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Post by twertonboy on Mar 4, 2019 21:10:08 GMT
Interesting to see how data is everything now... What puzzles me is we have our own data analysis who checks all new signings data I take it and we pay £200,000 for Payne?
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Post by axegas on Mar 4, 2019 21:13:41 GMT
Interesting to see how data is everything now... What puzzles me is we have our own data analysis who checks all new signings data I take it and we pay £200,000 for Payne?
Top scorer in a team that reached the playoff finals, just saying. Sometimes the stats do lie and you've got to get out to see the player in action to get a more accurate picture of the player you want to buy, so blame the scout in that scenario.
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Post by Icegas on Mar 4, 2019 21:24:23 GMT
Its complete bollox.
Football is a very simple game.
Its 11 vs 11. Get the best players you can effort that have enough talent for your clubs level in there respective positions and get them as fit as possible.Play a simple old fashioned formation like 4-4-2 and have the game plan to try to win a game of football.
All this football manager crap and Sky/BT and BBC over analysing of the beautiful game is a head f**k and has over complicated things due to the money thats in the game today.
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Post by barumgas on Mar 4, 2019 21:42:13 GMT
I cant imagine GC being inspired to take any of this onboard
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Post by gasify on Mar 4, 2019 21:47:29 GMT
That was quite interesting, I don't think I ever thought this was happening in football.
This is bridging the gap between Football Manager and Football Manager!
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Post by Blueside on Mar 4, 2019 22:12:56 GMT
Its complete bollox. Football is a very simple game. Its 11 vs 11. Get the best players you can effort that have enough talent for your clubs level in there respective positions and get them as fit as possible.Play a simple old fashioned formation like 4-4-2 and have the game plan to try to win a game of football. All this football manager crap and Sky/BT and BBC over analysing of the beautiful game is a head f**k and has over complicated things due to the money thats in the game today. So simple any fool can manage a club. Need to prepare my CV for next time a league 1 job comes up, I’ve heard they pay more than my job in Engineering.
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Post by pirate on Mar 4, 2019 22:36:30 GMT
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Post by pirate on Mar 5, 2019 0:40:47 GMT
Interesting to see how data is everything now... What puzzles me is we have our own data analysis who checks all new signings data I take it and we pay £200,000 for Payne? The lad Alfie Jones at Southampton in the video is a good player. He's from Bristol. Unfortunately that is what we are up against when it comes to youth recruitment and of course Southampton have their satellite academy at Bath which helps them in this area.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 1:46:15 GMT
Football tactics and techniques evolve over time and statistical analysis has its place as does various formations and strategies like overlapping full backs and a false 9. One poster quotes "good old 4-4-2" but that in itself is quite a modern formation when you look at football history. Its very fine margins between success and failure so every little edge/advantage can count.
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Post by pirate on Mar 5, 2019 2:33:29 GMT
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Post by Icegas on Mar 5, 2019 6:51:09 GMT
Its complete bollox. Football is a very simple game. Its 11 vs 11. Get the best players you can effort that have enough talent for your clubs level in there respective positions and get them as fit as possible.Play a simple old fashioned formation like 4-4-2 and have the game plan to try to win a game of football. All this football manager crap and Sky/BT and BBC over analysing of the beautiful game is a head f**k and has over complicated things due to the money thats in the game today. So simple any fool can manage a club. Need to prepare my CV for next time a league 1 job comes up, I’ve heard they pay more than my job in Engineering. Never said any fool could manage a club! 😀. I just stated that todays game is over complicated by TV and the money thats in todays game,yet the sport is still played between the same amount of players, and has the same end goal each game as it did when played 100,50 and even just 15 years ago. Things change I know, players are better athletes - fitter,faster, stronger etc.. but the game and its formations and tactics are way over thought today. Give me Fergies style of football over Peps anyday...I loved DC as much as anyone but one of his problems that cost him his job here was the way he over thought,and over complicated a very basic game.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Mar 5, 2019 7:03:01 GMT
So simple any fool can manage a club. Need to prepare my CV for next time a league 1 job comes up, I’ve heard they pay more than my job in Engineering. Never said any fool could manage a club! 😀. I just stated that todays game is over complicated by TV and the money thats in todays game,yet the sport is still played between the same amount of players, and has the same end goal each game as it did when played 100,50 and even just 15 years ago. Things change I know, players are better athletes - fitter,faster, stronger etc.. but the game and its formations and tactics are way over thought today. Give me Fergies style of football over Peps anyday...I loved DC as much as anyone but one of his problems that cost him his job here was the way he over thought,and over complicated a very basic game. Let's play 1-2-7 tonight and see how Sunderland like that!
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Post by twertonboy on Mar 5, 2019 11:51:22 GMT
I cant imagine GC being inspired to take any of this onboard If you think this doesn’t happen at rovers your way behind the times, Dc took lines off last season when his half time data recorded he’d hardly had any sprints that half and dc commented on this a few times It’s hard to get your head around it but that’s why we employ Ed whatshis face as an analyst for us 3-4 seasons ago
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 5, 2019 11:59:41 GMT
I cant imagine GC being inspired to take any of this onboard If you think this doesn’t happen at rovers your way behind the times, Dc took lines off last season when his half time data recorded he’d hardly had any sprints that half and dc commented on this a few times It’s hard to get your head around it but that’s why we employ Ed whatshis face as an analyst for us 3-4 seasons ago GC was talking about the stats at the end of the Blackpool game, saying something like, I haven't seen the stats yet, but I bet 6 of our guys (presumably the front 6) all had over 10K, and the midfield all had over 66% completion.
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Post by twertonboy on Mar 5, 2019 12:15:53 GMT
This is also interesting and probably will irritate checkatrade protesters as the money involved in their own u23 set up is unbelievable and it shows you how much they rely on data...
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Post by mehewmagic on Mar 5, 2019 15:28:18 GMT
Interesting to see how data is everything now... What puzzles me is we have our own data analysis who checks all new signings data I take it and we pay £200,000 for Payne? The lad Alfie Jones at Southampton in the video is a good player. He's from Bristol. Unfortunately that is what we are up against when it comes to youth recruitment and of course Southampton have their satellite academy at Bath which helps them in this area. Massive issue for me. I find it mad that we can't even get players in our own area. I used to play football in Bath with Jason Dodd as a kid. We were even playing at Twerton when he went to Soton!! Over 400 games for them. Also Wiltshire players like Lewis Haldane went to Soton. Even bale; from South Wales to Bath to Soton. If we don't get a grip on local talent I doubt we will ever get anywhere.
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Post by aghast on Mar 5, 2019 17:22:17 GMT
The lad Alfie Jones at Southampton in the video is a good player. He's from Bristol. Unfortunately that is what we are up against when it comes to youth recruitment and of course Southampton have their satellite academy at Bath which helps them in this area. Massive issue for me. I find it mad that we can't even get players in our own area. I used to play football in Bath with Jason Dodd as a kid. We were even playing at Twerton when he went to Soton!! Over 400 games for them. Also Wiltshire players like Lewis Haldane went to Soton. Even bale; from South Wales to Bath to Soton. If we don't get a grip on local talent I doubt we will ever get anywhere. The days of being able to snap up great young players in South Wales seem to have completely disappeared. That seemed to be a bottomless pool of talent. We used to be at least as attractive a proposition as Cardiff and Swansea. What happened there? How long will it be before Newport County pull level with us and then leave us behind?
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Post by pirate on Mar 5, 2019 17:52:27 GMT
The lad Alfie Jones at Southampton in the video is a good player. He's from Bristol. Unfortunately that is what we are up against when it comes to youth recruitment and of course Southampton have their satellite academy at Bath which helps them in this area. Massive issue for me. I find it mad that we can't even get players in our own area. I used to play football in Bath with Jason Dodd as a kid. We were even playing at Twerton when he went to Soton!! Over 400 games for them. Also Wiltshire players like Lewis Haldane went to Soton. Even bale; from South Wales to Bath to Soton. If we don't get a grip on local talent I doubt we will ever get anywhere. It is frustrating and I can only speak from personal experience, but when I was a kid playing junior football for Congresbury and Milton Nomads, City always seemed to be the most proactive when it came to recruiting good young players and seemed to have close relationships with a lot of the better youth clubs in the area and the County Youth Representative sides at the time. It's probably even harder these days with their resources, owner and facilities. A few years back I told the story of how my former senior club managers' son was approached by City, but with both being massive Gasheads decided to contact Rovers to inform them and seek a trial, but were immediately told to go ahead and sign for City! I'm sure that wouldn't happen now (certainly hope not), but I found that incredible at the time. It is tougher now than ever to compete with the likes of Southampton, Chelsea, Cardiff and others with a strong presence in the area. The sad reality is there is a pecking order and we have to pick up the best of the rest and hopefully develop those players further down the line with good coaching so we eventually get them in the first team.
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Post by lpgas on Mar 6, 2019 18:22:55 GMT
I don't need numbers to prove someone is playing crap. The home end tells me
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 19:04:01 GMT
If you think this doesn’t happen at rovers your way behind the times, Dc took lines off last season when his half time data recorded he’d hardly had any sprints that half and dc commented on this a few times It’s hard to get your head around it but that’s why we employ Ed whatshis face as an analyst for us 3-4 seasons ago GC was talking about the stats at the end of the Blackpool game, saying something like, I haven't seen the stats yet, but I bet 6 of our guys (presumably the front 6) all had over 10K, and the midfield all had over 66% completion. I don't think DC used stats at half time. I remember his interview on Twentymans show when he said he took two players off at half time away to Shrewsbury because he didn't think they were putting in enough effort. He said that when he checked the stats the following day neither player had done a single sprint and were way behind the other players. The players in question were Colkett and Boateng if memory serves me right.
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