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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 15:02:41 GMT
What makes you think the board would be at fault if TL wasn't open to signing a new contract? Because it was them who negotiated sh*t contracts on (potentially) Lockyer, Brown, Taylor & Bodin. I said it before & got slated for it, but since most have changed their minds. Our contract management is an absolute farce. There is now a strong chance that we let go Sercombe (likely to be out of contract), Lockyer, Brown, Bodin & Taylor for 750k in total. The alternative to that is the three year contract, which DC didn't seem to entertain. You've also assumed lower league players who are performing would be happy to commit themselves to a lower league club beyond a season which rarely occurs. Taylor and Bodin were never likely to resign in particular. The increasing financial gulf between the Championship and L1 will mean this is common place going forward.
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Post by twertonboy on May 4, 2019 15:03:33 GMT
He will be out of contract especially if Geoff has mentioned it. Typical of the board to let him go for nowt... I’m glad for a change at the back to be honest and funny how all the people preaching about his mistakes and distribution will be saying sad to go... I personally had enough of seeing Tom smash it to the opposition time and time again...hopefully kilgour will becomes more of a player now...and we sign someone for Craig and things will look up..I know everyone will be banging on about our defensive record but what’s the point of our attack’s from the back being built on a hopeful welly up front all game
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Post by holderz on May 4, 2019 15:03:46 GMT
If Tom has refused to sign a contract extension how is that the boards fault ? If Tom wants to move on and has been offered big money elsewhere can you blame him ? If a competitor to the company you work for offered you more money would you leave ? If this is Toms last game good luck And thanks for your 100 % efforts over the years.
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Post by gasandelectricity on May 4, 2019 15:04:25 GMT
Because it was them who negotiated sh*t contracts on (potentially) Lockyer, Brown, Taylor & Bodin. I said it before & got slated for it, but since most have changed their minds. Our contract management is an absolute farce. There is now a strong chance that we let go Sercombe (likely to be out of contract), Lockyer, Brown, Bodin & Taylor for 750k in total. The alternative to that is the three year contract, which DC didn't seem to entertain. You've also assumed lower league players who are performing would be happy to commit themselves to a lower league club beyond a season which rarely occurs. Taylor and Bodin were never likely to resign in particular. The increasing financial gulf between the Championship and L1 will mean this is common place going forward. Any excuse to knock our ownership eh?
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Post by Gassy on May 4, 2019 15:06:21 GMT
Because it was them who negotiated sh*t contracts on (potentially) Lockyer, Brown, Taylor & Bodin. I said it before & got slated for it, but since most have changed their minds. Our contract management is an absolute farce. There is now a strong chance that we let go Sercombe (likely to be out of contract), Lockyer, Brown, Bodin & Taylor for 750k in total. The alternative to that is the three year contract, which DC didn't seem to entertain. You've alsobassumed lower league players who are performing would be happy to commit themselves to a lower league club beyond a season which rarely occurs. Taylor and Bodin were never likely to resign in particular. The increasing financial gulf between the Championship and L1 will mean this is common place going forward. Is it? Or is it signing extensions earlier than we currently do? Of course some clubs lose their best players every now and then, but for us its at least 1 a year. We've already gone from play off chasing into relegation facing. Can you name another club who manages to lose all their best players for free/peanuts constantly? Not that I'm saying the old board is/was better, but this very rarely every happened. Now it's happening twice a year
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 15:06:48 GMT
That sad thing is that was the core of our side from a few seasons ago that could have been ( with alittle investment ) at the time a side that could have been a championship side today.Now as you say, it looks like at least four of them have gone for complete peanuts. Yet we millions every year ffs Only at Bristol f*cking Rovers It all starts with the player though, they sign an initial contract and then if they are any good they run the contract down and don’t re-sign (Bodin) or if they do (Taylor) it’s on the proviso that his transfer fee is a nominal sum and not his true value. There is very little scope for the club to get around this. The obvious ways are to give out 3 year contracts but I would rather we lost players cheaply than end up getting lumbered with the likes of Garry Kenneth on 3 year deals. Nichols was on a 3 year deal by the looks of things, look how that has turned out. Another idea is automatic extensions upon achievement of a certain metric- appearances, goals etc. At the end of the day though we can draw up the toughest contracts we like, the final say will always go to the player as it is his choice to sign the contract or go elsewhere. Not much the club can do about that
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Post by Gassy on May 4, 2019 15:08:38 GMT
If Tom has refused to sign a contract extension how is that the boards fault ? If Tom wants to move on and has been offered big money elsewhere can you blame him ? If a competitor to the company you work for offered you more money would you leave ? If this is Toms last game good luck And thanks for your 100 % efforts over the years. Unfortunately you seem to think contract negotiations are a simple case of sign or don't sign. Not sure if you've ever managed contracts but successful clubs & companies don't allow their best players to go for free. How often did this happen before Wael's reign?
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Post by neilv93 on May 4, 2019 15:11:36 GMT
If he is out of contract that is extremely bad given he was one of our only real assets He extended his deal in January 2018, surely we wouldn't be stupid enough to have given him an 18 month contract extension? www.bbc.com/sport/football/42649584Tom signed a deal in April 2016 & January 2018.
If it turns out the TL is out of contract then I will be absolutely furious with this board. I know it's only a game but Football Manager is usually bang on the money and Sports Interactive (game creator) have him down as contracted until June 2020. I'd imagine he's off somewhere like Swansea or Brentford and I wish him well. Quality defender and our captain. All the best Tom!
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Post by gasandelectricity on May 4, 2019 15:11:52 GMT
If Tom has refused to sign a contract extension how is that the boards fault ? If Tom wants to move on and has been offered big money elsewhere can you blame him ? If a competitor to the company you work for offered you more money would you leave ? If this is Toms last game good luck And thanks for your 100 % efforts over the years. Unfortunately you seem to think contract negotiations are a simple case of sign or don't sign. Not sure if you've ever managed contracts but successful clubs & companies don't allow their best players to go for free. How often did this happen before Wael's reign? It’s not a case or turning around to your boss and saying him over there will give me a 20% raise if you don’t sort my salary out though it’s a case of 300%. We can do that by all means but we will soon be in the position of clubs like Bury and Bolton. It’s a false economy and not an option.
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Post by Gassy on May 4, 2019 15:13:49 GMT
Yet we millions every year ffs Only at Bristol f*cking Rovers It all starts with the player though, they sign an initial contract and then if they are any good they run the contract down and don’t re-sign (Bodin) or if they do (Taylor) it’s on the proviso that his transfer fee is a nominal sum and not his true value. There is very little scope for the club to get around this. The obvious ways are to give out 3 year contracts but I would rather we lost players cheaply than end up getting lumbered with the likes of Garry Kenneth on 3 year deals. Nichols was on a 3 year deal by the looks of things, look how that has turned out. Another idea is automatic extensions upon achievement of a certain metric- appearances, goals etc. At the end of the day though we can draw up the toughest contracts we like, the final say will always go to the player as it is his choice to sign the contract or go elsewhere. Not much the club can do about that This is my issue though. Our contract management is crap. We give untested crap players like Nichols 3 years but TL 18 months. What we have to do is ask why does this keep happening to us? 1 or 2 times is fine, however when its happening twice a year we must look at why aren't players staying with us longer? Is it bad contract management (likely)? Are we not attractive as a club? Are we moving backwards? Are the facilities so poor players don't want to carry on with us? It seems like a few people here are content with letting our best players go & are happy to say "ah well what can you do" - if we carry on with this attitude we deserve everything we get
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Post by Gassy on May 4, 2019 15:16:02 GMT
Unfortunately you seem to think contract negotiations are a simple case of sign or don't sign. Not sure if you've ever managed contracts but successful clubs & companies don't allow their best players to go for free. How often did this happen before Wael's reign? It’s not a case or turning around to your boss and saying him over there will give me a 20% raise if you don’t sort my salary out though it’s a case of 300%. We can do that by all means but we will soon be in the position of clubs like Bury and Bolton. It’s a false economy and not an option. If he has negotiated a deal with a club who can increase his salary by 300% then we have to ask why did we allow ourselves to get into this position yet again?
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Post by gasandelectricity on May 4, 2019 15:19:27 GMT
It’s not a case or turning around to your boss and saying him over there will give me a 20% raise if you don’t sort my salary out though it’s a case of 300%. We can do that by all means but we will soon be in the position of clubs like Bury and Bolton. It’s a false economy and not an option. If he has negotiated a deal with a club who can increase his salary by 300% then we have to ask why did we allow ourselves to get into this position yet again? That’s the differential between L1 clubs and Championship. That’s why we can’t do anything about it and why ‘some of our supporters are willing to accept it’
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Post by Gassy on May 4, 2019 15:25:37 GMT
If he has negotiated a deal with a club who can increase his salary by 300% then we have to ask why did we allow ourselves to get into this position yet again? That’s the differential between L1 clubs and Championship. That’s why we can’t do anything about it and why ‘some of our supporters are willing to accept it’ Why doesn't it happen to every other club in L1? If you're out of contract then from January you're allowed to speak to other clubs. If you're not out of contract then you cannot speak to another club without the club accepting an offer first. What I'm saying is that instead of getting to January to extend deals, we should be knowing which of our top players we want to keep. We also have to ask why haven't the club officially announced anything? We did with Lee Brown. Why do we have to find out that our longest serving player & captain will play his last game through a rumour on twitter ffs
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Post by Icegas on May 4, 2019 15:30:18 GMT
It’s not a case or turning around to your boss and saying him over there will give me a 20% raise if you don’t sort my salary out though it’s a case of 300%. We can do that by all means but we will soon be in the position of clubs like Bury and Bolton. It’s a false economy and not an option. If he has negotiated a deal with a club who can increase his salary by 300% then we have to ask why did we allow ourselves to get into this position yet again? Because as a club its like we are sitting on tonnes of oil reserves under our feet but have no Dam digger to get to it! ( our fanbase being the oil) Not a current board bash here as such, as this has been going on for generations.As a pro football club we are run like we are still in the 1970s! Our ground and training faciltys are non league.We have TENTS AS STANDS!!! We are run like a shambles so no wonder players want to leave.How are we going to negotiate good contracts to our clubs players if we cant get the basics right at our club. The way we are run STILL today we will soon find outselfs back in non league sooner the later,but this time without a DC to save us. I thought lessions had been learnt in 2014 !!!!
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Post by neilv93 on May 4, 2019 15:30:39 GMT
Btw if he is leaving on a free due to his contract ended we'd be due a tribunal fee as he's still only 24. Wouldn't be much but academy graduate, club captain and Welsh international so...
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on May 4, 2019 15:32:12 GMT
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/42649584Gutting news. He’s been immense for us over the past 5 years. We’re guessing about his contract as it is undisclosed, but DC is quoted in the article above, when Locks extended his contract (in January 2018) that he was delighted Locks had ‘committed to the club long term’. That to me, suggests a longer contract than 18 months, but I concede that it’s all open to interpretation.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 15:32:31 GMT
If he has negotiated a deal with a club who can increase his salary by 300% then we have to ask why did we allow ourselves to get into this position yet again? Because as a club its like we are sitting on tonnes of oil reserves under our feet but have no f**king digger to get to it! ( our fanbase being the oil) Not a current board bash here as such, as this has been going on for generations.As a pro football club we are run like we are still in the 1970s! Our ground and training faciltys are non league.We have TENTS AS STANDS!!! We are run like a shambles so no wonder players want to leave.How are we going to negotiate good contracts to our clubs players if we cant get the basics right at our club. The way we are run STILL today we will soon find outselfs back in non league sooner the later,but this time without a DC to save us. I thought lessions had been learnt in 2014 !!!! Nonsense
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Post by gasheadbatesy on May 4, 2019 15:35:49 GMT
Excellent news. Proper captain in and a proper c.b or 2 incoming I’d hope. Get gone.
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Post by Icegas on May 4, 2019 15:37:41 GMT
Because as a club its like we are sitting on tonnes of oil reserves under our feet but have no f**king digger to get to it! ( our fanbase being the oil) Not a current board bash here as such, as this has been going on for generations.As a pro football club we are run like we are still in the 1970s! Our ground and training faciltys are non league.We have TENTS AS STANDS!!! We are run like a shambles so no wonder players want to leave.How are we going to negotiate good contracts to our clubs players if we cant get the basics right at our club. The way we are run STILL today we will soon find outselfs back in non league sooner the later,but this time without a DC to save us. I thought lessions had been learnt in 2014 !!!! Nonsense Thanks, but why? We are run like a mess still in many areas of our club.
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Post by singupgas on May 4, 2019 15:40:27 GMT
Again embarrassing from the club if the fans hear first from 20pence.
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