 11:46:01 GMT
You can’t blame OC. What you can blame is being sat so deep. And it isn’t the first time. And the reason why we sit so deep is because a) we are a bunch of short arses b) Craig is slow and needs the extra yards c) that creates a massive gap to your midfield I mentioned it around page 7 during the match and have mentioned it before on other threads. But apparently I’m singling our Craig. But very few opposition defences in our league have our problems. So perhaps we need a proper tall, strong, mid 20’s CB that can help us push out forward, take the pressure off the midfielders to track back and close the gap which caused the goal last night. I’m not a manager, but from where I sit, it’s pretty obvious to me. They got caught offside numerous times,especially in the 2nd half,no way would that be possible if we were sat too deep. The blame craig for everything line you take is laughable. not in the last 10 minutes though |
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Post by peterparker on Jan 30, 2019 11:48:03 GMT
The tactical change for the last substitution cost us, no one knew where they were playing, it was chaos. We'd been let off about 2 minutes before the goal with an effort from range. I'm still absolutely fuming with that substitution. Proper Championship Manager levels of shut up shop. Pure hindsight imo. Peterborough were pushing players forward and the manager simply brought an extra midfield player on to try and combat that. Its only a possible mistake in hindsight. yes and no. We had two strikers occupying their defenders. we took one off, that in turn gives them time and space to create.
it's a balancing act for sure, but the sub just ruined our game plan that was working and that's what is most annoying about the result
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 11:52:19 GMT
Pure hindsight imo. Peterborough were pushing players forward and the manager simply brought an extra midfield player on to try and combat that. Its only a possible mistake in hindsight. yes and no. We had two strikers occupying their defenders. we took one off, that in turn gives them time and space to create.
it's a balancing act for sure, but the sub just ruined our game plan that was working and that's what is most annoying about the result
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 30, 2019 11:54:11 GMT
The tactical change for the last substitution cost us, no one knew where they were playing, it was chaos. We'd been let off about 2 minutes before the goal with an effort from range. I'm still absolutely fuming with that substitution. Proper Championship Manager levels of shut up shop. Pure hindsight imo. Peterborough were pushing players forward and the manager simply brought an extra midfield player on to try and combat that. Its only a possible mistake in hindsight. Odd, that I called it at the time then. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 11:59:52 GMT
They got caught offside numerous times,especially in the 2nd half,no way would that be possible if we were sat too deep. The blame craig for everything line you take is laughable. not in the last 10 minutes though You can only push up from the back towards the half way line when your team have good possession or the ball is in is empty spaces in your opponents half. You cannot push high when the other team have good possession like peterborough did late on or you will get caught square and get picked off. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 12:02:19 GMT
Pure hindsight imo. Peterborough were pushing players forward and the manager simply brought an extra midfield player on to try and combat that. Its only a possible mistake in hindsight. Odd, that I called it at the time then. Well thats fine but in no way is it an unusual tactic to bring an extra midfield player on when your under pressure especially when your only other available striker is stefan payne! |
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 30, 2019 12:05:44 GMT
Odd, that I called it at the time then. Well thats fine but in no way is it an unusual tactic to bring an extra midfield player on when your under pressure especially when your only other available striker is stefan payne! Oh, I agree with that. However we moved the left back forward, flooded the centre of midfield, had a right footed player playing left back and ended up with the goal coming from a player that wasn't picked up from midfield. Personally I'd have brought on Clarke for Lines and had the Clarke Brothers acting as a screen in front of the defence. The goal came from the pocket in between defence and midfield, we had a warning 2 minutes before and it wasn't heeded. Ah well. |
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jan 30, 2019 12:20:06 GMT
1st goal looks onside to me, as it did last night.
Shame Rodman took the shot on rather than just squaring it to Nichols or driving it in low across the 6 yard box.
The equaliser could have been avoided but I doubt he'll ever score one like that again. Just the kind of luck you get when you're down at the bottom.
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Post by Thatslife on Jan 30, 2019 22:37:18 GMT
Going to disagree with a few points on this post: I watched on iFollow, I had a better view than most of the crowd on the game and the incidents. (Albeit I'm not having a meltdown) That doesn't mean an opinion is worth squat, that is quite disrespectful. (An example: I said immediately if you look back that the P'boro goal was onside. Everyone at the ground, including the media, said it was 100% offside. So who's opinion is worth squat now???) We did play well tonight, that's true. However, I don't see how we've proven we can compete with teams in the top end of the table: P'boro: 1 point (2 games) Luton: 0 points Pompey: 0 points Barnsley: 0 points Sunderland: 0 points Charlton: 0 points Doncaster: 0 points That's 1 point from the current top 7. I'm all for being optimistic, but let's be realistic here. Yes, if we do play like that for the rest of the season we'll be fine, but we won't let's be honest. Let's instead look at the 29 games because unless something changed, the season didn't start last night. RE: Upwards trajectory, I tend to disagree - 3/12 points doesn't sound like we're on an upwards trajectory. Burton & Wycombe were terrible games. Accy was ok. Last night was good. Anyway, I'll stand to be corrected on the trajectory with hopefully a nice 3 points at Southend Agree with what your saying ( I know it feels strange ) but how many of those games under GC ? I feel if we can play to that standard against other teams we will do a lot better BTW did you watch on ifollow using a VPN and which one if you did ? Think he must be out of the country because we know that at the moment VPNs wont work |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 0:26:48 GMT
See they have selectively edited the post match interview again! Tut tut! Leaves out the bit about sending them home from training on the Monday and about signings,
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