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Post by socrates on May 5, 2019 17:23:14 GMT
the Sainsbury’s f**k up isn’t that different either to be honest. They were right on it looking after their best interests and knew exactly what they were doing whilst our board at the time were plodding on taking the club in to an abyss which was built on false hope, blindness, naivety and bullshit.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 5, 2019 17:24:59 GMT
Am not a Lockenbauer fan. Welsh international bench warmer. He is like marmite on this forum. If this young man had potential he would have been snapped up years ago. He has remained a biggish fish in a small pond. If you are going Tom, good luck. UTG...the glorious gas. Not necessarily, he's not even that old. Look at Lambert, Vardy etc.
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Post by socrates on May 5, 2019 17:29:38 GMT
Am not a Lockenbauer fan. Welsh international bench warmer. He is like marmite on this forum. If this young man had potential he would have been snapped up years ago. He has remained a biggish fish in a small pond. If you are going Tom, good luck. UTG...the glorious gas. Not necessarily, he's not even that old. Look at Lambert, Vardy etc. I hope he goes on to become a world class player. He’s a great lad with a great attitude. Big loss for us but whoever in the championship signs him is getting an average league 1 player with potential, nothing more.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 17:36:53 GMT
Not necessarily, he's not even that old. Look at Lambert, Vardy etc. I hope he goes on to become a world class player. He’s a great lad with a great attitude. Big loss for us but whoever in the championship signs him is getting an average league 1 player with potential, nothing more. I think he'll be better suited to the Championship, especially in a half decent team. His main problem this season has been distribution as his bravery, ball winning, reading of the game etc has been excellent. When you look at him lose possession (same with Craig or whoever else plays at the back) it's because there is so little outlet. Because we play deep to accommodate Craig's lack of pace there are big gaps between the defence and attack and we also have midfielders who have been hiding and not working hard enough to receive a ball to feet. At the higher level he'll have players giving him easy options and I think he'll do really well. I wish him all the best.
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Post by toddy1953 on May 5, 2019 17:39:51 GMT
There are a lot of ungrateful posters on here against a player who has given 8 years of their football life to the Gas I for one will wish him the very best in his future football life and would welcome him back every time he visits us at the Mem or our New stadium in a few years Gutted he’s off & even more gutted we won’t be getting any monies, but at the end of the day, gone are the days that a player commits to one club, gets a year or two salary as a testimonial, then goes off to work 7 days a week running a pub or working as a postman. He is taking a punt on his international status giving him a chance of a nice signing on fee & probably 3-4 times his current salary, an immediate chance to play in a higher league, and also set himself & family up financially, for life. Can’t say I blame him to be fair, and as long as he doesn’t sign for the sh**e, then good luck to him & thanks for doing your best for my football club.
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Post by socrates on May 5, 2019 17:41:59 GMT
I hope he goes on to become a world class player. He’s a great lad with a great attitude. Big loss for us but whoever in the championship signs him is getting an average league 1 player with potential, nothing more. I think he'll be better suited to the Championship, especially in a half decent team. His main problem this season has been distribution as his bravery, ball winning, reading of the game etc has been excellent. When you look at him lose possession (same with Craig or whoever else plays at the back) it's because there is so little outlet. Because we play deep to accommodate Craig's lack of pace there are big gaps between the defence and attack and we also have midfielders who have been hiding and not working hard enough to receive a ball to feet. At the higher level he'll have players giving him easy options and I think he'll do really well. I wish him all the best. I hope your right. I wanted Ellis to do well and bodin , if Taylor hadn’t joined the arsonists I’d have wanted him to do well too. I hope Pompey win the play offs , for Lee Brown. No sour grapes from me 👍
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Post by Topper Gas on May 5, 2019 17:49:06 GMT
imo the problem is giving an establish player i.e Harrison Bodin and Taylor an extended contract ,minimum 3 years,then half way through his contract if he wants to leave to enhance his career( like any good pro should do) so let him go if he has his mind elsewhere , but get a genuine value for the player ,but to get around k500 for 3 top players is ludicrous , now another club will get one of our better players for absolutely nothing , JCH is the next one in line for a club to pick up for free, hope we can learn from these lessons But you can't force players to sign 3 year contracts similarly , you can't force a player to move halfway though their contract, given Locks his leaving almost as soon as he's he turned 24 (last December) you do have to wonder if this was his plan, in the last year or so, all along now he'll personally pocket a big chunk of whatever transfer fee we could have got, that's great leadership from our captain. Not sure I'll be joining HG in applauding him if he ever returns to the Mem.
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Post by wilkimania on May 5, 2019 18:08:21 GMT
imo the problem is giving an establish player i.e Harrison Bodin and Taylor an extended contract ,minimum 3 years,then half way through his contract if he wants to leave to enhance his career( like any good pro should do) so let him go if he has his mind elsewhere , but get a genuine value for the player ,but to get around k500 for 3 top players is ludicrous , now another club will get one of our better players for absolutely nothing , JCH is the next one in line for a club to pick up for free, hope we can learn from these lessons But you can't force players to sign 3 year contracts similarly , you can't force a player to move halfway though their contract, given Locks his leaving almost as soon as he's he turned 24 (last December) you do have to wonder if this was his plan, in the last year or so, all along now he'll personally pocket a big chunk of whatever transfer fee we could have got, that's great leadership from our captain. Not sure I'll be joining HG in applauding him if he ever returns to the Mem. You have to wonder this based off of what? The fact that he's leaving the club? Is every player that moves club this season because they're out of contract purposely running down their contract to pocket a bigger signing on fee? If we're going to take tiny pockets of facts and massively go overboard with it then the fact that we beat a team that's going to be playing in the Championship next season means that we would beat every championship team. In a separate point the club seem to be fracturing over the last season or so. Even before DC left you could see the signs of it happening, but in the course of about 12 months we've gone from largely pulling in one direction to this entire place being probably the most split it's been since the conference season. Starnes V Hamer. GC V Lines. DC V The Board. That's not even counting the fact that half our squad seem to divide the fan base in regards to whether or not they're good. I'm starting to think we need something to bring the club back together pushing in one direction.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 18:28:28 GMT
But you can't force players to sign 3 year contracts similarly , you can't force a player to move halfway though their contract, given Locks his leaving almost as soon as he's he turned 24 (last December) you do have to wonder if this was his plan, in the last year or so, all along now he'll personally pocket a big chunk of whatever transfer fee we could have got, that's great leadership from our captain. Not sure I'll be joining HG in applauding him if he ever returns to the Mem. You have to wonder this based off of what? The fact that he's leaving the club? Is every player that moves club this season because they're out of contract purposely running down their contract to pocket a bigger signing on fee? If we're going to take tiny pockets of facts and massively go overboard with it then the fact that we beat a team that's going to be playing in the Championship next season means that we would beat every championship team. In a separate point the club seem to be fracturing over the last season or so. Even before DC left you could see the signs of it happening, but in the course of about 12 months we've gone from largely pulling in one direction to this entire place being probably the most split it's been since the conference season. Starnes V Hamer. GC V Lines. DC V The Board. That's not even counting the fact that half our squad seem to divide the fan base in regards to whether or not they're good. I'm starting to think we need something to bring the club back together pushing in one direction. Good post. What is that something though? I've ling thought that Ian Holloway's best years as a manager are behind him, however just maybe he is the only person who could do that. Plenty don't like him but if I'm wrong and he still does have the ability to entertain by playing his brand of attacking football, people would soon unite with him. I'm in two minds about this one. Instinct says never go back, but your post about the divides in the club and the need for unity does make me wonder...
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Post by rememberhalifax on May 5, 2019 18:32:06 GMT
Dont know the ins and outs of Locks situation, but if its a case of we took him on after being released by Cardiff, coached him to become the player he is over a number of years and then we lose him or he wants to go for nowt seems a bit crazy to me and not very good business!!
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Post by Topper Gas on May 5, 2019 18:41:49 GMT
But you can't force players to sign 3 year contracts similarly , you can't force a player to move halfway though their contract, given Locks his leaving almost as soon as he's he turned 24 (last December) you do have to wonder if this was his plan, in the last year or so, all along now he'll personally pocket a big chunk of whatever transfer fee we could have got, that's great leadership from our captain. Not sure I'll be joining HG in applauding him if he ever returns to the Mem. You have to wonder this based off of what? The fact that he's leaving the club? Is every player that moves club this season because they're out of contract purposely running down their contract to pocket a bigger signing on fee? If we're going to take tiny pockets of facts and massively go overboard with it then the fact that we beat a team that's going to be playing in the Championship next season means that we would beat every championship team. In a separate point the club seem to be fracturing over the last season or so. Even before DC left you could see the signs of it happening, but in the course of about 12 months we've gone from largely pulling in one direction to this entire place being probably the most split it's been since the conference season. Starnes V Hamer. GC V Lines. DC V The Board. That's not even counting the fact that half our squad seem to divide the fan base in regards to whether or not they're good. I'm starting to think we need something to bring the club back together pushing in one direction. Based on the fact an 18 month long contract was a strangely short one to sign last January. Given we lost Bodin for peanuts last January then if Locks wasn't prepared to sign a contract extension last summer we should have put him on the transfer list and cashed in then. If he refused to move them strip him of the captaincy and stick him in the Development Squad. Let's see then how many Championship clubs would be willing to sign a Div 1 player who hasn't played a competitive game for few months.
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Post by warehamgas on May 5, 2019 18:44:28 GMT
Sign Curtis Nelson - I believe he has run his contract down and is available on a free? He's always been one of the best Centrebacks in the division. The rules work both ways - we can lose players free and we can get free transfers in too. Good point, but we’re very slow in the transfer market so it’s likely he will be snapped up before we even show an interest And perhaps with GC things might change. He will have less loyalty and will want to prove himself in his first management post. Perhaps he’ll want to get his targets in early. Not a guy to over-think things, I’ll say he’ll get things done early! I hope. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 18:44:46 GMT
You have to wonder this based off of what? The fact that he's leaving the club? Is every player that moves club this season because they're out of contract purposely running down their contract to pocket a bigger signing on fee? If we're going to take tiny pockets of facts and massively go overboard with it then the fact that we beat a team that's going to be playing in the Championship next season means that we would beat every championship team. In a separate point the club seem to be fracturing over the last season or so. Even before DC left you could see the signs of it happening, but in the course of about 12 months we've gone from largely pulling in one direction to this entire place being probably the most split it's been since the conference season. Starnes V Hamer. GC V Lines. DC V The Board. That's not even counting the fact that half our squad seem to divide the fan base in regards to whether or not they're good. I'm starting to think we need something to bring the club back together pushing in one direction. Based on the fact an 18 month long contract was a strangely short one to sign last January. Given we lost Bodin for peanuts last January then if Locks wasn't prepared to sign a contract extension last summer we should have put him on the transfer list and cashed in then. If he refused to move them strip him of the captaincy and stick him in the Development Squad. Let's see then how many Championship clubs would be willing to sign a Div 1 player who hasn't played a competitive game for few months. Great shout. That would also have a negative effect on our Defence statistics for the season. Given we only just stayed up I am glad you are not in charge! Jesus wept..... again!
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Post by Gassy on May 5, 2019 18:46:39 GMT
Good point, but we’re very slow in the transfer market so it’s likely he will be snapped up before we even show an interest And perhaps with GC things might change. He will have less loyalty and will want to prove himself in his first management post. Perhaps he’ll want to get his targets in early. Not a guy to over-think things, I’ll say he’ll get things done early! I hope. UTG! If January is anything to go by, GC hasn’t made things any quicker
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 18:47:04 GMT
Lockyer is a model professional and has a great attitude.
IMO the reason he is still playing in League 1 is because his passing is awful.
He gets away with it in League 1 on the whole. Can't see him getting away with it in the Championship.
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Post by stevek192 on May 5, 2019 18:53:39 GMT
"I think he'll be better suited to the Championship, especially in a half decent team. His main problem this season has been distribution as his bravery, ball winning, reading of the game etc has been excellent. When you look at him lose possession (same with Craig or whoever else plays at the back) it's because there is so little outlet. Because we play deep to accommodate Craig's lack of pace there are big gaps between the defence and attack and we also have midfielders who have been hiding and not working hard enough to receive a ball to feet. At the higher level he'll have players giving him easy options and I think he'll do really well. I wish him all the best." quoted eric. sorry eric but we have played deep for so long to protect the defence all round and certainly not just because of Craigs lack of pace. It happened long before he came here. as for the midfielders why do you think we play three defensive ones? they certainly don't all hide. We will see if he does better in a better team and I do wish him all the best but there was a better way to leave us than he has chosen. Not many Championship clubs have midfielders playing so deep to compensate their defence and I don't see Tom as having the ability to carry the ball out. I feel it will be one step too many similar to Harrison and Matty Taylor but eric you may be right. We won't have long to wait to see who is correct- Not that it really matters because once they leave us I don't really care one way or the other!!
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Post by warehamgas on May 5, 2019 19:01:09 GMT
And perhaps with GC things might change. He will have less loyalty and will want to prove himself in his first management post. Perhaps he’ll want to get his targets in early. Not a guy to over-think things, I’ll say he’ll get things done early! I hope. UTG! If January is anything to go by, GC hasn’t made things any quicker Different windows aren’t they? The January one the manager is deep in training and football, the summer window less so. And perhaps TW may be clearer about the players GC will want. Can’t say with any certainty but he will want to impress and having been here last Summer he would have seen the shambles we were in July/August and will want to avoid that I would imagine. He would have been shocked to see Bakayoko on the bus to Posh and then not signing I would have thought. As ever, time will tell. UTG!
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Post by Gassy on May 5, 2019 20:45:37 GMT
(Stole from Facebook)
Rovers fans react for Lockyer going for free/peanuts 😂
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Post by mehewmagic on May 5, 2019 21:37:47 GMT
If he goes he goes. During the D.C. era contracts were short to act as a motivator (play well or you go elsewhere) and because we were fed up of journey men who caused us to go out of the league on big contracts and poor performances. For every star player we lose we get away wit carrying 5 or so duds. And for every star player we lose there’s a chance we can gain a star player or two on the free market. Happens to all sorts of clubs. 6 months ago everyone was happy to knock him. Not everyone. Some people on the inter web
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Post by mehewmagic on May 5, 2019 22:00:06 GMT
Because other clubs actually have ambition. We don't. Eaves is leaving Gillingham on a free. Another fickle post which ignores fact. But there aren't other examples out there though?
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