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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 14:19:17 GMT
It was nothing to do with how much the ALQs, or any other part were going to get out of the deal. As I said previously, the unorthodox behaviour of he UWE with their take it or leave it terms meant we had to leave it having previously agreed all the terms to move forward, thus wasting months and months of talks and negotiations and the time of many individuals. Not to mention money of those involved. So without going all Jeremy Paxman vs Michael Howard on you... if it was UWE who ultimately screwed us late last year - why have we not been told? This is Wael's "Get out of jail free" card. Why hasn't he playing it? If I was in his shoes I'd be shouting from the rooftops that UWE f*cked us over. He would get his credibility back. And in turn this would get the supporters back on side. If your version of events is true - then that's great. But I don't believe it. As stated previously it’s not attractive to other people you try and work with if you’re shouting the ins and outs of a deal from the roof tops even if it is dead. It’s called being professional and dealing with it the correct way not just bad mouthing people to appease 30 fans on an Internet forum.
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Post by Severncider on Jun 16, 2019 14:24:45 GMT
This is why I was 99.9% confident that UWE would be built. However, there comes a point when you have to walk away from a bad deal. No-one on this thread knows the REAL reason this fell through, not even me. I have accepted it is dead and we now move on to a more fruitful site. Would you admit that stating 99.9% confidence that it will be built, on a public forum, was a tad naive? This club have had more than enough kicks in the teeth to know that no matter how certain a project might seem, it's not done until its done. You may as well say the same about Dwayne Sports and another Consortium who spent a considerable amount of money trying to get the deal done. I can live with outcome, but still believe that it was the right choice at the time.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 16, 2019 14:36:52 GMT
It was nothing to do with how much the ALQs, or any other part were going to get out of the deal. As I said previously, the unorthodox behaviour of he UWE with their take it or leave it terms meant we had to leave it having previously agreed all the terms to move forward, thus wasting months and months of talks and negotiations and the time of many individuals. Not to mention money of those involved. This is why I was 99.9% confident that UWE would be built. However, there comes a point when you have to walk away from a bad deal. No-one on this thread knows the REAL reason this fell through, not even me. I have accepted it is dead and we now move on to a more fruitful site. So if it's more fruitful i.e. a better deal than the UWE why is Knowall getting in a flap about the owners not having plans for the future?
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Post by Jomo on Jun 16, 2019 14:50:07 GMT
Would you admit that stating 99.9% confidence that it will be built, on a public forum, was a tad naive? This club have had more than enough kicks in the teeth to know that no matter how certain a project might seem, it's not done until its done. You may as well say the same about Dwayne Sports and another Consortium who spent a considerable amount of money trying to get the deal done. I can live with outcome, but still believe that it was the right choice at the time. I actually disagree that you could say the same about that. There's a difference between trying to get a deal done, and publically saying you're almost 100% certain that it will be struck.
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Post by Severncider on Jun 16, 2019 14:52:03 GMT
This is why I was 99.9% confident that UWE would be built. However, there comes a point when you have to walk away from a bad deal. No-one on this thread knows the REAL reason this fell through, not even me. I have accepted it is dead and we now move on to a more fruitful site. So if it's more fruitful i.e. a better deal than the UWE why is Knowall getting in a flap about the owners not having plans for the future? I have no idea if another site is better or worse than UWE, only time will tell. As regards Knowall. I think he is stating a fact that the current custodians have no real plans for the future, whereas others might.
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Post by burnthewitch on Jun 16, 2019 15:03:52 GMT
So without going all Jeremy Paxman vs Michael Howard on you... if it was UWE who ultimately screwed us late last year - why have we not been told? This is Wael's "Get out of jail free" card. Why hasn't he playing it? If I was in his shoes I'd be shouting from the rooftops that UWE f*cked us over. He would get his credibility back. And in turn this would get the supporters back on side. If your version of events is true - then that's great. But I don't believe it. As stated previously it’s not attractive to other people you try and work with if you’re shouting the ins and outs of a deal from the roof tops even if it is dead. It’s called being professional and dealing with it the correct way not just bad mouthing people to appease 30 fans on an Internet forum. So... Wael is being ridiculed (by some) and would appear (by some) to have lost all semblance of credibility. He has the chance to save his reputation by stating politely a few facts about why the UWE collapsed. However he chooses to remain silent because he's so 'professional'. Seriously? Sorry, I'm not buying it. I'm open-minded. I really am. But there are some members of the Wael Al-Qadi cult who will not countenance any criticism of him. And given his track record over the last 3 years and non-delivery of new stadium or training ground - that is just weird. BTW I'm not saying Dwane Sports are any worse than previous owners. But I expected so much more from this lot.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Jun 16, 2019 15:32:48 GMT
As stated previously it’s not attractive to other people you try and work with if you’re shouting the ins and outs of a deal from the roof tops even if it is dead. It’s called being professional and dealing with it the correct way not just bad mouthing people to appease 30 fans on an Internet forum. So... Wael is being ridiculed (by some) and would appear (by some) to have lost all semblance of credibility. He has the chance to save his reputation by stating politely a few facts about why the UWE collapsed. However he chooses to remain silent because he's so 'professional'. Seriously? Sorry, I'm not buying it. I'm open-minded. I really am. But there are some members of the Wael Al-Qadi cult who will not countenance any criticism of him. And given his track record over the last 3 years and non-delivery of new stadium or training ground - that is just weird. BTW I'm not saying Dwane Sports are any worse than previous owners. But I expected so much more from this lot. "I'm open-minded. I really am." Going by all of your previous posts, you don't come across that way.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jun 16, 2019 15:59:14 GMT
So... Wael is being ridiculed (by some) and would appear (by some) to have lost all semblance of credibility. He has the chance to save his reputation by stating politely a few facts about why the UWE collapsed. However he chooses to remain silent because he's so 'professional'. Seriously? Sorry, I'm not buying it. I'm open-minded. I really am. But there are some members of the Wael Al-Qadi cult who will not countenance any criticism of him. And given his track record over the last 3 years and non-delivery of new stadium or training ground - that is just weird. BTW I'm not saying Dwane Sports are any worse than previous owners. But I expected so much more from this lot. "I'm open-minded. I really am." Going by all of your previous posts, you don't come across that way. The Wael Al Qadi fan club who won’t hear a bad word against him certainly don’t come across that way either do they?
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Post by swissgas on Jun 16, 2019 16:03:04 GMT
As stated previously it’s not attractive to other people you try and work with if you’re shouting the ins and outs of a deal from the roof tops even if it is dead. It’s called being professional and dealing with it the correct way not just bad mouthing people to appease 30 fans on an Internet forum. So... Wael is being ridiculed (by some) and would appear (by some) to have lost all semblance of credibility. He has the chance to save his reputation by stating politely a few facts about why the UWE collapsed. However he chooses to remain silent because he's so 'professional'. Seriously? Sorry, I'm not buying it. I'm open-minded. I really am. But there are some members of the Wael Al-Qadi cult who will not countenance any criticism of him. And given his track record over the last 3 years and non-delivery of new stadium or training ground - that is just weird. BTW I'm not saying Dwane Sports are any worse than previous owners. But I expected so much more from this lot. It is weird and is also eerily reminiscent of the way Nick Higgs behaved when things were supposed to be going on behind the scenes but he couldn’t talk about it because of NDA’s. It was only later that we found that what had really been going on was that the deal had collapsed, there was nothing else being worked on and Nick was scrambling around blindly running up debt with no idea what he would do next.
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Post by Gassy on Jun 16, 2019 16:07:01 GMT
"I'm open-minded. I really am." Going by all of your previous posts, you don't come across that way. The Wael Al Qadi fan club who won’t hear a bad word against him certainly don’t come across that way either do they? Disagree, even the ones who are behind him have stated on here that Wael & family have made many mistakes and lack of due diligence. They’re/we’re disagreeing with points about people pointing fingers at Wael over UWE and it’s all at the fault of him/BRFC.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 16:14:16 GMT
Dear itk’ers on either side of the fence.If you weren’t present during the talks,you know f all,you merely know what your informants want you to know! The end. edit- your informants probably weren’t there either!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 16:19:10 GMT
It was nothing to do with how much the ALQs, or any other part were going to get out of the deal. As I said previously, the unorthodox behaviour of he UWE with their take it or leave it terms meant we had to leave it having previously agreed all the terms to move forward, thus wasting months and months of talks and negotiations and the time of many individuals. Not to mention money of those involved. This is why I was 99.9% confident that UWE would be built. However, there comes a point when you have to walk away from a bad deal. No-one on this thread knows the REAL reason this fell through, not even me. I have accepted it is dead and we now move on to a more fruitful site. Not even you? Wow you are full of self importance aren’t you? Jesus wept.
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Post by chilly1883 on Jun 16, 2019 16:50:24 GMT
23 pages of absolute nothing 🤦🏽♂️
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Jun 16, 2019 16:54:07 GMT
"I'm open-minded. I really am." Going by all of your previous posts, you don't come across that way. The Wael Al Qadi fan club who won’t hear a bad word against him certainly don’t come across that way either do they? "The Wael Al Qadi fan club who won’t hear a bad word against him certainly don’t come across that way either do they?" Don't know. I haven't come across a Wael All Qadi fan club.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Jun 16, 2019 16:54:53 GMT
23 pages of absolute nothing 🤦🏽♂️ Lmfao, and you sound surprised?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 17:15:46 GMT
So without going all Jeremy Paxman vs Michael Howard on you... if it was UWE who ultimately screwed us late last year - why have we not been told? This is Wael's "Get out of jail free" card. Why hasn't he playing it? If I was in his shoes I'd be shouting from the rooftops that UWE f*cked us over. He would get his credibility back. And in turn this would get the supporters back on side. If your version of events is true - then that's great. But I don't believe it. As stated previously it’s not attractive to other people you try and work with if you’re shouting the ins and outs of a deal from the roof tops even if it is dead. It’s called being professional and dealing with it the correct way not just bad mouthing people to appease 30 fans on an Internet forum. It's also very convenient. Mind you, I'm sure Wael must be as frustrated with these NDA's as the rest of us because he is dying to tell us all about the increased capacity 70,000 BabeStation-Drome (that would knock Spurs stadium into a cocked hat) that he was working on with the UWE only for those nasty rotters in Frenchay to pull the rug out from under him...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 17:18:34 GMT
Would you admit that stating 99.9% confidence that it will be built, on a public forum, was a tad naive? This club have had more than enough kicks in the teeth to know that no matter how certain a project might seem, it's not done until its done. You may as well say the same about Dwayne Sports and another Consortium who spent a considerable amount of money trying to get the deal done. I can live with outcome, but still believe that it was the right choice at the time. Did this other consortium want ownership of the club as part of this deal?
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Jun 16, 2019 17:24:57 GMT
Yes it’s frustrating, of course it is. Being 120 miles away I’m firmly not ITK...and so rely on the clubs owners and employees to divulge what they can. Driving to one of our home games I heard, like the rest of you, our chairman interviewed by GT intimate that the landing lights were on. Since then, to continue the analogy, it appears twice we’ve attempted to land in the same place and got the wheels lowered before the control tower on the patch of land concerned has turned us away. For whatever reason the cabin crew has chosen not to tell us, the passengers, a great deal about why that landing strip ended up inappropriate. They tell us we’re still on the plane and haven’t crashed and burned...so either we trust that or we invent scenarios that suit our own agendas. As I don’t have one other than waiting to watch my team in a new stadium fit for purpose that will secure my favourite team’s future with enough additional revenue streams to reverse the current trend of year on year losses in the millions I’m just pleased they appear to be researching alternative places to land before the fuel runs out...and if that’s in a green belt near a motorway or a brown site, on a former chemical plant, airfield, fruit market etc. I don’t care as long as it’s my team! ...and if it means that our current patch of land turns into a decent leisure hotel/complex (which is something they have been successful at delivering before) then so be it.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 16, 2019 17:37:06 GMT
23 pages of absolute nothing 🤦🏽♂️ Lots of Willy waving by the ITK's
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 16, 2019 17:43:34 GMT
It was nothing to do with how much the ALQs, or any other part were going to get out of the deal. As I said previously, the unorthodox behaviour of he UWE with their take it or leave it terms meant we had to leave it having previously agreed all the terms to move forward, thus wasting months and months of talks and negotiations and the time of many individuals. Not to mention money of those involved. So without going all Jeremy Paxman vs Michael Howard on you... if it was UWE who ultimately screwed us late last year - why have we not been told? This is Wael's "Get out of jail free" card. Why hasn't he playing it? If I was in his shoes I'd be shouting from the rooftops that UWE f*cked us over. He would get his credibility back. And in turn this would get the supporters back on side. If your version of events is true - then that's great. But I don't believe it. What’s the point of bloodying the nose of your opponent once the fight has finished? It achieves nothing, and you never know, we may need them for something in the future. Not everything needs to be turned into a drama or a mud slinging match. In business, the more courteous you are, the better in my experience. Even if there isn’t a meeting of minds. Wael has stated, quite categorically, both in the media and then at the AGM that UWE reneged on the deal they were due to sign. If that is false, then I’m sure UWE would want to defend that an I sure they would have released a statement. The fact they haven’t probably tells you that WAQ is telling the truth. What more could you possibly want to know. The details are really not that important.
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