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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 14:45:06 GMT
Thanks Holmes. If I was training those blue eyed bantamweights they would float like a butterfly and sting like a bee. Not stand in the middle of the ring beating their chest and inviting someone to punch their lights out. Well that is a first, sadly, swissgas who until now has been above all that and has had all of our respect, showing he is as bad as the rest of us, and that he apparently knows little about what could happen. I don’t think you’re in any position to cast aspersions on anyone. You made a big song and dance about how you were going to take our esteemed president to task at the AGM, how did that go in the end? What answers did you get?
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Post by burnthewitch on Jun 15, 2019 14:52:25 GMT
I am convinced that Dwane Sports do not know what they are doing. They will not suffer losses like the last couple of years indefinitely. So something will have to give at some stage. Without anything concrete coming from our owners - you would probably end up with endless speculation and rumour. Page 19. Of just this thread. You have to remember that the ALQ family, even if you feel that Wael isn’t the brains of the operation is worth something like £400m. They will not simply throw away money and part of their bank will have an investments arm with hundreds of connections to people who may be looking to do something. The concrete you are looking for is a solid plan in drawing form with all parties agreed. Wael has stated several times that although we are not at that stage that we are in discussions now with a new site having had the UWE collapse.
That isn’t hoaxing by a few supporters who want to be in the know. That’s from what our owner has publicly said and the rumours that are going around are being leaked from 2 people with access to the boardroom which seem to have a lot of foundation, however it must be said, with a very strange motive for doing so. 1. I think his credibility is shot after a series of material inconsistencies around (specifically) plans to redevelop the Memorial Stadium and plans to build a Category 2 Training Facility. I just don't believe a word he says. If I've been lied to twice, why should I believe anything in the future coming from him? 2. If someone is trying to agitate - then I guess their motive is an attempt to still get something moving with UWE? I don't know. It's dead - isn't it? Mind you Wael said that the UWE was utterly dead and there was now chance of resurrecting the deal back in September 2017. That was also proven to be a lie. A little honesty would go a long way.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 15, 2019 15:02:41 GMT
You have to remember that the ALQ family, even if you feel that Wael isn’t the brains of the operation is worth something like £400m. They will not simply throw away money and part of their bank will have an investments arm with hundreds of connections to people who may be looking to do something. The concrete you are looking for is a solid plan in drawing form with all parties agreed. Wael has stated several times that although we are not at that stage that we are in discussions now with a new site having had the UWE collapse.
That isn’t hoaxing by a few supporters who want to be in the know. That’s from what our owner has publicly said and the rumours that are going around are being leaked from 2 people with access to the boardroom which seem to have a lot of foundation, however it must be said, with a very strange motive for doing so. 1. I think his credibility is shot after a series of material inconsistencies around (specifically) plans to redevelop the Memorial Stadium and plans to build a Category 2 Training Facility. I just don't believe a word he says. If I've been lied to twice, why should I believe anything in the future coming from him? 2. If someone is trying to agitate - then I guess their motive is an attempt to still get something moving with UWE? I don't know. It's dead - isn't it? Mind you Wael said that the UWE was utterly dead and there was now chance of resurrecting the deal back in September 2017. That was also proven to be a lie. A little honesty would go a long way. I don’t remember him saying we were definitely going to redevelop the Mem, only that it was a possibility to look at. Whilst there was a plan initially to do the training ground, the plan has changed and Wael has also stated that developing the training ground has to be done along side the stadium. I don’t see where the lies are? The UWE was dead, and it wasn’t the club or the ALQs that resurrected it, but Ed Ware who spent his own money on behalf of the club trying to get it over the line only for UWE to pull out. In developments plans stutter, stop and change all the time for various reasons. It doesn’t mean anyone is lying.
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Post by swissgas on Jun 15, 2019 15:18:15 GMT
I am convinced that Dwane Sports do not know what they are doing. They will not suffer losses like the last couple of years indefinitely. So something will have to give at some stage. Without anything concrete coming from our owners - you would probably end up with endless speculation and rumour. Page 19. Of just this thread. You have to remember that the ALQ family, even if you feel that Wael isn’t the brains of the operation is worth something like £400m. They will not simply throw away money and part of their bank will have an investments arm with hundreds of connections to people who may be looking to do something. The concrete you are looking for is a solid plan in drawing form with all parties agreed. Wael has stated several times that although we are not at that stage that we are in discussions now with a new site having had the UWE collapse. That isn’t hoaxing by a few supporters who want to be in the know. That’s from what our owner has publicly said and the rumours that are going around are being leaked from 2 people with access to the boardroom which seem to have a lot of foundation, however it must be said, with a very strange motive for doing so. Where does the 400 million come from ? According to public records the nominal combined value of the family’s stake in AJIB and METICO (Four Seasons Hotel Amman) is about 95 million.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 15, 2019 15:32:20 GMT
You have to remember that the ALQ family, even if you feel that Wael isn’t the brains of the operation is worth something like £400m. They will not simply throw away money and part of their bank will have an investments arm with hundreds of connections to people who may be looking to do something. The concrete you are looking for is a solid plan in drawing form with all parties agreed. Wael has stated several times that although we are not at that stage that we are in discussions now with a new site having had the UWE collapse. That isn’t hoaxing by a few supporters who want to be in the know. That’s from what our owner has publicly said and the rumours that are going around are being leaked from 2 people with access to the boardroom which seem to have a lot of foundation, however it must be said, with a very strange motive for doing so. Where does the 400 million come from ? According to public records the nominal combined value of the family’s stake in AJIB and METICO (Four Seasons Hotel Amman) is about 95 million. www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rich-list-how-wealth-bristol-3330
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 15, 2019 15:35:10 GMT
1. I think his credibility is shot after a series of material inconsistencies around (specifically) plans to redevelop the Memorial Stadium and plans to build a Category 2 Training Facility. I just don't believe a word he says. If I've been lied to twice, why should I believe anything in the future coming from him? 2. If someone is trying to agitate - then I guess their motive is an attempt to still get something moving with UWE? I don't know. It's dead - isn't it? Mind you Wael said that the UWE was utterly dead and there was now chance of resurrecting the deal back in September 2017. That was also proven to be a lie. A little honesty would go a long way. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40880638I don’t remember him saying we were definitely going to redevelop the Mem, only that it was a possibility to look at. Whilst there was a plan initially to do the training ground, the plan has changed and Wael has also stated that developing the training ground has to be done along side the stadium. I don’t see where the lies are? The UWE was dead, and it wasn’t the club or the ALQs that resurrected it, but Ed Ware who spent his own money on behalf of the club trying to get it over the line only for UWE to pull out. In developments plans stutter, stop and change all the time for various reasons. It doesn’t mean anyone is lying. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40880638
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Post by swissgas on Jun 15, 2019 15:52:04 GMT
Got to be careful replying to you Topper, it might get me in to trouble again But the Bristol Post article is absolute twaddle. It says they are making an educated guess at 400 million but provides nothing to back that up. The nominal value of the shares in AJIB and METICO is listed on the Amman stock exchange and combined comes to 95 million.
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Post by axegas on Jun 15, 2019 16:04:28 GMT
Got to be careful replying to you Topper, it might get me in to trouble again But the Bristol Post article is absolute twaddle. It says they are making an educated guess at 400 million but provides nothing to back that up. The nominal value of the shares in AJIB and METICO is listed on the Amman stock exchange and combined comes to 95 million. Does the 95 million estimate take into account the 12 subsidiary companies that AJIB holds shares in or the value of the operations of HSBC in Jordan? Also I read somewhere that Hani owns quite a few small businesses in Amman itself. The value of shareholding’s that the family possesses doesn’t really count for much, what does is the dividend yield of those shares and that’s something that is pretty hard to speculate on.
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Post by swissgas on Jun 15, 2019 17:07:38 GMT
Got to be careful replying to you Topper, it might get me in to trouble again But the Bristol Post article is absolute twaddle. It says they are making an educated guess at 400 million but provides nothing to back that up. The nominal value of the shares in AJIB and METICO is listed on the Amman stock exchange and combined comes to 95 million. Does the 95 million estimate take into account the 12 subsidiary companies that AJIB holds shares in or the value of the operations of HSBC in Jordan? Also I read somewhere that Hani owns quite a few small businesses in Amman itself. The value of shareholding’s that the family possesses doesn’t really count for much, what does is the dividend yield of those shares and that’s something that is pretty hard to speculate on. Yes it does take all subsidiaries of AJIB into account. And the dividend yield is also a matter of public record so we know it is about 4.5 million per year covering all family holdings. I am not trying to be unhelpful but I don’t think it does anyone any good to either wildly overestimate or widely underestimate the figures. Knowall posted yesterday that he thinks I apparently know little about what could happen. In reality we both know what could happen which is that the Mem could be sold to to repay the loan, as Brighton’s ground was in 1997, leaving us homeless. Wael stood up at the AGM and apparently got a little agitated saying people are trying to undermine him which, IMO, should be of concern to those who still have faith in him because it is a sign he may be losing control. It is not Wael who makes the pledge of continuing financial support in the accounts it is Hani. And I doubt Hani would be at all perturbed by someone posting facts about the family shareholding values and trying to get to the root of the issue because he would understand that anyone genuinely concerned about the fate of something they cared for would want to do this. As I have been posting for many months now, the key player is Hani Al Qadi and someone on behalf of Rovers, which includes fans, minority shareholders, staff, SC, PC, Community Trust, corporate supporters, and local elected representatives, needs to get close to Hani and work out a viable solution. Because although knowall and others (including me) may upset fans on this forum by posting our concerns we are doing it for genuine reasons. Take a step back and ask yourself whether it is likely that anyone would ever not sell an asset to recoup their debt and whether, if it was your home that was at stake, you personally would rely on a vague promise from Wael that “everything will be all right”.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Jun 15, 2019 17:50:17 GMT
Round round baby round round Spend the night on me I dont need no man Got my kicks for free.........
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Post by burnthewitch on Jun 15, 2019 17:53:29 GMT
1. I think his credibility is shot after a series of material inconsistencies around (specifically) plans to redevelop the Memorial Stadium and plans to build a Category 2 Training Facility. I just don't believe a word he says. If I've been lied to twice, why should I believe anything in the future coming from him? 2. If someone is trying to agitate - then I guess their motive is an attempt to still get something moving with UWE? I don't know. It's dead - isn't it? Mind you Wael said that the UWE was utterly dead and there was now chance of resurrecting the deal back in September 2017. That was also proven to be a lie. A little honesty would go a long way. I don’t remember him saying we were definitely going to redevelop the Mem, only that it was a possibility to look at. Whilst there was a plan initially to do the training ground, the plan has changed and Wael has also stated that developing the training ground has to be done along side the stadium. I don’t see where the lies are? The UWE was dead, and it wasn’t the club or the ALQs that resurrected it, but Ed Ware who spent his own money on behalf of the club trying to get it over the line only for UWE to pull out. In developments plans stutter, stop and change all the time for various reasons. It doesn’t mean anyone is lying. Plan B was to redevelop the Memorial Stadium - with people who have built "not 4 or 5 but a dozen world class stadiums" (I paraphrase). Did you not hear the interview? Or are you re-writing history to suit your own narrative? I gave them time. I wrote to a couple of people on the Board asking for details of these people / companies involved with the redevelopment and got a resounding silence. It was a lie. They lied to give themselves breathing space after the initial UWE collapse and hoped people would forget. They must think we are stupid. We will have to agree to differ on that one. Right - the Training Facility. "If" the Training Facility was contingent with a new Stadium - why weren't we told at the time that the Colony was (quite literally) being put out to grass when UWE collapsed. They even hired consultants to get the Colony 'moving'. Spoof! Tell them some lies and hope they'll forget. As for the UWE stuff - earlier in this thread you defended Dwane Sports for their pursuance of UWE right up until Feb of this year. Now you are saying it was Ed Ware and his money. When Wael gave that awful interview (which one you may ask) to Twentyman HE claimed that it was HIS efforts to get it over the line. Someone is lying. Sorry to rant. We all want what is best for Bristol Rovers. But I get angry when I am lied to repeatedly and am then asked to show that same person the benefit of doubt and to be patient. Not having it.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jun 15, 2019 18:46:58 GMT
I don’t remember him saying we were definitely going to redevelop the Mem, only that it was a possibility to look at. Whilst there was a plan initially to do the training ground, the plan has changed and Wael has also stated that developing the training ground has to be done along side the stadium. I don’t see where the lies are? The UWE was dead, and it wasn’t the club or the ALQs that resurrected it, but Ed Ware who spent his own money on behalf of the club trying to get it over the line only for UWE to pull out. In developments plans stutter, stop and change all the time for various reasons. It doesn’t mean anyone is lying. Plan B was to redevelop the Memorial Stadium - with people who have built "not 4 or 5 but a dozen world class stadiums" (I paraphrase). Did you not hear the interview? Or are you re-writing history to suit your own narrative? I gave them time. I wrote to a couple of people on the Board asking for details of these people / companies involved with the redevelopment and got a resounding silence. It was a lie. They lied to give themselves breathing space after the initial UWE collapse and hoped people would forget. They must think we are stupid. We will have to agree to differ on that one. Right - the Training Facility. "If" the Training Facility was contingent with a new Stadium - why weren't we told at the time that the Colony was (quite literally) being put out to grass when UWE collapsed. They even hired consultants to get the Colony 'moving'. Spoof! Tell them some lies and hope they'll forget. As for the UWE stuff - earlier in this thread you defended Dwane Sports for their pursuance of UWE right up until Feb of this year. Now you are saying it was Ed Ware and his money. When Wael gave that awful interview (which one you may ask) to Twentyman HE claimed that it was HIS efforts to get it over the line. Someone is lying. Sorry to rant. We all want what is best for Bristol Rovers. But I get angry when I am lied to repeatedly and am then asked to show that same person the benefit of doubt and to be patient. Not having it. They said they would look into redeveloping the mem, as well as other options. They even held a meeting with local residents and businesses, to what type of things they could do there. Think they probably decided it would be better to find a new site. But that obviously takes longer.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 15, 2019 20:24:13 GMT
Plan B was to redevelop the Memorial Stadium - with people who have built "not 4 or 5 but a dozen world class stadiums" (I paraphrase). Did you not hear the interview? Or are you re-writing history to suit your own narrative? I gave them time. I wrote to a couple of people on the Board asking for details of these people / companies involved with the redevelopment and got a resounding silence. It was a lie. They lied to give themselves breathing space after the initial UWE collapse and hoped people would forget. They must think we are stupid. We will have to agree to differ on that one. Right - the Training Facility. "If" the Training Facility was contingent with a new Stadium - why weren't we told at the time that the Colony was (quite literally) being put out to grass when UWE collapsed. They even hired consultants to get the Colony 'moving'. Spoof! Tell them some lies and hope they'll forget. As for the UWE stuff - earlier in this thread you defended Dwane Sports for their pursuance of UWE right up until Feb of this year. Now you are saying it was Ed Ware and his money. When Wael gave that awful interview (which one you may ask) to Twentyman HE claimed that it was HIS efforts to get it over the line. Someone is lying. Sorry to rant. We all want what is best for Bristol Rovers. But I get angry when I am lied to repeatedly and am then asked to show that same person the benefit of doubt and to be patient. Not having it. They said they would look into redeveloping the mem, as well as other options. They even held a meeting with local residents and businesses, to what type of things they could do there. Think they probably decided it would be better to find a new site. But that obviously takes longer. The point the poster was trying to make is why didn't Wael say something like "we'll need to now look into other options including redeveloping the Mem" not simply state that the Mem would be redeveloped. Wael tells us what we want to hear not what is necessarily occurring, I do wonder if that led to Hani funding the colony purchase before he found out the truth to late in the day. I personally don't think he's working on any plans to find a new ground, I just can't see the ALQ's will fund it or at least find investors who will fund it.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jun 15, 2019 21:19:45 GMT
They said they would look into redeveloping the mem, as well as other options. They even held a meeting with local residents and businesses, to what type of things they could do there. Think they probably decided it would be better to find a new site. But that obviously takes longer. The point the poster was trying to make is why didn't Wael say something like "we'll need to now look into other options including redeveloping the Mem" not simply state that the Mem would be redeveloped. Wael tells us what we want to hear not what is necessarily occurring, I do wonder if that led to Hani funding the colony purchase before he found out the truth to late in the day. I personally don't think he's working on any plans to find a new ground, I just can't see the ALQ's will fund it or at least find investors who will fund it. Thought that was what he said lol. I know he did a few different interviewed, but I thought he always said that was one of the options.
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Post by wertongas on Jun 15, 2019 22:04:56 GMT
Got to be careful replying to you Topper, it might get me in to trouble again But the Bristol Post article is absolute twaddle. It says they are making an educated guess at 400 million but provides nothing to back that up. The nominal value of the shares in AJIB and METICO is listed on the Amman stock exchange and combined comes to 95 million. I think Bristol posts valuation comes from the total assets of the bank which are between 1.2and 1.3 billion, of which AQ shares of the bank is about 30 percent, but of course this is stocks and property. Like most owners of a business they are asset rich but not so well off with cash.
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Post by wertongas on Jun 15, 2019 22:38:46 GMT
With regards to the stadium situation the April before the UWE collapse I received a letter from the club saying they were hopeful that UWE would go ahead but it sounded doubtful , the letter said that if it collapsed we would be staying at the Mem and the club would be looking to improve it's amenities which is exactly what happened. A further letter said the club would be improving amenities while continuing to look at developing a new stadium. That is where we are now. The owners wouldn't be putting 17.5 million of credit against the club if they weren't dedicated to taking it forward. I have offered some money towards further improvements to the Mem but it is such a badly designed Stadium, terraces aren't steep enough to put seats on and the temp stands are rented so difficult to put proper roofs on them, also the ground can't be covered because viewing from the Centenay stand would be obstructed. Nothing moves fast at this club as we know from the new display screen, but people are working hard behind the scenes.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 15, 2019 22:45:59 GMT
I don’t remember him saying we were definitely going to redevelop the Mem, only that it was a possibility to look at. Whilst there was a plan initially to do the training ground, the plan has changed and Wael has also stated that developing the training ground has to be done along side the stadium. I don’t see where the lies are? The UWE was dead, and it wasn’t the club or the ALQs that resurrected it, but Ed Ware who spent his own money on behalf of the club trying to get it over the line only for UWE to pull out. In developments plans stutter, stop and change all the time for various reasons. It doesn’t mean anyone is lying. Plan B was to redevelop the Memorial Stadium - with people who have built "not 4 or 5 but a dozen world class stadiums" (I paraphrase). Did you not hear the interview? Or are you re-writing history to suit your own narrative? I gave them time. I wrote to a couple of people on the Board asking for details of these people / companies involved with the redevelopment and got a resounding silence. It was a lie. They lied to give themselves breathing space after the initial UWE collapse and hoped people would forget. They must think we are stupid. We will have to agree to differ on that one. Right - the Training Facility. "If" the Training Facility was contingent with a new Stadium - why weren't we told at the time that the Colony was (quite literally) being put out to grass when UWE collapsed. They even hired consultants to get the Colony 'moving'. Spoof! Tell them some lies and hope they'll forget. As for the UWE stuff - earlier in this thread you defended Dwane Sports for their pursuance of UWE right up until Feb of this year. Now you are saying it was Ed Ware and his money. When Wael gave that awful interview (which one you may ask) to Twentyman HE claimed that it was HIS efforts to get it over the line. Someone is lying. Sorry to rant. We all want what is best for Bristol Rovers. But I get angry when I am lied to repeatedly and am then asked to show that same person the benefit of doubt and to be patient. Not having it. Micheal Cunnah was the man you are referring to when the ALQs took over, who had already seen the plans for the stadium way before the ALQs took over. He was brought in to lead the development once the stadium site had been agreed. Micheal Cunnah was not here to develop the Mem. The training facility that they want cost far more than the budget allowed. Wael says now that is part of the stadium deal once it goes through. Which is why it hasn’t been started yet. DS along with Ed Ware tried to resurrect the UWE. DS worked along side all parties as they wanted the stadium. A deal was agreed. And then UWE reneged on that deal at the 11th hour. I’m not going to tell you the details I have been told as it isn’t my place, but their request was not only unorthodox, but completely astronomical and beyond any form of business sense. If you really want to know, why not try and get the answer from them. His interview with 20man was speaking about his perspective. He will be involved in all the meetings, it’s his club in business title and he wants to build a stadium so of course there is effort on his part. I too once was a sceptic of the ALQ reign. Lots of posters will tell you on here I was far from their biggest fan. However I realise there is an agenda at play, with the fuel to turn people who have a sceptical opinion like you against the owners. Read between the lines and you’ll see it. This same person who lied to you (apparently) has also given everything the last manager wanted, to him. One of the largest squads in the league both first team and U23. One of the largest backroom teams in the league for non paying staff. And commercially has gotten someone in to get us on the front foot for marketing the club properly to help generate income. As well as purchase land for a training ground and actively seek a stadium site for development. If someone was that lazy or that much of a halfwit wouldn’t be able to do any of the above.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 22:53:53 GMT
Plan B was to redevelop the Memorial Stadium - with people who have built "not 4 or 5 but a dozen world class stadiums" (I paraphrase). Did you not hear the interview? Or are you re-writing history to suit your own narrative? I gave them time. I wrote to a couple of people on the Board asking for details of these people / companies involved with the redevelopment and got a resounding silence. It was a lie. They lied to give themselves breathing space after the initial UWE collapse and hoped people would forget. They must think we are stupid. We will have to agree to differ on that one. Right - the Training Facility. "If" the Training Facility was contingent with a new Stadium - why weren't we told at the time that the Colony was (quite literally) being put out to grass when UWE collapsed. They even hired consultants to get the Colony 'moving'. Spoof! Tell them some lies and hope they'll forget. As for the UWE stuff - earlier in this thread you defended Dwane Sports for their pursuance of UWE right up until Feb of this year. Now you are saying it was Ed Ware and his money. When Wael gave that awful interview (which one you may ask) to Twentyman HE claimed that it was HIS efforts to get it over the line. Someone is lying. Sorry to rant. We all want what is best for Bristol Rovers. But I get angry when I am lied to repeatedly and am then asked to show that same person the benefit of doubt and to be patient. Not having it. Micheal Cunnah was the man you are referring to when the ALQs took over, who had already seen the plans for the stadium way before the ALQs took over. He was brought in to lead the development once the stadium site had been agreed. Micheal Cunnah was not here to develop the Mem. The training facility that they want cost far more than the budget allowed. Wael says now that is part of the stadium deal once it goes through. Which is why it hasn’t been started yet. DS along with Ed Ware tried to resurrect the UWE. DS worked along side all parties as they wanted the stadium. A deal was agreed. And then UWE reneged on that deal at the 11th hour. I’m not going to tell you the details I have been told as it isn’t my place, but their request was not only unorthodox, but completely astronomical and beyond any form of business sense. If you really want to know, why not try and get the answer from them. His interview with 20man was speaking about his perspective. He will be involved in all the meetings, it’s his club in business title and he wants to build a stadium so of course there is effort on his part. I too once was a sceptic of the ALQ reign. Lots of posters will tell you on here I was far from their biggest fan. However I realise there is an agenda at play, with the fuel to turn people who have a sceptical opinion like you against the owners. Read between the lines and you’ll see it. This same person who lied to you (apparently) has also given everything the last manager wanted, to him. One of the largest squads in the league both first team and U23. One of the largest backroom teams in the league for non paying staff. And commercially has gotten someone in to get us on the front foot for marketing the club properly to help generate income. As well as purchase land for a training ground and actively seek a stadium site for development. If someone was that lazy or that much of a halfwit wouldn’t be able to do any of the above. If the UWE deal is totally dead forever more what is there to gain by not coming out and being open about why it failed for a second time?
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Post by gonzales on Jun 16, 2019 7:29:12 GMT
If the UWE deal is totally dead forever more what is there to gain by not coming out and being open about why it failed for a second time? Because it tarnishes our own reputation and it puts others off doing business with us.
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Post by curlywurly on Jun 16, 2019 7:56:10 GMT
If the UWE deal is totally dead forever more what is there to gain by not coming out and being open about why it failed for a second time? Because it tarnishes our own reputation and it puts others off doing business with us. Not if gashead1981 is correct that UWE reneged on a deal.
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