Marshy
Proper Gas
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Post by Marshy on Jun 17, 2019 8:42:43 GMT
So, the consensus is if you've got an issue with the way the club is run chat to Wael? Ok, great, but why not do what an actual business does and relay the information through the correct channels? To be honest I'm bored of the whole thing. You've got the Waeliacs on one side frothing at the mouth to back their sweet prince, on the other side the Al-Baddies who think everything the owners do is awful. In real terms they're both as divvy as one another and both signing up in one way or another to the cult of personality. Maybe the Al-Qadi's are sh**e, maybe Higgs was sh**e, maybe Ware was sh**e, maybe Dunford was sh**e, maybe Bradshaw was sh**e, maybe Vernon Stokes was sh**e, maybe Martin Flook was sh**e, maybe they're just all sh**e. What a load of sh**e!
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Post by chewbacca on Jun 17, 2019 8:44:24 GMT
So, the consensus is if you've got an issue with the way the club is run chat to Wael? Ok, great, but why not do what an actual business does and relay the information through the correct channels? To be honest I'm bored of the whole thing. You've got the Waeliacs on one side frothing at the mouth to back their sweet prince, on the other side the Al-Baddies who think everything the owners do is awful. In real terms they're both as divvy as one another and both signing up in one way or another to the cult of personality. Maybe the Al-Qadi's are sh**e, maybe Higgs was sh**e, maybe Ware was sh**e, maybe Dunford was sh**e, maybe Bradshaw was sh**e, maybe Vernon Stokes was sh**e, maybe Martin Flook was sh**e, maybe they're just all sh**e. What a load of sh**e! Pretty much, I don't think I've seen a competent owner since Denis Dunford.
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Post by Captain Jayho on Jun 17, 2019 8:46:17 GMT
So, the consensus is if you've got an issue with the way the club is run chat to Wael? Ok, great, but why not do what an actual business does and relay the information through the correct channels? To be honest I'm bored of the whole thing. You've got the Waeliacs on one side frothing at the mouth to back their sweet prince, on the other side the Al-Baddies who think everything the owners do is awful. In real terms they're both as divvy as one another and both signing up in one way or another to the cult of personality. Maybe the Al-Qadi's are sh**e, maybe Higgs was sh**e, maybe Ware was sh**e, maybe Dunford was sh**e, maybe Bradshaw was sh**e, maybe Vernon Stokes was sh**e, maybe Martin Flook was sh**e, maybe they're just all sh**e. Fortunately we have a level head like yourself perched in the middle of the rest of us heathens on either side of you to show us the righteous path. Phew.
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Post by chewbacca on Jun 17, 2019 8:47:51 GMT
So, the consensus is if you've got an issue with the way the club is run chat to Wael? Ok, great, but why not do what an actual business does and relay the information through the correct channels? To be honest I'm bored of the whole thing. You've got the Waeliacs on one side frothing at the mouth to back their sweet prince, on the other side the Al-Baddies who think everything the owners do is awful. In real terms they're both as divvy as one another and both signing up in one way or another to the cult of personality. Maybe the Al-Qadi's are sh**e, maybe Higgs was sh**e, maybe Ware was sh**e, maybe Dunford was sh**e, maybe Bradshaw was sh**e, maybe Vernon Stokes was sh**e, maybe Martin Flook was sh**e, maybe they're just all sh**e. Fortunately we have a level head like yourself perched in the middle of the rest of us heathens on either side of you to show us the righteous path. Phew. I just hate everyone.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 17, 2019 8:59:42 GMT
100% this. Bristol Rovers wanted a 20,000 stadium, to make (one would hope) a small amount of money on an annual basis and to be a sustainable entity in the 21c. Maybe even get to sustainability in the Championship, who knows. Dwane Sports had to find funding, because they can't pay for it themselves. So their investors will have required a return on their investment. The numbers didn't work. In fact I think I've just answered the question I posed to gashead1981 earlier. The reason that we are denied the truth about the UWE collapse - is because the deal was doable. But it didn't give the investors the return they required in the time they wanted it. If supporters realised how close we were to a once in a generation opportunity to acquire a permanent home that was fit for purpose - they would go ballistic - because it failed because bankers weren't able to screw enough money out of the deal. Other versions of events are, I'm sure available. But that one looks good to me. If you would have been happy to hand over 20% of all match day takings plus other bits and pieces, fair enough. I would not have been, but I am just a gashead who is not ITK about a lot, but have known this for a very long time. My source? Someone on high within the other party involved. I have been told exactly that figure too but, that we had to fight to get it down to that percentage as it was a fair bit more, in the deal that was with our previous custodians. Not heard anyone else mention the exact same figure before but I try to avoid this now. What is needed is a strong statement, to put to bed all the rumour, presumption and assumption. It has obviously got to WAQ if he’s telling people not to believe the many different scenarios. Surely, he would come out of it looking much stronger if he did this as us gas are a loyal and largely forgiving bunch, as long as we are not being ignored. We need true leadership right now in my opinion.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 17, 2019 9:00:44 GMT
Fortunately we have a level head like yourself perched in the middle of the rest of us heathens on either side of you to show us the righteous path. Phew. I just hate everyone. I bet you work for the UWE
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 17, 2019 9:11:45 GMT
23 pages of absolute nothing 🤦🏽♂️ It’s what happens when supporters are given no tangible facts. I am not saying we need to know intricate detail but at least don’t give us the mushroom treatment. A brief and factual statement would stop this, I am pretty sure.
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Post by Gassy on Jun 17, 2019 9:15:39 GMT
23 pages of absolute nothing 🤦🏽♂️ It’s what happens when supporters are given no tangible facts. I am not saying we need to know intricate detail but at least don’t give us the mushroom treatment. A brief and factual statement would stop this, I am pretty sure. Actually, I believe saying nothing would keep things quieter. If he came out with a statement that wasn't announcing a new site & stadium plans, people will be just as p*ssed off, if not more so as they wouldn't be happy with what he would say. Out of curiosity though, you say you want a statement - what do you want it to state? Factual statements on what exactly?
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 17, 2019 9:16:36 GMT
Dear itk’ers on either side of the fence.If you weren’t present during the talks,you know f all,you merely know what your informants want you to know! The end. edit- your informants probably weren’t there either! I’d like to know about this so called agenda, against the owners. What I see are supporters who are highly frustrated with the huge losses but nothing to show for it. Did anyone believe we could lose more under DS that the previous custodians ?
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Post by matealotblue on Jun 17, 2019 9:19:33 GMT
23 pages of absolute nothing 🤦🏽♂️ It’s what happens when supporters are given no tangible facts. I am not saying we need to know intricate detail but at least don’t give us the mushroom treatment. A brief and factual statement would stop this, I am pretty sure. Not sure it would KP tbh. No matter which way he says it there will always be alternative point of view/argument and it will be aired ad nauseum on this forum.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 17, 2019 9:31:21 GMT
It’s what happens when supporters are given no tangible facts. I am not saying we need to know intricate detail but at least don’t give us the mushroom treatment. A brief and factual statement would stop this, I am pretty sure. Actually, I believe saying nothing would keep things quieter. If he came out with a statement that wasn't announcing a new site & stadium plans, people will be just as p*ssed off, if not more so as they wouldn't be happy with what he would say. Out of curiosity though, you say you want a statement - what do you want it to state? Factual statements on what exactly? I would like him to explain why the car park has gone up from £130/season to £170/season for no tangible improvement to said car park
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Post by matealotblue on Jun 17, 2019 9:34:46 GMT
Actually, I believe saying nothing would keep things quieter. If he came out with a statement that wasn't announcing a new site & stadium plans, people will be just as p*ssed off, if not more so as they wouldn't be happy with what he would say. Out of curiosity though, you say you want a statement - what do you want it to state? Factual statements on what exactly? I would like him to explain why the car park has gone up from £130/season to £170/season for no tangible improvement to said car park The Fruit Market won’t come cheap.....🤭
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Post by chewbacca on Jun 17, 2019 9:43:56 GMT
Actually, I believe saying nothing would keep things quieter. If he came out with a statement that wasn't announcing a new site & stadium plans, people will be just as p*ssed off, if not more so as they wouldn't be happy with what he would say. Out of curiosity though, you say you want a statement - what do you want it to state? Factual statements on what exactly? I would like him to explain why the car park has gone up from £130/season to £170/season for no tangible improvement to said car park UK inflation stands at 30%.
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Post by piratesquarters on Jun 17, 2019 9:45:40 GMT
It’s what happens when supporters are given no tangible facts. I am not saying we need to know intricate detail but at least don’t give us the mushroom treatment. A brief and factual statement would stop this, I am pretty sure. Actually, I believe saying nothing would keep things quieter. If he came out with a statement that wasn't announcing a new site & stadium plans, people will be just as p*ssed off, if not more so as they wouldn't be happy with what he would say. Out of curiosity though, you say you want a statement - what do you want it to state? Factual statements on what exactly? Yes silence is golden.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 17, 2019 10:20:50 GMT
It’s what happens when supporters are given no tangible facts. I am not saying we need to know intricate detail but at least don’t give us the mushroom treatment. A brief and factual statement would stop this, I am pretty sure. Actually, I believe saying nothing would keep things quieter. If he came out with a statement that wasn't announcing a new site & stadium plans, people will be just as p*ssed off, if not more so as they wouldn't be happy with what he would say. Out of curiosity though, you say you want a statement - what do you want it to state? Factual statements on what exactly? Yes, Not anything long or something that needed media to attend, just a bullet point statement of intent, of reassurance that DS will continue to carry the losses, why the significant increase in losses and to basically let us know that the club will not be in danger of going out of business. I think that the biggest worry, given the charge on the mem , is that DS will call time and sell, when the value of the mem has been used up. I’m not asking for the intricacies but mainly for reassurance.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 17, 2019 10:39:04 GMT
Actually, I believe saying nothing would keep things quieter. If he came out with a statement that wasn't announcing a new site & stadium plans, people will be just as p*ssed off, if not more so as they wouldn't be happy with what he would say. Out of curiosity though, you say you want a statement - what do you want it to state? Factual statements on what exactly? Yes, Not anything long or something that needed media to attend, just a bullet point statement of intent, of reassurance that DS will continue to carry the losses, why the significant increase in losses and to basically let us know that the club will not be in danger of going out of business. I think that the biggest worry, given the charge on the mem , is that DS will call time and sell, when the value of the mem has been used up. I’m not asking for the intricacies but mainly for reassurance. Would that be the same type of Assurances the British Govt gave in their last manifesto about TV licences for the over 75's ?
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Post by tomylil on Jun 17, 2019 10:50:28 GMT
With respect I don't recall him saying anything of the sort - if he was that candid then this would be headline news. I also don't recall anyone reporting him being that blunt at the AGM. He certainly said it in the media. Along the lines of we had an deal and they decided to do something else with their land. Which is their prerogative. I was at the AGM, when Wael was being virtually verbally assaulted regarding the training ground and the stadium his exact words were that UWE reneged on a deal. A deal is generally when two parties each bring something to the table. What exactly did we bring and is it rather more possible that UWE finally woke up to the fact that we didn't have a pot to water in and got bored going round in circles. Also, isn't there a covenant in the land that prevents a freehold sale of any kind ? For as long as further education is a growth industry, UWE don't need us and i'm surprised they allowed discussions to go as far as they did.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 17, 2019 10:52:04 GMT
Yes, Not anything long or something that needed media to attend, just a bullet point statement of intent, of reassurance that DS will continue to carry the losses, why the significant increase in losses and to basically let us know that the club will not be in danger of going out of business. I think that the biggest worry, given the charge on the mem , is that DS will call time and sell, when the value of the mem has been used up. I’m not asking for the intricacies but mainly for reassurance. Would that be the same type of Assurances the British Govt gave in their last manifesto about TV licences for the over 75's ? I’m not getting into that. For the record, I think WAQ wants the best for us but I do worry that his family have a different view. Just my opinion of course.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 17, 2019 10:54:06 GMT
Would that be the same type of Assurances the British Govt gave in their last manifesto about TV licences for the over 75's ? I’m not getting into that. For the record, I think WAQ wants the best for us but I do worry that his family have a different view. Just my opinion of course. Not having a pop about it just that its very easy to make assurances and just as easy to break them For the record i believe Wael will deliver us a new stadium
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Marshy
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Post by Marshy on Jun 17, 2019 10:59:52 GMT
I’m not getting into that. For the record, I think WAQ wants the best for us but I do worry that his family have a different view. Just my opinion of course. Not having a pop about it just that its very easy to make assurances and just as easy to break them For the record i believe Wael will deliver us a new stadium You may well be right Henbury, but the question is will us old bastards be around to see it?
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