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Post by socrates on Aug 19, 2019 6:34:44 GMT
It's pointless to speculate on how it would have been had Coughlan had the whole season because it's fair to say that crap teams fly under the radar. If we had been at the top end of the table we would have been taken far more seriously and that is why I'm not convinced Coughlan is the man for a team with any serious ambition in league one. It isn't the late 80's/early 90's anymore and when teams take you seriously at this level long ball football gets found out because it's rudimentary and playing percentages- giving up possession in the hope that you can win it back further up the pitch. Don't get me wrong, he did a good job to keep us up and I would be confident he could keep us up again playing that brand of football. But teams with better players will always be too smart for us. We struggled to beat sides in the top 6 under both he and DC and Doncaster in particular proved they are light years ahead of a Coughlan team in both thought and deed. We don't even have a pitch fit for long ball football so we will be playing half our games on a surface that helps the opposition to beat us as our home results under both DC and Coughlan attest! I have heard noises that he wants to play with pace etc but I'll believe it when I see it, as an old school centre back I really can't see him blossoming into the lower league Guardiola. We'll sign some big ugly bastards and look to hit the big lad up top early doors or punt it down the channels for someone to chase. For all those who criticise my negativity- I’m not far wrong so far am I? Neither am I. I said we needed pace and creativity and we’ve got neither and so far have struggled.
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Post by simonj on Aug 19, 2019 7:00:20 GMT
I went to Peterborough that first game of the season under Trollope after he was trying to sort us out after Atkins left the season before and we started like this. That day we were 3-0 at half time on the opening day and 17th in February and still went up. Cogs has got my support still as long as he installs width into the side, drops the diamond and stops talking rubbish about going gung ho. He deserves till the end of September, if we are bottom 4 then and still playing like this then I think he has to go. A lot of winnable games coming up, we have to believe Dunne and Mayer will inspire him and help the team as well. Stick with Cogs . Agree with this, give until end of Sept. If its dire to watch and no results we need not delay, if he gets something somehow to click say no more. Until then we need to hope and hope. Saturdays line up I would have chosen (Rodman over Bennett aside). In my view we started with the players, so holy sh1t what is wrong with them?
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 19, 2019 7:40:25 GMT
I went to Peterborough that first game of the season under Trollope after he was trying to sort us out after Atkins left the season before and we started like this. That day we were 3-0 at half time on the opening day and 17th in February and still went up. Cogs has got my support still as long as he installs width into the side, drops the diamond and stops talking rubbish about going gung ho. He deserves till the end of September, if we are bottom 4 then and still playing like this then I think he has to go. A lot of winnable games coming up, we have to believe Dunne and Mayer will inspire him and help the team as well. Stick with Cogs . Agree with this, give until end of Sept. If its dire to watch and no results we need not delay, if he gets something somehow to click say no more. Until then we need to hope and hope. Saturdays line up I would have chosen (Rodman over Bennett aside). In my view we started with the players, so holy sh1t what is wrong with them? Rodman was injured saturday apparently
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Post by cj on Aug 19, 2019 8:29:27 GMT
I went to Peterborough that first game of the season under Trollope after he was trying to sort us out after Atkins left the season before and we started like this. That day we were 3-0 at half time on the opening day and 17th in February and still went up. Cogs has got my support still as long as he installs width into the side, drops the diamond and stops talking rubbish about going gung ho. He deserves till the end of September, if we are bottom 4 then and still playing like this then I think he has to go. A lot of winnable games coming up, we have to believe Dunne and Mayer will inspire him and help the team as well. Stick with Cogs . I would go one further. I know it wont be a popular idea this but I would give him until the start of December.
Whats the point of letting him go at start of September? Whoever comes in will have the same squad to deal with and the same issues.
May as well let GC continue to try to get the best out of the players and if come start of December we are still struggling then let him go.
It will take 2 weeks to get in someone else and they then have 2 weeks to assess the team and he will then have the full month of January at his disposal to make the necessary changes needed to save us.
End of the day, Blackpool was always going to be a tough start away as they are a club on a massive high. They are doing well already. Coventry away was going to be a tough game too. They have a very good squad. Wycombe at home, we started too defensive with our line up. And Victors shot that came off the post and went across goal and span out for a goal kick was extremely unfortunate and I reckon about 99% of the time that would have span in. Remember, our only real goal threat is JCH who hasnt had a pre season. He will take time to get to his best. Also THD was a handful down our left side and we miss him too. I reckon we have a good squad, missing some pace on the wing but really I think most of us was happy with the line up at Coventry. Yet we failed to get a shot on target. I think we need to give time to GC as he earnt that right last season. Just to September is not enough. Give him until December. That makes sense.
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Post by hollyhillgas on Aug 19, 2019 8:55:41 GMT
Cogs got lucky with JCH, just like Graydon did with Rammel. Don't like the way he seems to discard players, seems Rodman has gone that way now.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Aug 19, 2019 9:21:21 GMT
Cogs got lucky with JCH, just like Graydon did with Rammel. Don't like the way he seems to discard players, seems Rodman has gone that way now. Rodman is made of polystyrene and is injured.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Aug 19, 2019 9:25:00 GMT
Cogs got lucky with JCH, just like Graydon did with Rammel. Don't like the way he seems to discard players, seems Rodman has gone that way now. Surely that's the nature of all transfers? It's a lottery and there's no guarantees with any new players, even if you pay a decent fee for them. Managers get a lot of stick for poor signings, but should at least get credit when they find a good one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 9:39:34 GMT
Cogs got lucky with JCH, just like Graydon did with Rammel. Don't like the way he seems to discard players, seems Rodman has gone that way now. Surely that's the nature of all transfers? It's a lottery and there's no guarantees with any new players, even if you pay a decent fee for them. Managers get a lot of stick for poor signings, but should at least get credit when they find a good one. Exactly. I'm not his biggest fan but he deserves huge credit for the JCH signing. If we criticise poor signings then we must also praise good ones.
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 19, 2019 9:56:10 GMT
Cogs got lucky with JCH, just like Graydon did with Rammel. Don't like the way he seems to discard players, seems Rodman has gone that way now. It was Russell Osman and Kevin Broadhurst that brought Rambo in to keep us up. Personally, I think he needs 4 points from his next 2 games. If he doesn’t win one, then I’m not sure how his position is even tenable. It’s not just the fact that we have lost, but the manner of defeat and the lack of creativity, ability and tactics that have gone in hand with that. Plus the lack of ideas or flexibility to change. If we had lost 2-1 At Cov and Blackpool and got a 1-1 with Wycombe then it would at least suggest we are not far away. But we haven’t scored a league goal yet and had no shots on target on Saturday. Those are the facts and it doesn’t make good reading.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 19, 2019 10:27:47 GMT
Cogs got lucky with JCH, just like Graydon did with Rammel. Don't like the way he seems to discard players, seems Rodman has gone that way now. How did he get lucky he knew JCH from coaching him previously luck didn't come into it, as far as discarding players not sure any of us are disappointed at the departures.
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Post by axegas on Aug 19, 2019 11:03:39 GMT
He came across the Irish Sea To take over from the legend DC He saved us from succumbing to the drop And now he’s taking us to the top.
Unearthed JCH, what a gem. Got him scoring goals at the mem. Ok, the football might not be great. But be at Tranmere and don’t be late!
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Post by pirate on Aug 19, 2019 11:14:54 GMT
Cogs got lucky with JCH, just like Graydon did with Rammel. Don't like the way he seems to discard players, seems Rodman has gone that way now. It was Russell Osman and Kevin Broadhurst that brought Rambo in to keep us up. Ian Atkins was in the background doing most of the recruitment during the caretaker stewardship of Broadhurst and Osman.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Aug 19, 2019 11:21:13 GMT
He came across the Irish Sea To take over from the legend DC He saved us from succumbing to the drop And now he’s taking us to the top. Unearthed JCH, what a gem. Got him scoring goals at the mem. Ok, the football might not be great. But be at Tranmere and don’t be late! Or.... Promised pace and power just wait and see Few shots on target, and no goals in three Last season is gone and fans are fickle When you need a goal, and on comes Tom Nichols… JCH will help, but he needs to get fit By the time he does we could be deep in the sh1t Three defensive midfielders is not going to do So set up to attack and hope Tranmere are poo
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Post by hollyhillgas on Aug 19, 2019 11:30:21 GMT
It was Russell Osman and Kevin Broadhurst that brought Rambo in to keep us up. Ian Atkins was in the background doing most of the recruitment during the caretaker stewardship of Broadhurst and Osman. Andy Rammel was the season before. Graydon got him from Wycombe. Rammel played for Walsall when Graydon was manager, probably the reason why Graydon was successful there. I remember Rambo giving basic instructions to players, just showed the lack of coaching.
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Post by pirate on Aug 19, 2019 11:43:58 GMT
Ian Atkins was in the background doing most of the recruitment during the caretaker stewardship of Broadhurst and Osman. Andy Rammel was the season before. Graydon got him from Wycombe. Rammel played for Walsall when Graydon was manager, probably the reason why Graydon was successful there. I remember Rambo giving basic instructions to players, just showed the lack of coaching. Yes, it was Graydon that brought in Rammell. I was just pointing out that during the Osman and Broadhurst reign it was Atkins doing most of the recruitment, but just a shame he couldn't man manage or get the best out of them...it was basically his squad that got us promoted under the stewardship of Trolls and Lennie. The Graydon spell was dire, but he had to make massive cutbacks and reduced the wage bill dramatically.
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Post by roosty56 on Aug 19, 2019 11:50:22 GMT
5 words...Give the man a chance!!!
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Post by chewbacca on Aug 19, 2019 11:51:07 GMT
He came across the Irish Sea To take over from the legend DC He saved us from succumbing to the drop And now he’s taking us to the top. Unearthed JCH, what a gem. Got him scoring goals at the mem. Ok, the football might not be great. But be at Tranmere and don’t be late! There once was a gaffer called GC, He set up his team defensively, Everyone behind the ball, and no goals at all, Everyone got bored and died-ly.
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Post by baggins on Aug 19, 2019 12:28:43 GMT
He came across the Irish Sea To take over from the legend DC He saved us from succumbing to the drop And now he’s taking us to the top. Unearthed JCH, what a gem. Got him scoring goals at the mem. Ok, the football might not be great. But be at Tranmere and don’t be late! There once was a gaffer called GC, He set up his team defensively, Everyone behind the ball, and no goals at all, Everyone got bored and died-ly.
On a break?
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Post by toddy1953 on Aug 19, 2019 12:31:15 GMT
Agree with this, give until end of Sept. If its dire to watch and no results we need not delay, if he gets something somehow to click say no more. Until then we need to hope and hope. Saturdays line up I would have chosen (Rodman over Bennett aside). In my view we started with the players, so holy sh1t what is wrong with them? Rodman was injured saturday apparently I hope it’s not trouble with his insoles again, that could be another 3/4 months out.
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Post by betterdeadthaninbred on Aug 19, 2019 16:43:20 GMT
People are saying you can’t judge Coughlan on just half a season, therefore I would suggest we don’t judge JCH on just half a season? He was exceptional for us in that time, but can he keep that standard? Hopefully at the moment he is nowhere near being match fit because if he is close to match fitness, his attitude and effort at the moment is terrible IMO. Hope he proves to be the player he was last season, because at the moment we are desperate for it
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