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Post by aghast on May 2, 2019 14:33:09 GMT
Just seen the GC interview . If I was body language expert (which I'm not), I would say his fidgeting and scratching and other involuntary movements suggest he is uncomfortable and being a little disingenuous . Agents already talking methinks ..... Perhaps he's got fleas.
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Post by mehewmagic on May 2, 2019 14:34:20 GMT
Names that would be in my thinking are Ben Garner, Graeme Jones, Graham Alexander, Jody Morris, Johnnie Jackson, Austin MacPhee, Ian Burchnall, Nigel Clough, John Coleman, Paul Hurst, Matt Jansen, Daryl McMahon and Alun Armstrong. Interested to know your logic behind Nigel Clough Pirate? Experience of watching Rovers & enjoying us win. 1973.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 14:35:29 GMT
Just seen the GC interview . If I was body language expert (which I'm not), I would say his fidgeting and scratching and other involuntary movements suggest he is uncomfortable and being a little disingenuous . Agents already talking methinks ..... Bloody hell. We put up with DC scratching his back for several years in every interview he did!
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Post by mehewmagic on May 2, 2019 14:37:31 GMT
Just seen the GC interview . If I was body language expert (which I'm not), I would say his fidgeting and scratching and other involuntary movements suggest he is uncomfortable and being a little disingenuous . Agents already talking methinks ..... Bloody hell. We put up with DC scratching his back for several years in every interview he did! And Linesy
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Post by Okebournegas on May 2, 2019 14:43:28 GMT
Just watched the video, my take is.... 1) not going to Plymouth, staying put. 2) already planning on a few changes next season. 3) linsey won’t be playing for us again
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Post by chewbacca on May 2, 2019 14:47:28 GMT
Ian Holloway has not bettered Darrell Clarke's Points Per Game ratio of 1.5 since leaving Plymouth in 2007;
Plymouth - 1.5 Leicester - 1.1 Blackpool - 1.4 Palace - 1.2 Millwall - 1.0 QPR - 1.2
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Post by neilv93 on May 2, 2019 14:49:28 GMT
Interested to know your logic behind Nigel Clough Pirate? Experience of watching Rovers & enjoying us win. 1973. Was that the 8-2? What a day. I wasn't born, mind you... but what a day.
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Post by neilv93 on May 2, 2019 14:56:26 GMT
Ian Holloway has not bettered Darrell Clarke's Points Per Game ratio of 1.5 since leaving Plymouth in 2007; Plymouth - 1.5 Leicester - 1.1 Blackpool - 1.4 Palace - 1.2 Millwall - 1.0 QPR - 1.2 Christ, those are some poor recent PPG tallies. Although 1.2PPG in L1 is still 55 points a season and would be borderline top half this year.
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Post by pirate on May 2, 2019 14:57:20 GMT
Ian Holloway has not bettered Darrell Clarke's Points Per Game ratio of 1.5 since leaving Plymouth in 2007; Plymouth - 1.5 Leicester - 1.1 Blackpool - 1.4 Palace - 1.2 Millwall - 1.0 QPR - 1.2 But then again, how many of those points for DC were in League Two and the Conference? Holloway has always managed at League One level or above.
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Post by chewbacca on May 2, 2019 15:07:49 GMT
Ian Holloway has not bettered Darrell Clarke's Points Per Game ratio of 1.5 since leaving Plymouth in 2007; Plymouth - 1.5 Leicester - 1.1 Blackpool - 1.4 Palace - 1.2 Millwall - 1.0 QPR - 1.2 But then again, how many of those points for DC were in League Two and the Conference? Holloway has always managed at League One level or above. A fair stance. People get very misty eyed about Ollie, he's been a jobbing manager for 22 years and won 3 promotions. Darrell achieved 4 in 7 years. If he wasn't Ian Holloway no one would be asking after him at all. I'd prefer if GC did leave we actually made a footballing appointment and not an attempt to woo supporters back in with a name.
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Post by pirate on May 2, 2019 15:14:59 GMT
But then again, how many of those points for DC were in League Two and the Conference? Holloway has always managed at League One level or above. A fair stance. People get very misty eyed about Ollie, he's been a jobbing manager for 22 years and won 3 promotions. Darrell achieved 4 in 7 years. If he wasn't Ian Holloway no one would be asking after him at all. I'd prefer if GC did leave we actually made a footballing appointment and not an attempt to woo supporters back in with a name. Can't really argue with any of that to be fair, especially the last sentence.
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Post by rememberhalifax on May 2, 2019 15:41:52 GMT
Hope GC stays and is given chance to rebuild squad, he deserves enormous credit for keeping us in league 1, get the impression from interview that not all players were on board for his rescue plan and they will be moved on ,fair enough,you know the saying,one bad apple and all that let alone 2 or 3!think he feels that not all fans are with him either and it is this which may sway him to move to Plymouth, i for one would be disappointed, like the mans passion and straight talking approach, Advice for Ollie, love u to bots ,true Rovers legend, but don't come back, it rarely works , could say the same for DC , much as i would welcome you back ,don't do it!
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Post by station on May 2, 2019 15:43:08 GMT
Experience of watching Rovers & enjoying us win. 1973. Was that the 8-2? What a day. I wasn't born, mind you... but what a day. 1973: 2-8 and the humiliation of the late Brian Clough and in the words of Max Boyce "I was there!!"
But look where they are now and look where ………… nah cant be bovvered.
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Post by aghast on May 2, 2019 15:53:34 GMT
But then again, how many of those points for DC were in League Two and the Conference? Holloway has always managed at League One level or above. A fair stance. People get very misty eyed about Ollie, he's been a jobbing manager for 22 years and won 3 promotions. Darrell achieved 4 in 7 years. If he wasn't Ian Holloway no one would be asking after him at all. I'd prefer if GC did leave we actually made a footballing appointment and not an attempt to woo supporters back in with a name. I don't think comparing the number of promotions is fair at all. Two of DC's were from non-league. Two of IH's were into the Premier League. In fact I don't see the point of comparing the two at all. Admittedly I just did, but you started it. So poo.
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Post by Blackbeard on May 2, 2019 16:01:30 GMT
He will sit tight until sat afternoon 5pm If Plymouth survive he will be off If they drop he will stay here That would be strange timing, seeing as we don't kick off until 5.30pm. As Jack Nicholson once said aint I the asshole 😂
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 16:18:34 GMT
I for one would be gutted. We've had excellent away form under GC, he's kept us up with a squad that would struggle to be competitive in League Two and he's had two successful forays in the transfer market. Giving him the chance to build on that and have a complete squad overhaul seems to make complete sense to me. If we can keep our away form going as it is and return to our historic home records, we'd have a great shot at being competitive in League One for the first time in decades. Got to call you out on the claim our squad wouldn't be competitive in L2. The nonsense about our squad being that poor has been shown up by our post DC record. Apart from lacking a goalscorer, our squad has been a perfectly adequate L1 squad, if a little unbalanced. While you make an interesting point regarding the post DC record, it's impossible to argue this squad isn't poor. It was dismantled by Exeter 4-0 in pre season, and they may not even make the League Two play-offs. It's also the squad with the worst home record in League One. We haven't got a goalkeeper nor a right back, we've only got two decent CMs (OC and AO), we've got 1 striker in JCH. Across the whole squad, there are probably only two players who would make a regular starting berth for every team in the division and that's Lockyer and JCH. GC has come in, shut-up shop and made us very difficult to beat. The complete opposite to DC, and that's precisely the reason we've stayed up. He's made this squad perform far greater than the sum of its parts.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 16:29:14 GMT
Got to call you out on the claim our squad wouldn't be competitive in L2. The nonsense about our squad being that poor has been shown up by our post DC record. Apart from lacking a goalscorer, our squad has been a perfectly adequate L1 squad, if a little unbalanced. While you make an interesting point regarding the post DC record, it's impossible to argue this squad isn't poor. It was dismantled by Exeter 4-0 in pre season, and they may not even make the League Two play-offs. It's also the squad with the worst home record in League One. We haven't got a goalkeeper nor a right back, we've only got two decent CMs (OC and AO), we've got 1 striker in JCH. Across the whole squad, there are probably only two players who would make a regular starting berth for every team in the division and that's Lockyer and JCH. GC has come in, shut-up shop and made us very difficult to beat. The complete opposite to DC, and that's precisely the reason we've stayed up. He's made this squad perform far greater than the sum of its parts. The squad lacks a goalscorer, width and pace. Aside from that, it's fine. Our centre midfield area is strong and I'd argue that actually, in Sinclair, Ogogo, Upson and Clarke the problem isn't a lack of quality, it's just that we have too many of them. I'm hoping that if GC doesn't rate Lines then he makes a playmaker his number one priority, followed by a striker and two wingers. Ideally I'd look at the right back position to compete with James Clarke too.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 16:34:07 GMT
While you make an interesting point regarding the post DC record, it's impossible to argue this squad isn't poor. It was dismantled by Exeter 4-0 in pre season, and they may not even make the League Two play-offs. It's also the squad with the worst home record in League One. We haven't got a goalkeeper nor a right back, we've only got two decent CMs (OC and AO), we've got 1 striker in JCH. Across the whole squad, there are probably only two players who would make a regular starting berth for every team in the division and that's Lockyer and JCH. GC has come in, shut-up shop and made us very difficult to beat. The complete opposite to DC, and that's precisely the reason we've stayed up. He's made this squad perform far greater than the sum of its parts. The squad lacks a goalscorer, width and pace. Aside from that, it's fine. Our centre midfield area is strong and I'd argue that actually, in Sinclair, Ogogo, Upson and Clarke the problem isn't a lack of quality, it's just that we have too many of them. I'm hoping that if GC doesn't rate Lines then he makes a playmaker his number one priority, followed by a striker and two wingers. Ideally I'd look at the right back position to compete with James Clarke too. So that's 5 first team players you'd like to bring in? Definitely an indication that the squad is poor. Sinclair isn't a "quality" option, Upson is absolutely atrocious (absolutely totally and utterly atrocious), Ogogo and Clarke are good but very similar players. Play those two at the base and Sercombe as a 10 and that's a very tasty midfield. Still will require options to replace them when needed. Need to replace 2 of our 3 strikers, need another GK, LB, probably 2 RBs, 2 CMs. I'd argue that's 8 new regular first-team players required to come in and make us competitive. It is a poor squad.
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Post by axegas on May 2, 2019 16:51:39 GMT
A fair stance. People get very misty eyed about Ollie, he's been a jobbing manager for 22 years and won 3 promotions. Darrell achieved 4 in 7 years. If he wasn't Ian Holloway no one would be asking after him at all. I'd prefer if GC did leave we actually made a footballing appointment and not an attempt to woo supporters back in with a name. I don't think comparing the number of promotions is fair at all. Two of DC's were from non-league. Two of IH's were into the Premier League. In fact I don't see the point of comparing the two at all. Admittedly I just did, but you started it. So poo. But as a manager, is it harder to get out of the Championship than the National League given what you have to work with? Championship is more tactical and obviously a higher standard of football but the national league is just as competitive with only one automatic place to get out of it. Not trying to talk down Ollie’s sucess, getting promotion to the premier league with Blackpool was a fantastic achievement but I just think he’s lost something in him with his last few appointments.
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Post by twertonboy on May 2, 2019 16:53:22 GMT
I wouldn’t blame him if he went especially if our budget isn’t as good as last year and DC blew that on players that are worthless now so it would take a miracle to keep us up again without bonham and trying to sell our deadwood off which seems more than ever this year for peanuts... This could be his only chance in management to land a job he’s probably been dying to do and probably with a better budget and set of players minus jch/thd. Let’s face it if someone offered you a club with no stadium imminent and probably a low budget with a squad of overated journeymen and overachieving lower league players or a club that’s already got the stadium to achieve championship levels and a better budget and squad that’s supported as much as us for probably better money I think I would have my head turned
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