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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 8:33:00 GMT
Running a woman's team at a decent level costs money that the club hasn't got,and adds nothing to the first team . Sorry , not a PC statement but I think it is over hyped by the media, Alex Scott just trots out cliche's and is eye candy, and if it was as good as people claim it to be, more people would turn up to watch it.
Ignore the gender and simply judge what you are watching compared to mens or boys football. Once you do that, you won't watch it again.Why would i compare it with the man's game, they are two completely different types of football "Running a woman's team at a decent level costs money that the club hasn't got,and adds nothing to the first team . " You could use that same argument to compare Rovers to a club like, say Barcelona! Let's be honest the two clubs play football from different planets don't they! But we still go and watch Rovers don't we! Rovers is a different type of football compared to Barcelona. Women play a different type of football compared to Men. In reality, can you not spot the similarities?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 9:06:47 GMT
Why would i compare it with the man's game, they are two completely different types of football "Running a woman's team at a decent level costs money that the club hasn't got,and adds nothing to the first team . " You could use that same argument to compare Rovers to a club like, say Barcelona! Let's be honest the two clubs play football from different planets don't they! But we still go and watch Rovers don't we! Rovers is a different type of football compared to Barcelona. Women play a different type of football compared to Men. In reality, can you not spot the similarities? Agree that clubs like Rovers are a million miles away from the likes of Barcelona. But at league one and two if properly run teams are self sufficient and can support professional football. The women's game cannot support professional football unless propped up by income generated from the men's game - in the UK anyway.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 9:09:28 GMT
"Running a woman's team at a decent level costs money that the club hasn't got,and adds nothing to the first team . " You could use that same argument to compare Rovers to a club like, say Barcelona! Let's be honest the two clubs play football from different planets don't they! But we still go and watch Rovers don't we! Rovers is a different type of football compared to Barcelona. Women play a different type of football compared to Men. In reality, can you not spot the similarities? Agree that clubs like Rovers are a million miles away from the likes of Barcelona. But at league one and two if properly run teams are self sufficient and can support professional football. The women's game cannot support professional football unless propped up by income generated from the men's game - in the UK anyway. It just needs time to develop. you cannot expect it to be fully self-sufficient at the moment.
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Post by chewbacca on May 24, 2019 9:19:06 GMT
"Running a woman's team at a decent level costs money that the club hasn't got,and adds nothing to the first team . " You could use that same argument to compare Rovers to a club like, say Barcelona! Let's be honest the two clubs play football from different planets don't they! But we still go and watch Rovers don't we! Rovers is a different type of football compared to Barcelona. Women play a different type of football compared to Men. In reality, can you not spot the similarities? Agree that clubs like Rovers are a million miles away from the likes of Barcelona. But at league one and two if properly run teams are self sufficient and can support professional football. The women's game cannot support professional football unless propped up by income generated from the men's game - in the UK anyway. Rovers lost more in last seasons reports than all WSL teams put together... Both first and second tier.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 9:22:50 GMT
Agree that clubs like Rovers are a million miles away from the likes of Barcelona. But at league one and two if properly run teams are self sufficient and can support professional football. The women's game cannot support professional football unless propped up by income generated from the men's game - in the UK anyway. It just needs time to develop. you cannot expect it to be fully self-sufficient at the moment. Agree but with the gender equality focus at the moment there has been too much of a rush to become professional. I was reading an article about the women's player of the year the other day moaning about wage inequality but the huge salaries in the men's game has been driven by TV revenues and I don't think the women's game will ever get to that stage. It's just simple supply and demand - look at tennis and the demand for tickets. The women's game is highly skilled (interestingly they get paid more than the men) but there just isn't the same demand by TV viewers and spectators. You only have to look at the price the respective Wimbledon final ticket prices reach on the black market to see that.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 9:26:06 GMT
Agree that clubs like Rovers are a million miles away from the likes of Barcelona. But at league one and two if properly run teams are self sufficient and can support professional football. The women's game cannot support professional football unless propped up by income generated from the men's game - in the UK anyway. Rovers lost more in last seasons reports than all WSL teams put together... Both first and second tier. That's why I said if run properly. We're running up debts due to the owners inability to provide a stadium capable of producing decent income streams. Professional men's football is clearly sustainable and capable of standing on its own feet otherwise teams would be going bust left right and centre and the league down to 30 or 40 clubs.
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Post by chewbacca on May 24, 2019 9:26:44 GMT
It just needs time to develop. you cannot expect it to be fully self-sufficient at the moment. Agree but with the gender equality focus at the moment there has been too much of a rush to become professional. I was reading an article about the women's player of the year the other day moaning about wage inequality but the huge salaries in the men's game has been driven by TV revenues and I don't think the women's game will ever get to that stage. It's just simple supply and demand - look at tennis and the demand for tickets. The women's game is highly skilled (interestingly they get paid more than the men) but there just isn't the same demand by TV viewers and spectators. You only have to look at the price the respective Wimbledon final ticket prices reach on the black market to see that. This I do agree with, as do many players I speak too. Certain players benefit from being semi-pro, it allows them to do other jobs that suit around the game. I know "pros" at some clubs were on month to month contracts and were let go for getting injuries of 4+ weeks. There was no need for the top flight to go pro, if you can call it that in some cases.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 9:27:18 GMT
It just needs time to develop. you cannot expect it to be fully self-sufficient at the moment. Agree but with the gender equality focus at the moment there has been too much of a rush to become professional. I was reading an article about the women's player of the year the other day moaning about wage inequality but the huge salaries in the men's game has been driven by TV revenues and I don't think the women's game will ever get to that stage. It's just simple supply and demand - look at tennis and the demand for tickets. The women's game is highly skilled (interestingly they get paid more than the men) but there just isn't the same demand by TV viewers and spectators. You only have to look at the price the respective Wimbledon final ticket prices reach on the black market to see that. I agree that the women footballers do not deserve the same wages as the men....and that also applies to Tennis !
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 9:29:21 GMT
Agree but with the gender equality focus at the moment there has been too much of a rush to become professional. I was reading an article about the women's player of the year the other day moaning about wage inequality but the huge salaries in the men's game has been driven by TV revenues and I don't think the women's game will ever get to that stage. It's just simple supply and demand - look at tennis and the demand for tickets. The women's game is highly skilled (interestingly they get paid more than the men) but there just isn't the same demand by TV viewers and spectators. You only have to look at the price the respective Wimbledon final ticket prices reach on the black market to see that. This I do agree with, as do many players I speak too. Certain players benefit from being semi-pro, it allows them to do other jobs that suit around the game. I know "pros" at some clubs were on month to month contracts and were let go for getting injuries of 4+ weeks. There was no need for the top flight to go pro, if you can call it that in some cases. I remember Barry Hayles (I think it was him) playing for Stevenage as a semi-pro and holding a full-time job. He had to take a pay cut to join Rovers !
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 9:45:32 GMT
Agree that clubs like Rovers are a million miles away from the likes of Barcelona. But at league one and two if properly run teams are self sufficient and can support professional football. The women's game cannot support professional football unless propped up by income generated from the men's game - in the UK anyway. It just needs time to develop. you cannot expect it to be fully self-sufficient at the moment. Well in that case, with all due respect they need to keep it buttoned for the time being about being paid the same wages/prize money as men! The fact the top players can earn a living from it at all should be a position that is respected by them rather than constantly clamouring for more.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 9:53:10 GMT
It just needs time to develop. you cannot expect it to be fully self-sufficient at the moment. Agree but with the gender equality focus at the moment there has been too much of a rush to become professional. I was reading an article about the women's player of the year the other day moaning about wage inequality but the huge salaries in the men's game has been driven by TV revenues and I don't think the women's game will ever get to that stage. It's just simple supply and demand - look at tennis and the demand for tickets. The women's game is highly skilled (interestingly they get paid more than the men) but there just isn't the same demand by TV viewers and spectators. You only have to look at the price the respective Wimbledon final ticket prices reach on the black market to see that. You mean that Hegerberg? She seems a bit of a fraud to me, complained like hell about inequality between men and women at international level, the norwegian FA made concessions and IiRC the male players stepped in and paid them money out of their own pocket and she STILL refuses to play for them even when there is a World Cup on. Seems to me she is the female Paul Scholes, simply doesn’t fancy the extra hassle of international football and wants to stay at home. She would do well to read a book on economics while the World Cup is on because like you say the money isn’t there to fuel their ridiculous notions of top women players earning £100+k a week. It’s ridiculous.
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Post by chewbacca on May 24, 2019 9:57:46 GMT
It just needs time to develop. you cannot expect it to be fully self-sufficient at the moment. Well in that case, with all due respect they need to keep it buttoned for the time being about being paid the same wages/prize money as men! The fact the top players can earn a living from it at all should be a position that is respected by them rather than constantly clamouring for more. No player I know has ever called for that, what they want is the same treatment when going away with club or country. For instance 2/3 years ago Ireland's women threatened strike action against the FAI for equality when it came to representing their country. At the time they were sharing with the men's youth squads, they would have to make their own way to Dublin airport to play for their country (many are playing in England), and would then when they arrived at destinations have to get their own food and claim back on expenses (some could not afford this and had to pull out of trips). The equal pay thing especially in women's football isn't an issue, no female player who plays in front of 2,000 for Man City expects the same pay as their colleagues. They do however expected the same treatment in regards to things aside from pay which, is totally fair. Wales women's team fought for a decade to get women's cut shirts for instance, England have had them since around 2006. It's basic equality that these girls want.
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Post by chewbacca on May 24, 2019 10:04:42 GMT
Agree but with the gender equality focus at the moment there has been too much of a rush to become professional. I was reading an article about the women's player of the year the other day moaning about wage inequality but the huge salaries in the men's game has been driven by TV revenues and I don't think the women's game will ever get to that stage. It's just simple supply and demand - look at tennis and the demand for tickets. The women's game is highly skilled (interestingly they get paid more than the men) but there just isn't the same demand by TV viewers and spectators. You only have to look at the price the respective Wimbledon final ticket prices reach on the black market to see that. You mean that Hegerberg? She seems a bit of a fraud to me, complained like hell about inequality between men and women at international level, the norwegian FA made concessions and IiRC the male players stepped in and paid them money out of their own pocket and she STILL refuses to play for them even when there is a World Cup on. Seems to me she is the female Paul Scholes, simply doesn’t fancy the extra hassle of international football and wants to stay at home. She would do well to read a book on economics while the World Cup is on because like you say the money isn’t there to fuel their ridiculous notions of top women players earning £100+k a week. It’s ridiculous. The main reason the Hegerberg sisters is insurance levels put forward by the NFF.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 11:14:49 GMT
Well in that case, with all due respect they need to keep it buttoned for the time being about being paid the same wages/prize money as men! The fact the top players can earn a living from it at all should be a position that is respected by them rather than constantly clamouring for more. No player I know has ever called for that, what they want is the same treatment when going away with club or country. For instance 2/3 years ago Ireland's women threatened strike action against the FAI for equality when it came to representing their country. At the time they were sharing with the men's youth squads, they would have to make their own way to Dublin airport to play for their country (many are playing in England), and would then when they arrived at destinations have to get their own food and claim back on expenses (some could not afford this and had to pull out of trips). The equal pay thing especially in women's football isn't an issue, no female player who plays in front of 2,000 for Man City expects the same pay as their colleagues. They do however expected the same treatment in regards to things aside from pay which, is totally fair. Wales women's team fought for a decade to get women's cut shirts for instance, England have had them since around 2006. It's basic equality that these girls want. Well I don’t argue with that at all- seems totally fair. I would just point to my post above about that Hegerberg character, she is the one who seems most vocal on the pay front (and there are minor others like Lewes FC who want the same prize money for the FA cup as for the men’s competition). But in terms of basic treatment then yes, there should be no inequality there at all. That seems very poor in fact to make women play in the same shirts as men.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 11:17:20 GMT
You mean that Hegerberg? She seems a bit of a fraud to me, complained like hell about inequality between men and women at international level, the norwegian FA made concessions and IiRC the male players stepped in and paid them money out of their own pocket and she STILL refuses to play for them even when there is a World Cup on. Seems to me she is the female Paul Scholes, simply doesn’t fancy the extra hassle of international football and wants to stay at home. She would do well to read a book on economics while the World Cup is on because like you say the money isn’t there to fuel their ridiculous notions of top women players earning £100+k a week. It’s ridiculous. The main reason the Hegerberg sisters is insurance levels put forward by the NFF. You mean the potential pay out does not cover the real world cost of having the injury? I guess that makes sense. It would certainly do her more credit to publicise that as the info on the bbc site makes it seem like after all these concessions she still just doesn’t want to play international football which seems poor form for someone in their early 20s when they are (at the moment) currently considered the best player in the woman’s side of the game.
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Post by chewbacca on May 24, 2019 11:18:07 GMT
No player I know has ever called for that, what they want is the same treatment when going away with club or country. For instance 2/3 years ago Ireland's women threatened strike action against the FAI for equality when it came to representing their country. At the time they were sharing with the men's youth squads, they would have to make their own way to Dublin airport to play for their country (many are playing in England), and would then when they arrived at destinations have to get their own food and claim back on expenses (some could not afford this and had to pull out of trips). The equal pay thing especially in women's football isn't an issue, no female player who plays in front of 2,000 for Man City expects the same pay as their colleagues. They do however expected the same treatment in regards to things aside from pay which, is totally fair. Wales women's team fought for a decade to get women's cut shirts for instance, England have had them since around 2006. It's basic equality that these girls want. Well I don’t argue with that at all- seems totally fair. I would just point to my post above about that Hegerberg character, she is the one who seems most vocal on the pay front (and there are minor others like Lewes FC who want the same prize money for the FA cup as for the men’s competition). But in terms of basic treatment then yes, there should be no inequality there at all. That seems very poor in fact to make women play in the same shirts as men. It's things like this that are important believe it or not, this is what is meant by equality...
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 12:27:16 GMT
Well I don’t argue with that at all- seems totally fair. I would just point to my post above about that Hegerberg character, she is the one who seems most vocal on the pay front (and there are minor others like Lewes FC who want the same prize money for the FA cup as for the men’s competition). But in terms of basic treatment then yes, there should be no inequality there at all. That seems very poor in fact to make women play in the same shirts as men. It's things like this that are important believe it or not, this is what is meant by equality...
Yet on the flip side, the womens game actually gets a disproportionate amount of coverage and promotion relative to its interest and engagement.
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Post by chewbacca on May 24, 2019 12:30:52 GMT
It's things like this that are important believe it or not, this is what is meant by equality...
Yet on the flip side, the womens game actually gets a disproportionate amount of coverage and promotion relative to its interest and engagement. Does it? or is it because broadcasters have been priced out of showing other sports? Broadcasters are always going to hype the product they're putting out...
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 10:21:32 GMT
Yet on the flip side, the womens game actually gets a disproportionate amount of coverage and promotion relative to its interest and engagement. Does it? or is it because broadcasters have been priced out of showing other sports? Broadcasters are always going to hype the product they're putting out... I think it does to be fair. As I've mentioned in a previous thread, there seems to be a rush push/agenda on the BBC football website to ensure there's always a main story relating to womens football. Certainly the coverage it receives is far greater than L1 and L2 news which is strange considering the latter generates far more interest and engagement than the former. Given the age we are in, I suspect it's more to do with a proactive, equality of outcome push from Beeb bosses who struggle with the amount of interest mens football generates in portion to the female game. I guess there's an element of promoting the material they are broadcasting but I think it runs deeper. That said, all the very best to females playing football and I'm sure this forthcoming WC will be a great event.
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Post by puregas on May 25, 2019 11:14:20 GMT
They are abysmal pundits too. Trotted out in every sport as a token gesture, and are nearly always horrendously out of their depth. Should always be the best people for the job and not done on a quota basis.
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