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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 17:44:13 GMT
Cant wait for an answer to that question officer It's just the usual assumption from the hardliners that anyone who doesn't support a dogmatic right wing economic approach, must be an idiot. Without realising that no modern successful government has followed that harsh line for decades. Yes agreed. Even when the truth is that with Austerity, National Debt doubled. Pity about Corbyn though. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 18:48:32 GMT
It's just the usual assumption from the hardliners that anyone who doesn't support a dogmatic right wing economic approach, must be an idiot. Without realising that no modern successful government has followed that harsh line for decades. Yes agreed. Even when the truth is that with Austerity, National Debt doubled. Pity about Corbyn though. edit - misquote...ironic given the thread title |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 19:37:58 GMT
A party full of hypocrites and dreamers. The stuff the vice chancellor has been coming out with are hilarious. Like what and why eric? A lot of it strikes me as working well elsewhere to be honest. It's almost like we cant believe it's actually possible we just dismiss it away as fantasy. Lots of firms in Europe are moving to 4 day weeks with no loss of pay, why not us? I’d like a four day week with no loss of pay and free prescriptions as well as the other bribery offers being made but I can’t see how it will be paid for. They can worry about that later I suppose. Just hope they budget sufficiently for signs at all our ports and airports, “Welcome to the UK - twinned with Venezuela “ |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Sept 23, 2019 19:56:28 GMT
Like what and why eric? A lot of it strikes me as working well elsewhere to be honest. It's almost like we cant believe it's actually possible we just dismiss it away as fantasy. Lots of firms in Europe are moving to 4 day weeks with no loss of pay, why not us? I’d like a four day week with no loss of pay and free prescriptions as well as the other bribery offers being made but I can’t see how it will be paid for. They can worry about that later I suppose. Just hope they budget sufficiently for signs at all our ports and airports, “Welcome to the UK - twinned with Venezuela “ What do you think of all those European countries where they do this sort of thing and it works for them? Scandinavian countries have some of the happiest people in the world on the charts. Why would you deny yourself that just because it means taxing the wealthy a bit more? Not that it was even government funded there but rather by firms I believe. None of them are communist or indeed Venezuela. I think it's very easy to just dismiss it as unachievable. It reminds me of Americans and their guns. When you mention Australia and Canada as examples where it has worked, you dont really hear much of an argument, just that it wont work. So considering that it does in fact work, why wont it work Eric? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 20:27:10 GMT
I’d like a four day week with no loss of pay and free prescriptions as well as the other bribery offers being made but I can’t see how it will be paid for. They can worry about that later I suppose. Just hope they budget sufficiently for signs at all our ports and airports, “Welcome to the UK - twinned with Venezuela “ What do you think of all those European countries where they do this sort of thing and it works for them? Scandinavian countries have some of the happiest people in the world on the charts. Why would you deny yourself that just because it means taxing the wealthy a bit more? Not that it was even government funded there but rather by firms I believe. None of them are communist or indeed Venezuela. I think it's very easy to just dismiss it as unachievable. It reminds me of Americans and their guns. When you mention Australia and Canada as examples where it has worked, you dont really hear much of an argument, just that it wont work. So considering that it does in fact work, why wont it work Eric? Good luck finding private companies to fund this when most are looking to make savings. Perhaps more uncontrolled immigration reducing wages could help achieve it, but then there would be a problem paying all the extra state benefit which takes us back to the magic money tree. If it has worked for others and is so easy why isn’t the whole world doing it? Why stop at a four day week? Let’s go for a two day week. Hasn’t hitting the so called wealthy with huge taxes been proven to have failed in the past? |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Sept 23, 2019 20:43:44 GMT
What do you think of all those European countries where they do this sort of thing and it works for them? Scandinavian countries have some of the happiest people in the world on the charts. Why would you deny yourself that just because it means taxing the wealthy a bit more? Not that it was even government funded there but rather by firms I believe. None of them are communist or indeed Venezuela. I think it's very easy to just dismiss it as unachievable. It reminds me of Americans and their guns. When you mention Australia and Canada as examples where it has worked, you dont really hear much of an argument, just that it wont work. So considering that it does in fact work, why wont it work Eric? Good luck finding private companies to fund this when most are looking to make savings. Perhaps more uncontrolled immigration reducing wages could help achieve it, but then there would be a problem paying all the extra state benefit which takes us back to the magic money tree. If it has worked for others and is so easy why isn’t the whole world doing it? Why stop at a four day week? Let’s go for a two day week. Hasn’t hitting the so called wealthy with huge taxes been proven to have failed in the past? It wasnt particularly hard. I found a few doing it in the UK already with a quick google search. Synergy Vision, a 45-employee medical communications agency, Elektra Lighting, a lighting design company, Lara Intimates, which makes underwear, and the Intrepid Camera company. Plenty of bigger and more successful ones in Denmark, Belgium, Switzerland, Sweden, New Zealand etc etc. I think apparently it reduces stress, keeps productivity up, reduces burnout and absence for mental health issues. Ever heard of working smarter not harder? As for why isnt everyone doing it if it's so easy etc, well, perhaps it has something to do with people like yourself who just dismiss it out of hand without looking in to it very much? But it's relatively new as a concept so I'm sure these things take a while to bed in if they are going to. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Sept 23, 2019 21:18:20 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 23, 2019 22:41:39 GMT
What do you think of all those European countries where they do this sort of thing and it works for them? Scandinavian countries have some of the happiest people in the world on the charts. Why would you deny yourself that just because it means taxing the wealthy a bit more? Not that it was even government funded there but rather by firms I believe. None of them are communist or indeed Venezuela. I think it's very easy to just dismiss it as unachievable. It reminds me of Americans and their guns. When you mention Australia and Canada as examples where it has worked, you dont really hear much of an argument, just that it wont work. So considering that it does in fact work, why wont it work Eric? Good luck finding private companies to fund this when most are looking to make savings. Perhaps more uncontrolled immigration reducing wages could help achieve it, but then there would be a problem paying all the extra state benefit which takes us back to the magic money tree. If it has worked for others and is so easy why isn’t the whole world doing it? Why stop at a four day week? Let’s go for a two day week. Hasn’t hitting the so called wealthy with huge taxes been proven to have failed in the past? Being a part time worker (well, the bit I'm paid for anyway) I would certainly advocate a three day weekend as the ideal work/life balance. I've seen friends try the 9 day fortnight, only to find the daily hours too much. As I understand it, the plan is for a gradual reduction in hours with this phased in. The benefit to the employer is the concentrated productivity of quality work. Don't forget, the two day weekend is actually relatively recent, I'm sure the equivalent of General Chat at the time would have been saying the same about going from 6 working days to 5. I'd like to see a further 2 Bank Holidays introduced, taking us to 10. At least one for October would be nice. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 23:13:18 GMT
Good luck finding private companies to fund this when most are looking to make savings. Perhaps more uncontrolled immigration reducing wages could help achieve it, but then there would be a problem paying all the extra state benefit which takes us back to the magic money tree. If it has worked for others and is so easy why isn’t the whole world doing it? Why stop at a four day week? Let’s go for a two day week. Hasn’t hitting the so called wealthy with huge taxes been proven to have failed in the past? It wasnt particularly hard. I found a few doing it in the UK already with a quick google search. Synergy Vision, a 45-employee medical communications agency, Elektra Lighting, a lighting design company, Lara Intimates, which makes underwear, and the Intrepid Camera company. Plenty of bigger and more successful ones in Denmark, Belgium, Switzerland, Sweden, New Zealand etc etc. I think apparently it reduces stress, keeps productivity up, reduces burnout and absence for mental health issues. Ever heard of working smarter not harder? As for why isnt everyone doing it if it's so easy etc, well, perhaps it has something to do with people like yourself who just dismiss it out of hand without looking in to it very much? But it's relatively new as a concept so I'm sure these things take a while to bed in if they are going to. Productivity. If the output in four working days is the same as in five, why take five. Its productivity that feeds higher incomes and profit margins. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 19:12:46 GMT
Good luck finding private companies to fund this when most are looking to make savings. Perhaps more uncontrolled immigration reducing wages could help achieve it, but then there would be a problem paying all the extra state benefit which takes us back to the magic money tree. If it has worked for others and is so easy why isn’t the whole world doing it? Why stop at a four day week? Let’s go for a two day week. Hasn’t hitting the so called wealthy with huge taxes been proven to have failed in the past? Being a part time worker (well, the bit I'm paid for anyway) I would certainly advocate a three day weekend as the ideal work/life balance. I've seen friends try the 9 day fortnight, only to find the daily hours too much. As I understand it, the plan is for a gradual reduction in hours with this phased in. The benefit to the employer is the concentrated productivity of quality work. Don't forget, the two day weekend is actually relatively recent, I'm sure the equivalent of General Chat at the time would have been saying the same about going from 6 working days to 5. I'd like to see a further 2 Bank Holidays introduced, taking us to 10. At least one for October would be nice. I used this argument with She Who Casts No Shadow regarding our sex life. I pointed out that instead of me just banging away for twenty minutes it is much better if I give it full throttle for seven quality seconds............. |
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Post by e4bandrobinstubbs on Nov 2, 2019 18:57:02 GMT
Good luck finding private companies to fund this when most are looking to make savings. Perhaps more uncontrolled immigration reducing wages could help achieve it, but then there would be a problem paying all the extra state benefit which takes us back to the magic money tree. If it has worked for others and is so easy why isn’t the whole world doing it? Why stop at a four day week? Let’s go for a two day week. Hasn’t hitting the so called wealthy with huge taxes been proven to have failed in the past? Being a part time worker (well, the bit I'm paid for anyway) I would certainly advocate a three day weekend as the ideal work/life balance. I've seen friends try the 9 day fortnight, only to find the daily hours too much. As I understand it, the plan is for a gradual reduction in hours with this phased in. The benefit to the employer is the concentrated productivity of quality work. Don't forget, the two day weekend is actually relatively recent, I'm sure the equivalent of General Chat at the time would have been saying the same about going from 6 working days to 5. I'd like to see a further 2 Bank Holidays introduced, taking us to 10. At least one for October would be nice. More Bank Holidays could be a good idea. On the subject of reducing the working week, if a company can afford to pay employees 100% of Salary for doing 20% less work, then there's something wrong. For a start, if they can afford to do that then if they want me to buy their products or services they can charge me 20% less. (One major company has already had that letter from me) .Equally if Marvin Rees wants to restrict my access to part of the City where I pay my Council Tax, then I'll deduct a proportionate amount from my Council Tax. Unless he wants to charge people from other districts to come where I live & distribute the funds to us of course. The list goes on & it will continue unless there's reaction.
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